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Post by ucm131 on Jan 3, 2024 17:59:04 GMT
”As for the 111 it was proposed in 2003 to switch it with the 110 which might have found a few end to end Twickenham to Heathrow passengers who knows.“
I'm actually interested to hear about this swap with 110 - Do you mind telling me more details as most likely this can't be found online. I think I can get a new idea or 2 after hearing this!
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 3, 2024 19:00:34 GMT
”As for the 111 it was proposed in 2003 to switch it with the 110 which might have found a few end to end Twickenham to Heathrow passengers who knows.“ I'm actually interested to hear about this swap with 110 - Do you mind telling me more details as most likely this can't be found online. I think I can get a new idea or 2 after hearing this! It was on the old 110 routeing that was Twickenham Station via Powder Mill Lane to Hounslow Bus station taking off peak 27 mins. Id imagine it was simply going to be a swap with the 111 becoming Hounslow bus station to Kingston. I think the 110 was still seeing the odd DD by 2003 so would have had to have a full DD conversion for it to work.
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Post by ucm131 on Jan 4, 2024 4:16:54 GMT
So I can assume that its like 110: Twickenham - Heathrow (Via Whitton, Hanworth, Hounslow, Heston, Cranford and Harlington) And 111 becomes Kingston-Hounslow?
I would see the process not going through because of the 111 not linking to the Piccadilly line anymore.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 4, 2024 9:18:11 GMT
So I can assume that its like 110: Twickenham - Heathrow (Via Whitton, Hanworth, Hounslow, Heston, Cranford and Harlington) And 111 becomes Kingston-Hounslow? I would see the process not going through because of the 111 not linking to the Piccadilly line anymore. Yes and in those days particularly before the hopper fare TFL were a bit more respectful or maintaining links. Similar it how a proposal to restructure the 25 in 2003/04 would have resulted in over 1000 broken links and therefore didn't go ahead.
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Post by gwiwer on Jan 4, 2024 17:33:36 GMT
The 111 fulfils many needs and offers both local trips along its length and longer journeys if slightly indirect for some who might prefer not to go to Hounslow via Cranford.
If it were to be split then I would consider Heathrow - Hanworth and Hounslow - Kingston but there may be no suitable turn or stand these days at Hampton. The Brown Bear is no longer available IIRC. This at least would give an overlap without over-bussing the tricky section through Nurserylands where buses meeting each other can cause problems.
Another option would be Heathrow to Hampton, one way via Green Lane, Oak Avenue and Broad Lane (R70 LOR) but omitting Fearnley Crescent then back via the current LOR and the other section Kingston to Hounslow on current LOR.
Two other routes would still offer Kingston / Teddington - Heathrow direct trips namely the 285 and SL7
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Post by COBO on Jan 6, 2024 5:19:23 GMT
N271: extended from Moorgate to London Bridge via route 21. To link the N271 with the N21.
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Post by ucm131 on Jan 7, 2024 3:58:42 GMT
I think a completely new route with unique parts will be better than changing the 111 will Benefit more passengers if the Harrow Extension of the 120 happens.
New 391: Kingston (Cromwell Road) to Southall Station, Single Deckers, Headway Frequency of 30 Minutes (As of now), From 6am-8pm.
Kingston Lower Teddington Road (If the Train bridge is too low for single deckers then I will Adjust the route) for Broom Road, Teddington School and St John the Baptist C of E School and Shell Sports Ground. Teddington A313 (Same Stops as the 281) Turns into Waldegrave Road to St Mary's University (Twickenham Campus) with the same stops as the 33 Turns into Waldegrave Gardens and Wellesey Road for Strawberry Hill Station (First bus route to serve the station Directly), then into Fifth Cross Road Connects to 490 at A305, and Hospital Bridge Road Whitton Station With the 110 and H22, Directly straight ahead with the 281 into Hounslow Station Copies the 111 Until New Heston Road, Then Follows the 120 into Southall.
Currently, only 681 serves the area of lower Teddington road (Because the 681 uses double deckers the route will not be withdrawn), and it would be nice for more bus services rather than walking out to a main street occasionally (However, this only works given if the train bridge near hampton wick can fit single deckers). Connects St Mary University towards more nearby towns and Major Shopping Malls such as Kingston and Hounslow, Wellesley road and Strawberry Hill gets a much more convenient bus service, as well as other bus routes into different streets. It also supports the 281 from Hounslow station to the main heart of Hounslow as well as connecting into the piccadilly line. While an exact length demand from Southall to Kingston may not be high, certain parts of Whitton and the South of Hounslow may benefit from the extra extension as well as connecting to St. Mary University more conveniently aside from the 33, whilst also supporting the 120 given if my original proposal of extending the 120 from Northolt to Harrow Via Roxeth Hill Occurs, The frequency of the bus is 30 minutes but may extend depending on demand.
