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Post by vjaska on Jan 5, 2022 10:20:00 GMT
I've heard that the 156 gets really busy in the peaks by a few members on here, so I don't know whether cutting it back would be a good idea as though not local, there might be quite a good chunk of people using the 156 across Clapham Junction. But am happy to be corrected by locals of the 156. From my experience the Clapham to Wimbledon section can be quite busy in peaks particularly beyond Wandsworth towards Wimbledon. The Clapham to Vauxhall section isn’t as busy, the 344 is far busier on the Nine Elms section. It would be interesting if the 156 was diverted elsewhere, the problem is though everywhere is pretty much covered from Clapham. Perhaps it could be merged with the C3 and become Wimbledon to Earls Court Tesco. The 156 and 219 could swap routes between East Hill and Clapham Junction with the 156 taking over the 219s section on Wandsworth Rise. So it loops into Clapham Junction with the 219 taking the more direct route down St John’s Hill. It would then allow the 436 to be extended to Clapham Junction over the 156s section and take the C3s stand space. It would also add more capacity on part of the 219s route whilst maintaining links in Clapham Junction. I actually think that’s the best C3 extension idea I’ve heard thus far - Battersea Rise would always be a concern due to the ridiculous congestion it faces but it would at least allow the 219 to breathe a bit more in that regard by running via St Johns Hill before being bogged down on Trinity Road
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Post by twobellstogo on Jan 5, 2022 10:30:20 GMT
New bus route N321 Foots Cray Tesco to Trafalgar Square via N21 and 321 N21 Withdrawn This give out new night and give Foot Cray Tesco a night link back to Central London I think the only question is whether to use the number N21 or N321 and the Fri/Sat night service restored on the 132, I don't think the Eltham to Bexleyheath section justifies a 7 day a week night service. What has the borough of Bexley done to deserve losing the N21 through Blackfen/Bexley? Over my many years on the forum, I have noted both this section of N21 and the Erith-Bexleyheath section of the N89 come in for suggestion to be axed on more than one occasion. Aaron1’s idea on the face of it is good, but a 24 hour seven days a week 132 would be needed to avoid a lot of complaints.
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Post by greenboy on Jan 5, 2022 10:48:50 GMT
I think the only question is whether to use the number N21 or N321 and the Fri/Sat night service restored on the 132, I don't think the Eltham to Bexleyheath section justifies a 7 day a week night service. What has the borough of Bexley done to deserve losing the N21 through Blackfen/Bexley? Over my many years on the forum, I have noted both this section of N21 and the Erith-Bexleyheath section of the N89 come in for suggestion to be axed on more than one occasion. Aaron1’s idea on the face of it is good, but a 24 hour seven days a week 132 would be needed to avoid a lot of complaints. I can't understand calls to axe the Erith section of the N89 but the N21 seems to carry little more than fresh air on the Bexleyheath section. If usage justifies a seven day a week night service on the 132 then all well and good but I have my doubts. On the subject of Erith I never understood why the N53 was removed from there.
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Post by M1104 on Jan 5, 2022 10:57:49 GMT
I've heard that the 156 gets really busy in the peaks by a few members on here, so I don't know whether cutting it back would be a good idea as though not local, there might be quite a good chunk of people using the 156 across Clapham Junction. But am happy to be corrected by locals of the 156. From my experience the Clapham to Wimbledon section can be quite busy in peaks particularly beyond Wandsworth towards Wimbledon. The Clapham to Vauxhall section isn’t as busy, the 344 is far busier on the Nine Elms section. It would be interesting if the 156 was diverted elsewhere, the problem is though everywhere is pretty much covered from Clapham. Could be rerouted to Balham High Road via Clapham South.
