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Post by bk10mfe on Feb 10, 2024 11:44:43 GMT
Could it be viable to have the 117 & 235 swap termini to enable the 117 to become decked? You could have the 117 terminate at County Court as the Great West Quarter isn't well used anyway. There’s absolutely no way the bus service to Great West Quarter will be withdrawn, the reasons why have been discussed on other threads. The section between the County Court and Great West Quarter gets a reasonable following and has its purpose, it also relieves the 237 which could not cope on its own at this point. Could DD’s go into the Brentford Quarter. I remember there were complaints about vehicles making too much noise there but that wouldn’t be an issue if electric DD’s went on the 117.
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Post by Dad91 on Feb 10, 2024 12:14:09 GMT
There’s absolutely no way the bus service to Great West Quarter will be withdrawn, the reasons why have been discussed on other threads. The section between the County Court and Great West Quarter gets a reasonable following and has its purpose, it also relieves the 237 which could not cope on its own at this point. Could DD’s go into the Brentford Quarter. I remember there were complaints about vehicles making too much noise there but that wouldn’t be an issue if electric DD’s went on the 117. Brentford Quarter can't be decker. Land Owners complaing dont want 235 on there land anymore.
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Post by Dad91 on Feb 10, 2024 12:16:45 GMT
TFL and council need come plan create new Stand Brentford Great west Road. I do See 65s parking onto the kerb by railway bridge few weeks ago 195 was on diversion using great west road same Spot railway bridge.
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Post by ADH45258 on Feb 10, 2024 12:58:56 GMT
Could DD’s go into the Brentford Quarter. I remember there were complaints about vehicles making too much noise there but that wouldn’t be an issue if electric DD’s went on the 117. Brentford Quarter can't be decker. Land Owners complaing dont want 235 on there land anymore. Perhaps the 235 could extend slightly further to the east, turning onto the Great West Road and continuing until suitable to stand and turn around? I think there may be some more redevelopments near Kew Bridge Station too which could be served? And the North Brentford Quarter would still be served by stops close enough, using stop BT eastbound (on Ealing Road), and stop BB westbound (on the A4). This would then allow DDs to be used. However, there are still resident objections in Sunbury Village preventing DDs on the 235 as well. So my suggestion would be to divert the 235 to West Middlesex Hospital instead, providing a more frequent service than the current 117. Then divert the 117 up to Osterley Tesco, offering a more direct Hounslow-Osterley link than the current H28. And introduce a new DD route from Brentford to Hounslow, and continuing further west somewhere.
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Post by evergreenadam on Feb 10, 2024 13:14:24 GMT
Brentford Quarter can't be decker. Land Owners complaing dont want 235 on there land anymore. Perhaps the 235 could extend slightly further to the east, turning onto the Great West Road and continuing until suitable to stand and turn around? I think there may be some more redevelopments near Kew Bridge Station too which could be served? And the North Brentford Quarter would still be served by stops close enough, using stop BT eastbound (on Ealing Road), and stop BB westbound (on the A4). This would then allow DDs to be used. However, there are still resident objections in Sunbury Village preventing DDs on the 235 as well. So my suggestion would be to divert the 235 to West Middlesex Hospital instead, providing a more frequent service than the current 117. Then divert the 117 up to Osterley Tesco, offering a more direct Hounslow-Osterley link than the current H28. And introduce a new DD route from Brentford to Hounslow, and continuing further west somewhere. The problem would be a lack of stand space, at present there is none further east along the Great West Road, though if a new station on the proposed West London orbital Overground line opens at Lionel Road then it would make sense for the 235 to be extended to terminate outside the proposed station entrance where the Brentford Fountain is proposed to be relocated from the Western International Market as part of the SEGA site redevelopment proposal. Not sure whether TfL/LB of Hounslow are alert to the potential or whether the developer would provide the necessary room. It would be good if there was also room for a bus stop so that the H91 could pull off the Great West Road to serve the station entrance. At present there is a long gap in westbound bus stops between Vantage West and Clayponds Lane, which would need to be filled to cope with the 1,000 residential units proposed on the SEGA site. Not sure there will enough room on the stand at Osterley Tesco for the 117, given the impending arrival of the E1 and 618. But I would certainly support a more frequent service between Hounslow town centre and West Middlesex Hospital than the 117 currently provides. Planning permission has recently been granted for the redevelopment of Osterley Tesco, which I believe will include a bus stand but no idea of what capacity it will have.
