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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 18, 2024 17:57:57 GMT
Since the 29 has faced a severe curtailment due to roadworks is it possible to make a temporary route numbered 729 (similar to the 728 when Wandsworth Bridge was closed). I would have this route run between Trafalgar Square & Camden Town, running via the current 24’s routing between both places. Would stand on Hawley Road in Camden & the current 29 terminus in Trafalgar Square. I don’t think there would be enough passengers from both the 29 & 176 curtailments to displace onto the 24, especially since the 29 is one of the busiest routes in London, hence why I have proposed this temporary route. The 24 would still continue to link Camden Town and TSQ plus most people would probably just walk the last 3 or 4 stops down Charing Cross Road. |
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Post by gwiwer on Jan 18, 2024 17:58:42 GMT
I suspect many regular users of the 29 are well and truly ****ed off by now at the number of times their bus turns short of destination. It really should be within the bounds of possibility to send the 29 through to Trafalgar Square even during diversions. Hopping off and waiting for a 24 isn't ideal, there isn't always one close behind, it can be full when it turns up and sometimes two or three 29s all disgorge at Warren Street before anything comes along going beyond.
It is also not always apparent at Trafalgar Square and stops up to the Euston Road that no 29 service is operating which leaves people waiting ages (currently in the cold too) and getting angry at which ever driver finally does arrive on the 24 or something else.
This really is no way to run a public transport operation.
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Post by greenboy on Jan 18, 2024 18:05:32 GMT
Since the 29 has faced a severe curtailment due to roadworks is it possible to make a temporary route numbered 729 (similar to the 728 when Wandsworth Bridge was closed). I would have this route run between Trafalgar Square & Camden Town, running via the current 24’s routing between both places. Would stand on Hawley Road in Camden & the current 29 terminus in Trafalgar Square. I don’t think there would be enough passengers from both the 29 & 176 curtailments to displace onto the 24, especially since the 29 is one of the busiest routes in London, hence why I have proposed this temporary route. It would be simpler to run them as short workings on the 24 although I don't think they could be justified. |
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Post by bk10mfe on Jan 18, 2024 18:28:13 GMT
I suspect many regular users of the 29 are well and truly ****ed off by now at the number of times their bus turns short of destination. It really should be within the bounds of possibility to send the 29 through to Trafalgar Square even during diversions. Hopping off and waiting for a 24 isn't ideal, there isn't always one close behind, it can be full when it turns up and sometimes two or three 29s all disgorge at Warren Street before anything comes along going beyond. It is also not always apparent at Trafalgar Square and stops up to the Euston Road that no 29 service is operating which leaves people waiting ages (currently in the cold too) and getting angry at which ever driver finally does arrive on the 24 or something else. This really is no way to run a public transport operation. I did think about that too, my concern is that traffic in Piccadilly Circus can be really really slow, which may affect the 29’s reliability, hence why I proposed to make a temporary 729 to not mess with the 29’s reliability & relieve the 24 of having completely full buses of passengers displaced by the 29. |
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Post by WH241 on Jan 18, 2024 18:38:40 GMT
Since the 29 has faced a severe curtailment due to roadworks is it possible to make a temporary route numbered 729 (similar to the 728 when Wandsworth Bridge was closed). I would have this route run between Trafalgar Square & Camden Town, running via the current 24’s routing between both places. Would stand on Hawley Road in Camden & the current 29 terminus in Trafalgar Square. I don’t think there would be enough passengers from both the 29 & 176 curtailments to displace onto the 24, especially since the 29 is one of the busiest routes in London, hence why I have proposed this temporary route. The 24 would still continue to link Camden Town and TSQ plus most people would probably just walk the last 3 or 4 stops down Charing Cross Road. I was just thinking the same! That section can be painfully slow and often quicker to walk. I know it’s not ideal but if an alternative bus route is available it’s not a major issue. I just hope the 29 has somewhere to stand as at the weekend they seemed to struggle when cut back because of a demo. |
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Post by bk10mfe on Jan 18, 2024 18:40:36 GMT