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Jan 7, 2024 9:10:24 GMT
I think a completely new route with unique parts will be better than changing the 111 will Benefit more passengers if the Harrow Extension of the 120 happens. New 391: Kingston (Cromwell Road) to Southall Station, Single Deckers, Headway Frequency of 30 Minutes (As of now), From 6am-8pm. Kingston Lower Teddington Road (If the Train bridge is too low for single deckers then I will Adjust the route) for Broom Road, Teddington School and St John the Baptist C of E School and Shell Sports Ground. Teddington A313 (Same Stops as the 281) Turns into Waldegrave Road to St Mary's University (Twickenham Campus) with the same stops as the 33 Turns into Waldegrave Gardens and Wellesey Road for Strawberry Hill Station (First bus route to serve the station Directly), then into Fifth Cross Road Connects to 490 at A305, and Hospital Bridge Road Whitton Station With the 110 and H22, Directly straight ahead with the 281 into Hounslow Station Copies the 111 Until New Heston Road, Then Follows the 120 into Southall. Currently, only 681 serves the area of lower Teddington road (Because the 681 uses double deckers the route will not be withdrawn), and it would be nice for more bus services rather than walking out to a main street occasionally (However, this only works given if the train bridge near hampton wick can fit single deckers). Connects St Mary University towards more nearby towns and Major Shopping Malls such as Kingston and Hounslow, Wellesley road and Strawberry Hill gets a much more convenient bus service, as well as other bus routes into different streets. It also supports the 281 from Hounslow station to the main heart of Hounslow as well as connecting into the piccadilly line. While an exact length demand from Southall to Kingston may not be high, certain parts of Whitton and the South of Hounslow may benefit from the extra extension as well as connecting to St. Mary University more conveniently aside from the 33, whilst also supporting the 120 given if my original proposal of extending the 120 from Northolt to Harrow Via Roxeth Hill Occurs, The frequency of the bus is 30 minutes but may extend depending on demand. I think this is a fairly good idea, but a few (mostly minor) tweaks would need to take place. The train bridge at Lower Teddington Road is fine but the road itself, alongside Broom Road, is quite narrow. I doubt that, along any of it, two single deckers could pass one another. Likewise I don't think that there are many places suitable to install a bus stop. The same would go for Waldegrave Gardens, Strawberry Hill Road would be more appropriate but this would miss out the main objective of St Mary's University. Tower Road would then probably be the optimal choice. I'm not sure how wise it is to send a route over the level crossing at Strawberry Hill, and I would also have the route use Fourth Cross Road as opposed to Fifth in one direction. North of Fifth Cross Road the route is great. Additionally, I would recommend using a different number to 391, as any reuse of that number in that area is likely to cause confusion. If I were to implement a vaguely similar idea, I would number it 351 and run it via route 281/285 from Kingston to Teddington Lock, Twickenham Road, Waldegrave Park, route 33 to Twickenham, route H22 to Whitton then as per your original routeing. I know it's quite different to your plan, but I'd imagine that it maintains close to all the links provided by your 391. I'm just not sure Broom Road nor Strawberry Hill are suitable for bus services. For Broom Road, I would use it towards Kingston only.
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Post by aaron1 on Jan 7, 2024 9:55:06 GMT
A new night route or an extended N97 to Heathrow T4 it would go via N9 to Chiswick High Road then via 70 and 440 to Acton Town then via N11 then via E2 down Windmill Road then via 482 to T4 reason it would be a night bus for the Piccadilly line and go place where N9 don't go and would help N9 to.
Start/End Trafalgar Square to Heathrow T4
every 15 minutes
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Post by sdaniel on Jan 7, 2024 12:12:40 GMT
Extension Ideas: W7 extended to North Finchley (via Colney Hatch Lane, North Circular Road and Finchley High Road) 251 extended to Palmers Green (via Wilmer Way, Aldermans Hill and Green Lanes) 460 extended to Barnet Church (to enable 1 direct bus from Golders Green to Barnet and give space to W7 at North Finchley)
What do you guys think?
