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Post by bk10mfe on Feb 12, 2024 17:03:00 GMT
Have you considered that there might be a good reason why there are a large number of routes between Hounslow & Hounslow West? Just because a corridor has a large number of routes doesn't mean it automatically should have one or more removed. I mean, I'm not talking from knowledge or experience but I suspect some people living along the H32 wouldn't be pleased to see it diverted away from Hounslow especially when Heathrow to Southall has already both the 105 & Elizabeth line linking the two with the 105 being more direct than any diverted H32. The 120 has been mentioned on here several times as needing some assistance so whilst indeed it's faster, removing alternative options between Hounslow & Southall seems quite counter productive to the 120's own issues even if they take completely different routes. The H32 provides the direct link to Hounslow town centre for much of central and northern Heston, removing it would be unacceptable. The 482 also links Southall with Heathrow. The 482 doesn’t link Heathrow Central with those areas mentioned.
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Post by bk10mfe on Feb 12, 2024 17:07:33 GMT
Yeah I didn’t agree with the 427 change & I’ve heard the 207/SL8 aren’t coping particularly well, hence why I decided to add this route. You’re rerouted E6 also wouldn’t help with the 105 for most of the route, as it wouldn’t run to Southall. Perhaps though you could withdraw the H32 between Hounslow & Hounslow West & divert it to Heathrow Central to provide another option for a Heathrow-Southall link. There are already a large number of routes along the Hounslow-Hounslow West corridor & the 120 is faster going from Hounslow to Southall. Have you considered that there might be a good reason why there are a large number of routes between Hounslow & Hounslow West? Just because a corridor has a large number of routes doesn't mean it automatically should have one or more removed. I mean, I'm not talking from knowledge or experience but I suspect some people living along the H32 wouldn't be pleased to see it diverted away from Hounslow especially when Heathrow to Southall has already both the 105 & Elizabeth line linking the two with the 105 being more direct than any diverted H32. The 120 has been mentioned on here several times as needing some assistance so whilst indeed it's faster, removing alternative options between Hounslow & Southall seems quite counter productive to the 120's own issues even if they take completely different routes. Yes I’m aware that corridor gets demand however tfl did once consider taking the 222 off the whole corridor between Hounslow & North Heathrow with a frequency increase on the 81 to compensate. Not necessarily saying that’s a good idea but it does suggest to me there may be some excess capacity on that corridor. I’ve often used the 222 on that corridor & it’s never gets too busy until Harlington Corner. That being said I do think the 81 could do with a frequency increase regardless.
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Post by southlondonbus on Feb 12, 2024 17:25:47 GMT
Have you considered that there might be a good reason why there are a large number of routes between Hounslow & Hounslow West? Just because a corridor has a large number of routes doesn't mean it automatically should have one or more removed. I mean, I'm not talking from knowledge or experience but I suspect some people living along the H32 wouldn't be pleased to see it diverted away from Hounslow especially when Heathrow to Southall has already both the 105 & Elizabeth line linking the two with the 105 being more direct than any diverted H32. The 120 has been mentioned on here several times as needing some assistance so whilst indeed it's faster, removing alternative options between Hounslow & Southall seems quite counter productive to the 120's own issues even if they take completely different routes. Yes I’m aware that corridor gets demand however tfl did once consider taking the 222 off the whole corridor between Hounslow & North Heathrow with a frequency increase on the 81 to compensate. Not necessarily saying that’s a good idea but it does suggest to me there may be some excess capacity on that corridor. I’ve often used the 222 on that corridor & it’s never gets too busy until Harlington Corner. That being said I do think the 81 could do with a frequency increase regardless. I thought the 222 was going to run to Heathrow with an X222 from Hounslow to Uxbridge to speed up journeys.
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Post by secretbu5dude on Feb 12, 2024 17:38:25 GMT
New route 471: Would run between Heathrow Central & Ealing Broadway via 278 to Hayes Asda, 195 to Ealing Hospital & 207 to Ealing Broadway. Would stand on the E1 stand in Ealing when that gets extended to Osterley. Relives some stress off certain routes, notably the 105, 195 & 207/SL8. Frequency?