The 24 would still continue to link Camden Town and TSQ plus most people would probably just walk the last 3 or 4 stops down Charing Cross Road. I was just thinking the same! That section can be painfully slow and often quicker to walk. I know it’s not ideal but if an alternative bus route is available it’s not a major issue. I just hope the 29 has somewhere to stand as at the weekend they seemed to struggle when cut back because of a demo. I believe the 29 is using the 176’s stand, since that has also been cut back to Aldwych. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Jan 18, 2024 18:55:24 GMT
I suspect many regular users of the 29 are well and truly ****ed off by now at the number of times their bus turns short of destination. It really should be within the bounds of possibility to send the 29 through to Trafalgar Square even during diversions. Hopping off and waiting for a 24 isn't ideal, there isn't always one close behind, it can be full when it turns up and sometimes two or three 29s all disgorge at Warren Street before anything comes along going beyond. It is also not always apparent at Trafalgar Square and stops up to the Euston Road that no 29 service is operating which leaves people waiting ages (currently in the cold too) and getting angry at which ever driver finally does arrive on the 24 or something else. This really is no way to run a public transport operation. I did think about that too, my concern is that traffic in Piccadilly Circus can be really really slow, which may affect the 29’s reliability, hence why I proposed to make a temporary 729 to not mess with the 29’s reliability & relieve the 24 of having completely full buses of passengers displaced by the 29. I agree they could better publicise when routes are amended like this, but I'm not sure the 24 will be as busy as you say, if passengers are aware the 29 is curtailed. Instead, many will likely walk from Tottenham Court Road, use tube, or other bus routes like the 88 or 91. On a separate note though, I wonder if the 24 should be increased in frequency again if it's well used, including to relieve the 29 when it's running the full service to Trafalgar Square? |
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Post by bk10mfe on Jan 18, 2024 19:25:48 GMT
I did think about that too, my concern is that traffic in Piccadilly Circus can be really really slow, which may affect the 29’s reliability, hence why I proposed to make a temporary 729 to not mess with the 29’s reliability & relieve the 24 of having completely full buses of passengers displaced by the 29. I agree they could better publicise when routes are amended like this, but I'm not sure the 24 will be as busy as you say, if passengers are aware the 29 is curtailed. Instead, many will likely walk from Tottenham Court Road, use tube, or other bus routes like the 88 or 91. On a separate note though, I wonder if the 24 should be increased in frequency again if it's well used, including to relieve the 29 when it's running the full service to Trafalgar Square? I do think the 24 should have a frequency increase but where would you get the increased frequency buses from? |
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Post by vjaska on Jan 18, 2024 22:35:19 GMT
I agree they could better publicise when routes are amended like this, but I'm not sure the 24 will be as busy as you say, if passengers are aware the 29 is curtailed. Instead, many will likely walk from Tottenham Court Road, use tube, or other bus routes like the 88 or 91. On a separate note though, I wonder if the 24 should be increased in frequency again if it's well used, including to relieve the 29 when it's running the full service to Trafalgar Square? I do think the 24 should have a frequency increase but where would you get the increased frequency buses from? There are spare LT's across the operators |
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Post by sdaniel on Jan 19, 2024 0:11:35 GMT
New Proposed bus H1 (Highgate Village - Finchley Central, Church End) and It will serve:
Hampstead Lane
The Bishops Avenue
Lyttelton Road
Falloden Way
Henley’s Corner
It should have the same service as H3
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Post by matthieu1221 on Jan 19, 2024 1:31:43 GMT
Since the 29 has faced a severe curtailment due to roadworks is it possible to make a temporary route numbered 729 (similar to the 728 when Wandsworth Bridge was closed). I would have this route run between Trafalgar Square & Camden Town, running via the current 24’s routing between both places. Would stand on Hawley Road in Camden & the current 29 terminus in Trafalgar Square. I don’t think there would be enough passengers from both the 29 & 176 curtailments to displace onto the 24, especially since the 29 is one of the busiest routes in London, hence why I have proposed this temporary route. It would be simpler to run them as short workings on the 24 although I don't think they could be justified. If passengers loadings were at the level they were in November-December I'd agree with the need for a frequency boost. But at the moment everything is very quiet with it being the off-season tourism-wise which has freed up a fair bit of space on the 24 (I've been one of the less than 5 passengers on the upper deck on several occasions in the past two weeks down TCR/Trafalgar Square/Whitehall) and even the 29 is relatively quieter between peaks at the moment. Even evening peak in general has been quieter. I really do wonder where everyone has gone.