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Post by ucm131 on Feb 10, 2024 13:24:22 GMT
unfortunately the society lives in a very NIMBY perspective. Even tfl proposals that are sensible to us can be banned. one particular example was making 128 more direct in Romford but got banned. NIMBYs are the reason why Hail and Ride consultations causes backlashes to local citizens because they cant board the bus in front of their house.
However, 235 double decking could be possible if it isnt terminating inside the GWQ (early curtailment to the stop before would grant the potentiality for DDs similar to DD 232 school journeys terminating at brent park rather than st. rapheals.
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Post by ADH45258 on Feb 10, 2024 15:53:15 GMT
Ideas for the Hampstead area:
334 - New route from Finchley Road to Wood Green (Haringey Heartlands), via the C11 to Belsize Park, 268 to Hampstead, 603 to Highgate Wood, then Woodside Avenue, Muswell Hill Broadway, Muswell Hill, Alexandra Palace Way and the W3 to Wood Green. Using SDs about every 20 minutes. Creating an all-day route along the 603's corridor, plus other new links such as between Muswell Hill and Alexandra Palace.
C11 - Diverted between Swiss Cottage and Hampstead Heath via the 46, providing a local link between West Hampstead and Hampstead Village.
268 - Cut back to Swiss Cottage, and instead extended to Paddington via the 46. Frequency increased to every 12 minutes.
46 - Withdrawn between Paddington and Hampstead Heath (Southampton Road), and instead extended to Highgate Village, via the C11 to Parliament Hill then the 214.
214 - Restructured to operate between Camden Town and Mile End, as per TFL's previous 205 proposal. Using DDs every 10 minutes.
205 - Withdrawn between Bow and Old Street, and instead extended to Ash Grove via the 55. Creating new links from Kings Cross and Angel to Hoxton and Cambridge Heath.
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Post by sdaniel on Feb 10, 2024 16:32:46 GMT
Ideas for the Hampstead area: 334 - New route from Finchley Road to Wood Green (Haringey Heartlands), via the C11 to Belsize Park, 268 to Hampstead, 603 to Highgate Wood, then Woodside Avenue, Muswell Hill Broadway, Muswell Hill, Alexandra Palace Way and the W3 to Wood Green. Using SDs about every 20 minutes. Creating an all-day route along the 603's corridor, plus other new links such as between Muswell Hill and Alexandra Palace. C11 - Diverted between Swiss Cottage and Hampstead Heath via the 46, providing a local link between West Hampstead and Hampstead Village. 268 - Cut back to Swiss Cottage, and instead extended to Paddington via the 46. Frequency increased to every 12 minutes. 46 - Withdrawn between Paddington and Hampstead Heath (Southampton Road), and instead extended to Highgate Village, via the C11 to Parliament Hill then the 214. 214 - Restructured to operate between Camden Town and Mile End, as per TFL's previous 205 proposal. Using DDs every 10 minutes. 205 - Withdrawn between Bow and Old Street, and instead extended to Ash Grove via the 55. Creating new links from Kings Cross and Angel to Hoxton and Cambridge Heath. There was already a proposal for 334 to go from Islington Angel to Edmonton Green, somebody suggested from here. Instead of the new route going from Finchley Road to Wood Green. Somebody suggested that 299 should be extended to Hampstead, Swiss Cottage or Finchley Road but curtailed to Southgate which is actually a better option. People wanting to go to Wood Green from Swiss Cottage could just take 31 to Camden Town then the 29 or change at Muswell Hill for the 144. Also, I wouldn’t suggest changing the C11. It’s doing well as it is now.
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Post by londonbuses on Feb 10, 2024 17:08:29 GMT
437 Colliers Wood to Banstead (3bph SD)
Routing - 470 from Colliers Wood to Morden, London Road, Aberconway Road (both directions), 157/164 to Rosehill Roundabout, Reigate Avenue, Oldfields Road, St Dunstans Hill, Lumley Road, Malden Road, Cheam Broadway, 470 to Northey Avenue, Belmont Rise, Brighton Road, Bolters Lane, Banstead High Street.
Frequency - 3bph Bus Type - 10.8m Single Deckers Road modifications needed - New bus stops installed all the way along the A217 Reigate Avenue/Oldfields Road/St Dunstans Hill/Belmont Rise. The left turn from Lumley Road to Malden Road needs to be widened over the corner of the Esso petrol station. New stand installed for one bus behind the stop Banstead/the Woolpack.