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Post by ADH45258 on Jan 7, 2024 14:55:42 GMT
Extension Ideas: W7 extended to North Finchley (via Colney Hatch Lane, North Circular Road and Finchley High Road) 251 extended to Palmers Green (via Wilmer Way, Aldermans Hill and Green Lanes) 460 extended to Barnet Church (to enable 1 direct bus from Golders Green to Barnet and give space to W7 at North Finchley) What do you guys think? Extending the 460 to Barnet has often been suggested before, but the main issue is that there would be excess capacity between North Finchley and Barnet. One possible solution could be to split the 263, overlapping between North Finchley and Archway, and adjusting frequencies accordingly. The southern end, from North Finchley to Highbury Barn, could re-use the 271 number, and the 263 as Barnet-Archway, perhaps with the 234 also cut back again to Highgate Wood or East Finchley? The W7 idea could work, but only if also restructuring the rest of the corridor along Colney Hatch Lane, for example: 43 Muswell Hill - London Bridge 134 Friern Barnet - Warren Street W7 North Finchley - Finsbury Park
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Post by vjaska on Jan 7, 2024 15:26:38 GMT
Extension Ideas: W7 extended to North Finchley (via Colney Hatch Lane, North Circular Road and Finchley High Road) 251 extended to Palmers Green (via Wilmer Way, Aldermans Hill and Green Lanes) 460 extended to Barnet Church (to enable 1 direct bus from Golders Green to Barnet and give space to W7 at North Finchley) What do you guys think? I don’t think the W7 is the correct route to extend - its purpose is as a high frequency connection along the Muswell Hill to Finsbury Park and it really performs well in this role. The frequent 134 already links Muswell Hill & North Finchley as well.
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Post by sdaniel on Jan 7, 2024 15:29:50 GMT
Extension Ideas: W7 extended to North Finchley (via Colney Hatch Lane, North Circular Road and Finchley High Road) 251 extended to Palmers Green (via Wilmer Way, Aldermans Hill and Green Lanes) 460 extended to Barnet Church (to enable 1 direct bus from Golders Green to Barnet and give space to W7 at North Finchley) What do you guys think? Extending the 460 to Barnet has often been suggested before, but the main issue is that there would be excess capacity between North Finchley and Barnet. One possible solution could be to split the 263, overlapping between North Finchley and Archway, and adjusting frequencies accordingly. The southern end, from North Finchley to Highbury Barn, could re-use the 271 number, and the 263 as Barnet-Archway, perhaps with the 234 also cut back again to Highgate Wood or East Finchley? The W7 idea could work, but only if also restructuring the rest of the corridor along Colney Hatch Lane, for example: 43 Muswell Hill - London Bridge 134 Friern Barnet - Warren Street W7 North Finchley - Finsbury Park If the 134 is cut back to Friern Barnet then the 221 will be the only bus that goes through Woodhouse Road and it might struggle during school hours due to capacity at Woodhouse College. What I meant was if W7 went through a different way to North Finchley following bus 232 through North Circular Road, Coppetts Close, Finchley High Road, Squires Lane, Leisure Way, Granville Road, Christchurch Avenue then North Finchley. I certainly agree with you about the 234’s cutback because its extension to Archway is meaningless.
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Post by gwiwer on Jan 7, 2024 17:14:18 GMT
An area I know very well.
There is adequate clearance under the middle of the railway bridge - just - but the road is narrow and prone to severe congestion as traffic finds itself unable to get out onto Hampton Wick roundabout. Buses cannot pass; there are short sections where cars cannot pass each other due to restricted width. One reason only the 681 serves that section is because it is unsuitable for buses at the Hampton Wick end. Also because the turns at Teddington Lock are extremely tight and cause buses a problem. Teddington Lock also gets parked up at weekends and on any good summer days making further difficulties for large vehicles.
Waldegrave Gardens, Strawberry Hill Road and the entire Strawberry Hill village area, which is where I lived for some years, are too small for buses. Even rail replacement buses cannot access the station and have to stop at St. Mary's University. That is inconvenient and it places all of Strawberry Hill Village well over the TfL 400m target from the nearest bus stop but it's only a target and not intended to be met 100%. Those roads are all too narrow, have permitted parking both sides (because there is nowhere else for anyone to park) and anything larger than a car has difficulty getting through. There is nowhere to pass an oncoming vehicle. n addition to which the large and protected "significant" trees which form an integral part of the landscape are too low and overhang too far for buses to pass.
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Post by sdaniel on Jan 8, 2024 11:00:24 GMT
Guys, would it make sense if….. Bus route 144 extended to Lee Valley Leisure Complex (to enable a direct bus from Bounces Road to Silver Street Station for more interchanges, more notably the SL1 and maybe the 34)
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