I still do think that the 24 should overall get a permanent increase despite the unevenness in demand largely linked to tourism peaks and lulls.
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Post by matthieu1221 on Jan 19, 2024 1:35:03 GMT
I did think about that too, my concern is that traffic in Piccadilly Circus can be really really slow, which may affect the 29’s reliability, hence why I proposed to make a temporary 729 to not mess with the 29’s reliability & relieve the 24 of having completely full buses of passengers displaced by the 29. I agree they could better publicise when routes are amended like this, but I'm not sure the 24 will be as busy as you say, if passengers are aware the 29 is curtailed. Instead, many will likely walk from Tottenham Court Road, use tube, or other bus routes like the 88 or 91. On a separate note though, I wonder if the 24 should be increased in frequency again if it's well used, including to relieve the 29 when it's running the full service to Trafalgar Square? To TfL's credit they did publish instructions on which buses to substitute (24 for the 29 and 188 for the 176) on the bus changes page, but not bus status though which would've been useful considering that info also goes onto the TfL Go app. Passengers do largely seem aware though. I've been on 24s which have scooped up about a dozen or so people from 29s just ahead terminating at TCR. |
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Post by greenboy on Jan 19, 2024 7:42:36 GMT
It would be simpler to run them as short workings on the 24 although I don't think they could be justified. If passengers loadings were at the level they were in November-December I'd agree with the need for a frequency boost. But at the moment everything is very quiet with it being the off-season tourism-wise which has freed up a fair bit of space on the 24 (I've been one of the less than 5 passengers on the upper deck on several occasions in the past two weeks down TCR/Trafalgar Square/Whitehall) and even the 29 is relatively quieter between peaks at the moment. Even evening peak in general has been quieter. I really do wonder where everyone has gone.
I still do think that the 24 should overall get a permanent increase despite the unevenness in demand largely linked to tourism peaks and lulls.
These short workings would be a bit excessive and I don't think there's much option other than to curtail the 29 at Tottenham Court Road for the duration of the roadworks. I think there's more of a case to keep the 176 going to TCR diverted via Holborn in the northbound direction. |
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Post by bk10mfe on Jan 19, 2024 9:38:57 GMT
If passengers loadings were at the level they were in November-December I'd agree with the need for a frequency boost. But at the moment everything is very quiet with it being the off-season tourism-wise which has freed up a fair bit of space on the 24 (I've been one of the less than 5 passengers on the upper deck on several occasions in the past two weeks down TCR/Trafalgar Square/Whitehall) and even the 29 is relatively quieter between peaks at the moment. Even evening peak in general has been quieter. I really do wonder where everyone has gone.
I still do think that the 24 should overall get a permanent increase despite the unevenness in demand largely linked to tourism peaks and lulls.
These short workings would be a bit excessive and I don't think there's much option other than to curtail the 29 at Tottenham Court Road for the duration of the roadworks. I think there's more of a case to keep the 176 going to TCR diverted via Holborn in the northbound direction. I don’t think there’s any free stand space in TCR unfortunately. There is however unused stand space in Russell Square since the 188 was removed from there. |
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Post by matthieu1221 on Jan 19, 2024 14:25:15 GMT
As a bit of a good example to show how demand is quite low in the tourism low season, due to the controller strikes there is a massive gap in the 24 service with nothing between St James’s Park Station and Mornington Crescent followed by 4 buses and even the first bus, whilst busier than anything I’ve been on these past two weeks, still had a good amount of empty seats upstairs.
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