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Post by COBO on Sept 10, 2023 21:53:10 GMT
Yes it does because if something happens with either line which often does then the other line goes down. Even though Circle line has the H&c to support it also still has the support from the 205. Tfl aren't a magic money tree! They're not going to create new routes right in the centre of London when there's plenty of bus routes. I don't think that the bus network in central London needs expanding You don’t know what they are going to do because your in the meeting with them so you can’t say want they are going to do. You don’t know what they are going to create. You are not TfL so you can’t answer for them. You do not know what they are going to create. So please stop acting like you are TfL.
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Post by COBO on Sept 10, 2023 21:55:53 GMT
What if the tube goes down? Don’t you need a bus route to help people carry on with their journeys. The whole tube won't go down. There are other alternatives You don’t what’s going to happen. Their are things like tube strikes. If something happens with the Circle line then the other surface lines are affected.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Sept 10, 2023 21:56:30 GMT
What if the tube goes down? Don’t you need a bus route to help people carry on with their journeys. The whole tube won't go down. There are other alternatives In Central London it isn't exactly onerous to walk to another tube station and catch it from there providing it goes in the direction you're heading in.
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Post by COBO on Sept 10, 2023 21:56:34 GMT
We might as well just delete this page because TfL doesn’t have a money.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Sept 10, 2023 21:57:57 GMT
The whole tube won't go down. There are other alternatives You don’t what’s going to happen. Their are things like tube strikes. If something happens with the Circle line then the other surface lines are affected. If there is a Tube strike then TFL would organise extra services like they've done on occasions with the 29 due to it paralleling the Victoria/Piccadilly Lines. I must admit far fewer have been organised compared to pre 2019 but it isn't exactly difficult for them to bolster existing services.
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Post by COBO on Sept 10, 2023 21:58:15 GMT
The whole tube won't go down. There are other alternatives In Central London it isn't exactly onerous to walk to another tube station and catch it from there providing it goes in the direction you're heading in. And what if that other station is affected by line that’s not working what if several stations in an area are affected by lines that aren’t running or having trouble what then.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Sept 10, 2023 21:58:44 GMT
We might as well just delete this page because TfL doesn’t have a money. They clearly have money but not money to parallel profitable ventures they already have such as the London Underground
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Post by WH241 on Sept 10, 2023 22:00:07 GMT
We might as well just delete this page because TfL doesn’t have a money. Are you suggesting that ideas proposed here were ever going to be taken seriously by TfL?
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Post by COBO on Sept 10, 2023 22:00:07 GMT
You don’t what’s going to happen. Their are things like tube strikes. If something happens with the Circle line then the other surface lines are affected. If there is a Tube strike then TFL would organise extra services like they've done on occasions with the 29 due to it paralleling the Victoria/Piccadilly Lines. I must admit far fewer have been organised compared to pre 2019 but it isn't exactly difficult for them to bolster existing services. If you can have several bus routes like the 18, 29, 205, 453 and others that parallel tube lines why can’t you have another.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Sept 10, 2023 22:02:28 GMT
If there is a Tube strike then TFL would organise extra services like they've done on occasions with the 29 due to it paralleling the Victoria/Piccadilly Lines. I must admit far fewer have been organised compared to pre 2019 but it isn't exactly difficult for them to bolster existing services. If you can have several bus routes like the 18, 29, 205, 453 and others that parallel tube lines why can’t you have another. They have existed for quite some time now and I think there will be a question mark hanging over the 453s head once the Bakerloo Line extension starts running to New Cross Gate and Lewisham. They will definitely not be introducing anymore, plus all 4 have seen frequency cuts in recent years. Services such as the 18 have also seen rail improvements in the form of an improved Watford DC service compared to the nightmarish days under Silverlink. There is also now an increased LU frequency between Euston Square and Westbourne Park since the Circle Line was extended to Hammersmith in 2008
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Post by WH241 on Sept 10, 2023 22:03:16 GMT
In Central London it isn't exactly onerous to walk to another tube station and catch it from there providing it goes in the direction you're heading in. And what if that other station is affected by line that’s not working what if several stations in an area are affected by lines that aren’t running or having trouble what then. Central London manages fine most of the time even when there are strikes because of the changes of how people work now. Don’t forget the Elizabeth Line has also taken pressure off other lines. TfL can’t be wasting money based on what if’s.
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Post by COBO on Sept 10, 2023 22:03:18 GMT
We might as well just delete this page because TfL doesn’t have a money. Are you suggesting that ideas proposed here were ever going to be taken seriously by TfL? I’m just saying that what’s the point in this page and post ideas since TfL doesn’t have any money. Since TfL doesn’t have any money we might as well delete this page because TfL doesn’t have any money and our ideas are pointless. Because TfL doesn’t have the money to fund them.
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Post by COBO on Sept 10, 2023 22:08:54 GMT
Yes TfL don’t have any money but there’s no harm in providing ideas. You can’t really say what will or won’t do because you aren’t TfL you have no idea what TfL are planning to do. You aren’t in the office with them when they are doing their plans.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 10, 2023 22:11:47 GMT
Are you suggesting that ideas proposed here were ever going to be taken seriously by TfL? I’m just saying that what’s the point in this page and post ideas since TfL doesn’t have any money. Since TfL doesn’t have any money we might as well delete this page because TfL doesn’t have any money and our ideas are pointless. Because TfL doesn’t have the money to fund them. I think that’s being a bit over dramatic. The thread was designed for ideas that are somewhat logical and not because there is money or not. Whilst running parallel partly to railway lines is perfectly acceptable, it’s not logical to expect that everywhere
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Post by LondonNorthern on Sept 10, 2023 22:13:54 GMT
Yes TfL don’t have any money but there’s no harm in providing ideas. You can’t really say what will or won’t do because you aren’t TfL you have no idea what TfL are planning to do. You aren’t in the office with them when they are doing their plans. I heavily doubt many suggestions on this forum have ever been implemented into TFLs planning however I think its more common sense to recognise TFL will not be sporadically introducing routes that parallel what is a highly profitable venture for them.
A lot of your posts seem to make it out as if large swathes of people would use these services? Really? Just as an example but good riddance to needing to use the 260 and 266 once the West London Orbital opens. You seriously underestimate how many people, if a rail alternative is provided, will switch to that, including bus enthusiasts like myself. Tramlink and the London Overground both echo this
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