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Post by abellion on Jan 5, 2022 11:11:58 GMT
I've heard that the 156 gets really busy in the peaks by a few members on here, so I don't know whether cutting it back would be a good idea as though not local, there might be quite a good chunk of people using the 156 across Clapham Junction. But am happy to be corrected by locals of the 156. From my experience the Clapham to Wimbledon section can be quite busy in peaks particularly beyond Wandsworth towards Wimbledon. The Clapham to Vauxhall section isn’t as busy, the 344 is far busier on the Nine Elms section. It would be interesting if the 156 was diverted elsewhere, the problem is though everywhere is pretty much covered from Clapham. Perhaps it could be merged with the C3 and become Wimbledon to Earls Court Tesco. The 156 and 219 could swap routes between East Hill and Clapham Junction with the 156 taking over the 219s section on Wandsworth Rise. So it loops into Clapham Junction with the 219 taking the more direct route down St John’s Hill. It would then allow the 436 to be extended to Clapham Junction over the 156s section and take the C3s stand space. It would also add more capacity on part of the 219s route whilst maintaining links in Clapham Junction. If the 156 merged with the C3 however it would get bad in the peaks when Earl's Court can be quite congested and south of Wandsworth especially from Gap Road to Wimbledon it can be a standstill so it will get quite unreliable. As vjaska said too Battersea Rise is also awful, even though the 219 desperately needs some sort of relief from traffic that would just force the 156/C3 merge to suffer instead.
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Post by southlondon413 on Jan 5, 2022 11:22:00 GMT
From my experience the Clapham to Wimbledon section can be quite busy in peaks particularly beyond Wandsworth towards Wimbledon. The Clapham to Vauxhall section isn’t as busy, the 344 is far busier on the Nine Elms section. It would be interesting if the 156 was diverted elsewhere, the problem is though everywhere is pretty much covered from Clapham. Perhaps it could be merged with the C3 and become Wimbledon to Earls Court Tesco. The 156 and 219 could swap routes between East Hill and Clapham Junction with the 156 taking over the 219s section on Wandsworth Rise. So it loops into Clapham Junction with the 219 taking the more direct route down St John’s Hill. It would then allow the 436 to be extended to Clapham Junction over the 156s section and take the C3s stand space. It would also add more capacity on part of the 219s route whilst maintaining links in Clapham Junction. If the 156 merged with the C3 however it would get bad in the peaks when Earl's Court can be quite congested and south of Wandsworth especially from Gap Road to Wimbledon it can be a standstill so it will get quite unreliable. As vjaska said too Battersea Rise is also awful, even though the 219 desperately needs some sort of relief from traffic that would just force the 156/C3 merge to suffer instead. With the right frequency it could work. Gap Road could benefit from some parking restrictions to solve that problem. A bus lane on most of Merton Road would help recovery times as well. Battersea Rise can be bad but I think it could be workable.
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Post by someone on Jan 5, 2022 13:44:26 GMT
Route 345: curtailed to Clapham Junction and slightly extended to terminate at Clapham Junction Station. The route would then operate between Clapham Junction and Peckham. The Clapham Jct-South Kensington section will be replaced by new route 338, which will operate between South Kensington and Putney. The 345 already serves Clapham Junction Station, the Grant Road entrance to be precise which is the near the bus stop on Falcon Road. If your 338 route is running to Putney via the 37 & 337, then it’s not warranted as the 337 provides the assistance to the 37. Clapham Junction to Wandsworth is well stocked as well. I’d rather the 345 was simply split into two routes - 345 from Clapham Junction to Lewisham via the current route to Peckham and then via whatever route to Lewisham & a 445 from Brixton Station to South Kensington Tbh I was struggling with the 338/445 idea... By the way, which route would it take to get to Brixton? I've thought of a route via Clapham South Station and Brixton Hill.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 5, 2022 14:30:18 GMT
The 345 already serves Clapham Junction Station, the Grant Road entrance to be precise which is the near the bus stop on Falcon Road. If your 338 route is running to Putney via the 37 & 337, then it’s not warranted as the 337 provides the assistance to the 37. Clapham Junction to Wandsworth is well stocked as well. I’d rather the 345 was simply split into two routes - 345 from Clapham Junction to Lewisham via the current route to Peckham and then via whatever route to Lewisham & a 445 from Brixton Station to South Kensington Tbh I was struggling with the 338/445 idea... By the way, which route would it take to get to Brixton? I've thought of a route via Clapham South Station and Brixton Hill. It would be via the 35 with the 35 reduced in frequency to compensate.