Changes to other routes - 470 withdrawn between Morden and Colliers Wood.
The route provides a bus service along the A217 between Rosehill Roundabout and Cheam, a glaringly obvious missing link in my opinion. I'm not entirely sure about the southern section of the route to Banstead, but I can see the Morden to Cheam section being very popular.
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Post by Dad91 on Feb 10, 2024 17:23:06 GMT
Perhaps the 235 could extend slightly further to the east, turning onto the Great West Road and continuing until suitable to stand and turn around? I think there may be some more redevelopments near Kew Bridge Station too which could be served? And the North Brentford Quarter would still be served by stops close enough, using stop BT eastbound (on Ealing Road), and stop BB westbound (on the A4). This would then allow DDs to be used. However, there are still resident objections in Sunbury Village preventing DDs on the 235 as well. So my suggestion would be to divert the 235 to West Middlesex Hospital instead, providing a more frequent service than the current 117. Then divert the 117 up to Osterley Tesco, offering a more direct Hounslow-Osterley link than the current H28. And introduce a new DD route from Brentford to Hounslow, and continuing further west somewhere. The problem would be a lack of stand space, at present there is none further east along the Great West Road, though if a new station on the proposed West London orbital Overground line opens at Lionel Road then it would make sense for the 235 to be extended to terminate outside the proposed station entrance where the Brentford Fountain is proposed to be relocated from the Western International Market as part of the SEGA site redevelopment proposal. Not sure whether TfL/LB of Hounslow are alert to the potential or whether the developer would provide the necessary room. It would be good if there was also room for a bus stop so that the H91 could pull off the Great West Road to serve the station entrance. At present there is a long gap in westbound bus stops between Vantage West and Clayponds Lane, which would need to be filled to cope with the 1,000 residential units proposed on the SEGA site. Not sure there will enough room on the stand at Osterley Tesco for the 117, given the impending arrival of the E1 and 618. But I would certainly support a more frequent service between Hounslow town centre and West Middlesex Hospital than the 117 currently provides. Planning permission has recently been granted for the redevelopment of Osterley Tesco, which I believe will include a bus stand but no idea of what capacity it will have. where about is new Station being build Lional road I live on Green Dragon towers I can see Sega. All this new Development happing H91 would need bit assistance
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Post by evergreenadam on Feb 10, 2024 17:37:11 GMT
The problem would be a lack of stand space, at present there is none further east along the Great West Road, though if a new station on the proposed West London orbital Overground line opens at Lionel Road then it would make sense for the 235 to be extended to terminate outside the proposed station entrance where the Brentford Fountain is proposed to be relocated from the Western International Market as part of the SEGA site redevelopment proposal. Not sure whether TfL/LB of Hounslow are alert to the potential or whether the developer would provide the necessary room. It would be good if there was also room for a bus stop so that the H91 could pull off the Great West Road to serve the station entrance. At present there is a long gap in westbound bus stops between Vantage West and Clayponds Lane, which would need to be filled to cope with the 1,000 residential units proposed on the SEGA site. Not sure there will enough room on the stand at Osterley Tesco for the 117, given the impending arrival of the E1 and 618. But I would certainly support a more frequent service between Hounslow town centre and West Middlesex Hospital than the 117 currently provides. Planning permission has recently been granted for the redevelopment of Osterley Tesco, which I believe will include a bus stand but no idea of what capacity it will have. where about is new Station being build Lional road I live on Green Dragon towers I can see Sega. All this new Development happing H91 would need bit assistance The entrance would be on the north side of the railway line facing the SEGA site.
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Post by londonbuses on Feb 10, 2024 17:52:50 GMT
However, there are still resident objections in Sunbury Village preventing DDs on the 235 as well. So my suggestion would be to divert the 235 to West Middlesex Hospital instead, providing a more frequent service than the current 117. Then divert the 117 up to Osterley Tesco, offering a more direct Hounslow-Osterley link than the current H28. And introduce a new DD route from Brentford to Hounslow, and continuing further west somewhere. Could this work? 82 Kew Retail Park to Heathrow Central (6bph DD) New route via the South Circular to Kew Bridge then following the N9 to Heathrow Central. Runs at 6bph using DDs. New stand installed as part of the redevelopment of the Kew Retail Park site. Maybe it could have a 24 hour service, timetabled at equal 15 min intervals with the N9 between Kew Bridge and Heathrow Central? 117 Osterley Tesco to Staines (3bph DD) Withdrawn between Isleworth and West Middlesex Hospital and extended to Osterley Tesco via London Road and Syon Lane. Upgraded to double deckers. 235 West Middlesex Hospital to Sunbury Village (7.5bph SD) Withdrawn between Isleworth and Brentford Great West Quarter and extended to West Middlesex Hospital via route 117. H28 Brentford Great West Quarter to Bulls Bridge Tesco (4bph SD) Withdrawn between Busch Corner and Osterley Tesco, and extended to Brentford Great West Quarter via route 235. Frequency increased from 3bph to 4bph.