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Post by bk10mfe on Feb 12, 2024 20:25:27 GMT
New route 471: Would run between Heathrow Central & Ealing Broadway via 278 to Hayes Asda, 195 to Ealing Hospital & 207 to Ealing Broadway. Would stand on the E1 stand in Ealing when that gets extended to Osterley. Relives some stress off certain routes, notably the 105, 195 & 207/SL8. Frequency? 4bph sounds reasonable enough
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Post by bk10mfe on Feb 12, 2024 20:58:10 GMT
Yes I’m aware that corridor gets demand however tfl did once consider taking the 222 off the whole corridor between Hounslow & North Heathrow with a frequency increase on the 81 to compensate. Not necessarily saying that’s a good idea but it does suggest to me there may be some excess capacity on that corridor. I’ve often used the 222 on that corridor & it’s never gets too busy until Harlington Corner. That being said I do think the 81 could do with a frequency increase regardless. I thought the 222 was going to run to Heathrow with an X222 from Hounslow to Uxbridge to speed up journeys. Yes TfL stated they would do either an X222 or increase the frequency on the 81. Don’t think there is any point in diverting the 222 to Heathrow as there is already A10/U3 providing the same links.
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Post by ADH45258 on Feb 12, 2024 21:12:08 GMT
I thought the 222 was going to run to Heathrow with an X222 from Hounslow to Uxbridge to speed up journeys. Yes TfL stated they would do either an X222 or increase the frequency on the 81. Don’t think there is any point in diverting the 222 to Heathrow as there is already A10/U3 providing the same links. I think what could be useful though would be a route from Uxbridge to Terminal 5, roughly via the 222 to West Drayton then the 350. There was a suggestion recently to introduce a day equivalent to the western end of the N9, from Heathrow Central to Brentford/Kew (as part of a restructure involving the 117/235/etc). So perhaps you could introduce both this and an Uxbridge-T5 route, then reduce the 222's frequency slightly? Maintaining roughly the same overall frequency between Hounslow and Harlington Corner, and between West Drayton and Uxbridge. The Uxbridge route could even just take the 350 number, then make some other changes to replace the section between West Drayton, Stockley Park and Hayes? For example could divert the 195 at Hayes to go to West Drayton, then reroute the H98 up to Charville Lane Estate? Or could just merge that part of the 350 with the proposed 495 route? Don't know how much demand there is currently to travel between Hayes and T5, but the 350 isn't particularly direct anyway - would be quicker to change via Harlington Corner (SL9 then 423), or just use the Elizabeth Line.
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Post by bk10mfe on Feb 12, 2024 22:43:22 GMT
Yes TfL stated they would do either an X222 or increase the frequency on the 81. Don’t think there is any point in diverting the 222 to Heathrow as there is already A10/U3 providing the same links. I think what could be useful though would be a route from Uxbridge to Terminal 5, roughly via the 222 to West Drayton then the 350. There was a suggestion recently to introduce a day equivalent to the western end of the N9, from Heathrow Central to Brentford/Kew (as part of a restructure involving the 117/235/etc). So perhaps you could introduce both this and an Uxbridge-T5 route, then reduce the 222's frequency slightly? Maintaining roughly the same overall frequency between Hounslow and Harlington Corner, and between West Drayton and Uxbridge. The Uxbridge route could even just take the 350 number, then make some other changes to replace the section between West Drayton, Stockley Park and Hayes? For example could divert the 195 at Hayes to go to West Drayton, then reroute the H98 up to Charville Lane Estate? Or could just merge that part of the 350 with the proposed 495 route? Don't know how much demand there is currently to travel between Hayes and T5, but the 350 isn't particularly direct anyway - would be quicker to change via Harlington Corner (SL9 then 423), or just use the Elizabeth Line. The easiest way to introduce a Hounslow-Heathrow link similar to the N9 is to simply have the 423 perform a double run to serve Heathrow Central. You could also extend the 423 to Brentford if the 237 needs some more assistance. As for creating a Heathrow T5-Uxbridge link there is 2 options: 1. The idea of creating the 350 to run between T5-Uxbridge, though in this case I would leave the 195 as it is & divert the H98 after Hayes Town to run to West Drayton via the current 350. This enables the Hayes-West Drayton section of the 350 to be fully decked. The 278 would maintain links to Hayes End. Kingsway would now have no bus though I doubt that’s an issue. 2. Extending the A10 non stop to T5, allowing a route that not only links Heathrow Central with T5 but also Uxbridge.