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Post by busboy17 on Jan 5, 2022 20:16:28 GMT
Assuming the 345 is extended via the 136/436 LOR to Lewisham, I’d rather the 436 be extended from Battersea Park to Clapham Junction, as it would give Kennington and Oval a direct link there, however it may overbus the Vauxhall to Junction link The 436 extension could be viable if the 156 was cut back to Clapham Junction but stand space might be a problem. Could the 436 run to sun in the sands?
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Post by route53 on Jan 5, 2022 20:21:01 GMT
The 436 extension could be viable if the 156 was cut back to Clapham Junction but stand space might be a problem. Could the 436 run to sun in the sands? Blackheath/Sun In the Sands to Lewisham is covered by several routes already with the 54, 89, 108, 178 covering that corridor roughly
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Post by someone on Jan 6, 2022 9:09:02 GMT
Could the 436 run to sun in the sands? Blackheath/Sun In the Sands to Lewisham is covered by several routes already with the 54, 89, 108, 178 covering that corridor roughly Yes, although I wouldn't count the 54 or 108 due to the fact that they do not serve the Sun in the Sands. The 54 serves the Royal Standard/Vanbrugh Park area and the 108 (as well as the 89) serves the heath itself (and the village), not the Sun in the Sands.
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Post by someone on Jan 6, 2022 9:11:09 GMT
Tbh I was struggling with the 338/445 idea... By the way, which route would it take to get to Brixton? I've thought of a route via Clapham South Station and Brixton Hill. It would be via the 35 with the 35 reduced in frequency to compensate. Oh, ok that route makes sense as well. Perhaps I was over complicating the route, although a direct Clapham Junction-Clapham South service would also be ideal.
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Post by abellion on Jan 6, 2022 11:00:50 GMT
It would be via the 35 with the 35 reduced in frequency to compensate. Oh, ok that route makes sense as well. Perhaps I was over complicating the route, although a direct Clapham Junction-Clapham South service would also be ideal. G1? I doubt it takes much longer than 10 mins to go from Clapham Junction to Clapham South as is. Plus there isn't much in Clapham South other than some shops, seems more likely that people would go to Clapham Common/Tooting/Wandsworth or other nearby areas for things
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Post by someone on Jan 6, 2022 13:13:25 GMT
Oh, ok that route makes sense as well. Perhaps I was over complicating the route, although a direct Clapham Junction-Clapham South service would also be ideal. G1? I doubt it takes much longer than 10 mins to go from Clapham Junction to Clapham South as is. Plus there isn't much in Clapham South other than some shops, seems more likely that people would go to Clapham Common/Tooting/Wandsworth or other nearby areas for things I didn't know about the G1. It's generally a good route idea in my opinion though, although perhaps it could be part of the 35 instead, terminating at Balham instead of Clapham Jct, perhaps with a shortening of the route to Liverpool Street instead of Shoreditch.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jan 6, 2022 16:11:01 GMT
G1? I doubt it takes much longer than 10 mins to go from Clapham Junction to Clapham South as is. Plus there isn't much in Clapham South other than some shops, seems more likely that people would go to Clapham Common/Tooting/Wandsworth or other nearby areas for things I didn't know about the G1. It's generally a good route idea in my opinion though, although perhaps it could be part of the 35 instead, terminating at Balham instead of Clapham Jct, perhaps with a shortening of the route to Liverpool Street instead of Shoreditch. Why would you shorten both ends? Our good friend vjaska has mentioned that the 35 can be extremely busy and I myself wouldn't encourage removing it. Also why would you cut it back to Liverpool Street? There's plenty of leisure, recreational & in person work in Shoreditch as well as it being a nighttime hub. I will say that I'm not local but this really is just drawing lines on maps at this point.
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