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Post by COBO on Feb 10, 2024 18:10:33 GMT
unfortunately the society lives in a very NIMBY perspective. Even tfl proposals that are sensible to us can be banned. one particular example was making 128 more direct in Romford but got banned. NIMBYs are the reason why Hail and Ride consultations causes backlashes to local citizens because they cant board the bus in front of their house. However, 235 double decking could be possible if it isnt terminating inside the GWQ (early curtailment to the stop before would grant the potentiality for DDs similar to DD 232 school journeys terminating at brent park rather than st. rapheals. Isn’t another reason why the 235 can’t have double deckers because of the residents at the Sunbury?
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Post by southlondon413 on Feb 10, 2024 18:25:17 GMT
437 Colliers Wood to Banstead (3bph SD)
Routing - 470 from Colliers Wood to Morden, London Road, Aberconway Road (both directions), 157/164 to Rosehill Roundabout, Reigate Avenue, Oldfields Road, St Dunstans Hill, Lumley Road, Malden Road, Cheam Broadway, 470 to Northey Avenue, Belmont Rise, Brighton Road, Bolters Lane, Banstead High Street.
Frequency - 3bph Bus Type - 10.8m Single Deckers Road modifications needed - New bus stops installed all the way along the A217 Reigate Avenue/Oldfields Road/St Dunstans Hill/Belmont Rise. The left turn from Lumley Road to Malden Road needs to be widened over the corner of the Esso petrol station. New stand installed for one bus behind the stop Banstead/the Woolpack.
Changes to other routes - 470 withdrawn between Morden and Colliers Wood.
The route provides a bus service along the A217 between Rosehill Roundabout and Cheam, a glaringly obvious missing link in my opinion. I'm not entirely sure about the southern section of the route to Banstead, but I can see the Morden to Cheam section being very popular. Interesting route but it would be infinitely quicker to take the 93 and then change to the 151/213/SL7 between Morden and Cheam, same in reverse. I am also certain that regardless of how much that corner on Lumley Road is changed a 10.8m vehicle is not fitting round it. I’ve seen dial-a-ride vehicles get stuck on that corner trying to turn left. I think it would be better to have it go up to the crossroads with Belmont Rise and then turn left towards Cheam Station.
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Post by ADH45258 on Feb 10, 2024 19:03:41 GMT
However, there are still resident objections in Sunbury Village preventing DDs on the 235 as well. So my suggestion would be to divert the 235 to West Middlesex Hospital instead, providing a more frequent service than the current 117. Then divert the 117 up to Osterley Tesco, offering a more direct Hounslow-Osterley link than the current H28. And introduce a new DD route from Brentford to Hounslow, and continuing further west somewhere. Could this work? 82 Kew Retail Park to Heathrow Central (6bph DD) New route via the South Circular to Kew Bridge then following the N9 to Heathrow Central. Runs at 6bph using DDs. New stand installed as part of the redevelopment of the Kew Retail Park site. Maybe it could have a 24 hour service, timetabled at equal 15 min intervals with the N9 between Kew Bridge and Heathrow Central? 117 Osterley Tesco to Staines (3bph DD) Withdrawn between Isleworth and West Middlesex Hospital and extended to Osterley Tesco via London Road and Syon Lane. Upgraded to double deckers. 235 West Middlesex Hospital to Sunbury Village (7.5bph SD) Withdrawn between Isleworth and Brentford Great West Quarter and extended to West Middlesex Hospital via route 117. H28 Brentford Great West Quarter to Bulls Bridge Tesco (4bph SD) Withdrawn between Busch Corner and Osterley Tesco, and extended to Brentford Great West Quarter via route 235. Frequency increased from 3bph to 4bph. Yes this could be a good compromise. The only thing is that current H28 passengers would lose the link from the Osterley area to West Middlesex Hospital, though perhaps you could extend the E1 south from Osterley to to West Middlesex, double running to the Tesco if needed?
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