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Post by secretbu5dude on Feb 13, 2024 3:21:48 GMT
I was thinking about the N18/N518 consultation and wondered, if the N207 alignment went through a similar change/enhancement........
What ideas would ya'll put through?
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Post by bk10mfe on Feb 13, 2024 8:41:14 GMT
I was thinking about the N18/N518 consultation and wondered, if the N207 alignment went through a similar change/enhancement........ What ideas would ya'll put through? Ik this wouldn’t necessarily help the N207 but I have though an N114 running between Uxbridge & Mill Hill Broadway could be useful. It would run via the U1 to Uxbridge then the current 114 to Mill Hill Broadway.
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Post by britishguy54 on Feb 13, 2024 9:53:32 GMT
Since we’re talking about night routes due to the recent N518 consultation, I can’t really decide what might be more useful in the Dagenham and Rainham area.
Option A: 238: No longer has 24-hour service N238: Replaces 238 night service and follows 287 towards Rainham
Option B: N552: New route between Aldgate (or maybe Blackwall or North Greenwich as a start?) and Rainham.
Option C: 173: 24-hour service
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Post by bk10mfe on Feb 13, 2024 10:15:38 GMT
Since we’re talking about night routes due to the recent N518 consultation, I can’t really decide what might be more useful in the Dagenham and Rainham area. Option A: 238: No longer has 24-hour service N238: Replaces 238 night service and follows 287 towards Rainham Option B: N552: New route between Aldgate (or maybe Blackwall or North Greenwich as a start?) and Rainham. Option C: 173: 24-hour service The 145 did have use to have a weekend night route but I don’t think many people were using it so it got withdrawn. This might partially be because of the N8, N15 & (N)128 paralleling it somewhat, but it has left Dagenham without a night service. Of the 3 options I would create the N552 but I would have it run between Crossharbour & Rainham running via: D8 to Poplar, N15 to Becontree, 145 to Ballards Road & 103 to Rainham Station.
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Post by aaron1 on Feb 13, 2024 17:40:26 GMT
New route from Cricklewood Bus Garage to Camden Town or Euston Run via 16 316 to Kilburn High Road then via 31 to Camden Town or if go to Euston via N5 This to help the 31 and give new links
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Post by wirewiper on Feb 13, 2024 17:45:23 GMT
New route from Cricklewood Bus Garage to Camden Town or Euston Run via 16 316 to Kilburn High Road then via 31 to Camden Town or if go to Euston via N5 This to help the 31 and give new links Personally I would just put more buses on the 31, and extend it to Euston once the HS2 works are complete.
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Post by ADH45258 on Feb 13, 2024 19:56:49 GMT
New route from Cricklewood Bus Garage to Camden Town or Euston Run via 16 316 to Kilburn High Road then via 31 to Camden Town or if go to Euston via N5 This to help the 31 and give new links The 189/C11 already cover some similar links to/from Cricklewood, but perhaps something like this could work if it instead heads west at Kilburn, somewhere via Willesden? Or maybe even take over part of the 206, since that can now take DDs? Then maybe the 31 could just be restructured as such, and amend the 328 corridor at the same time? The 328 could reroute at Notting Hill Gate to replace the 31 to White City, then extend the C3 up to Maida Hill?
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