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Post by greenboy on Feb 25, 2024 14:21:56 GMT
The easiest solution would probably be to split the 170, to have a "239" between Victoria and Clapham Junction running at a higher frequency of 8bph, and a "170" between Clapham Junction and Roehampton at its existing frequency of 6bph, maybe with double deckers? I agree this would probably work best, particularly if different frequencies are needed at each end. I would suggest though to extend both routes a bit further. One route could operate from CJ to Victoria, then continuing to Waterloo via the 507, and reversing the 3/C10 changes. And also extend the 11 to London Bridge to free up stand space at Waterloo, and provide some new links. Then the Roehampton end could extend from CJ along the south circular, to provide some new links via Clapham South and Streatham Hill, maybe terminating somewhere like Tulse Hill? Or alternatively could reroute the 156 to operate between Vauxhall and Roehampton. Then revise the 131 to follow the N87, operating between Clapham Junction and Kingston, for some new links. And maybe extend something from Tooting to Wimbledon if needed to replace the 131's capacity here? I did wonder previously about a 170/507 combo between Waterloo and Clapham Junction but I think the 3 to Victoria is well established now so probably best left as it is. In a different era Roehampton to Tulse Hill could have been viable but probably not in the current situation. Your 131 and 156 suggestions have some merit but I think we just have to accept that the 170 is restricted to single deckers and increase the frequency if necessary, it was reduced a few years ago.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 25, 2024 14:24:47 GMT
Then the Roehampton end could extend from CJ along the south circular, to provide some new links via Clapham South and Streatham Hill, maybe terminating somewhere like Tulse Hill? I really like the idea of a route running along the South Circular, but I definitely wouldn't link it to the 170 as it would be way too unreliable. Something along the lines of Clapham Junction to Catford could work in my opinion. I think even that is a stretch though certainly has a better chance of working than Roehampton. Brixton to Catford could probably work even if run via Lancaster Avenue rather than Thurlow Park Road to avoid the low bridge
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Post by londonbuses on Feb 25, 2024 14:40:26 GMT
I really like the idea of a route running along the South Circular, but I definitely wouldn't link it to the 170 as it would be way too unreliable. Something along the lines of Clapham Junction to Catford could work in my opinion. I think even that is a stretch though certainly has a better chance of working than Roehampton. Brixton to Catford could probably work even if run via Lancaster Avenue rather than Thurlow Park Road to avoid the low bridge I don't see the point in sending another route up to Brixton to be honest, a route along the South Circular would provide lots of new orbital links. Would double deckers be allowed along Lancaster Avenue, and would they be able to make the left turn from Norwood Road to Lancaster Avenue?
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Post by DT 11 on Feb 25, 2024 15:13:58 GMT
I think even that is a stretch though certainly has a better chance of working than Roehampton. Brixton to Catford could probably work even if run via Lancaster Avenue rather than Thurlow Park Road to avoid the low bridge I don't see the point in sending another route up to Brixton to be honest, a route along the South Circular would provide lots of new orbital links. Would double deckers be allowed along Lancaster Avenue, and would they be able to make the left turn from Norwood Road to Lancaster Avenue? The 202 uses Lancaster Avenue for light running. However I would not advise it for service buses. To make that left turn both lanes have to be used.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 25, 2024 17:52:58 GMT
I think even that is a stretch though certainly has a better chance of working than Roehampton. Brixton to Catford could probably work even if run via Lancaster Avenue rather than Thurlow Park Road to avoid the low bridge I don't see the point in sending another route up to Brixton to be honest, a route along the South Circular would provide lots of new orbital links. Would double deckers be allowed along Lancaster Avenue, and would they be able to make the left turn from Norwood Road to Lancaster Avenue? I never said it must be implemented, just that the distance and routing is more manageable in that form.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 25, 2024 17:55:50 GMT
I don't see the point in sending another route up to Brixton to be honest, a route along the South Circular would provide lots of new orbital links. Would double deckers be allowed along Lancaster Avenue, and would they be able to make the left turn from Norwood Road to Lancaster Avenue? The 202 uses Lancaster Avenue for light running. However I would not advise it for service buses. To make that left turn both lanes have to be used. Lancaster Avenue is the official diversion route for all vehicles when Norwood Road is shut and has been used many times over the years without issue. It also should be noted that when diverted buses turn left into Brixton Water Lane from Brixton Hill which I believe is a tighter turn, buses use both lanes and this is another official diversion route
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Post by DT 11 on Feb 25, 2024 18:03:56 GMT
The 202 uses Lancaster Avenue for light running. However I would not advise it for service buses. To make that left turn both lanes have to be used. Lancaster Avenue is the official diversion route for all vehicles when Norwood Road is shut and has been used many times over the years without issue. It also should be noted that when diverted buses turn left into Brixton Water Lane from Brixton Hill which I believe is a tighter turn, buses use both lanes and this is another official diversion route Indeed but for normal service I would say it’s not Suitable. Some roads can take buses on diversion, but not suitable for normal service.
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Post by bk10mfe on Feb 25, 2024 22:10:36 GMT
2 new proposed routes to be introduced to run on the South Circular: 1. 431: Clapham Junction to Bellingham Catford Bus Garage via: Falcon Road, The Northcote, the A205 all the way to Catford & Bromley Road. 5bph single decker operated by Stagecoach. 2. 361: Between Grove Park & Plumstead Bus Garage via: Baring Road, A205 all the way up to the Woolwich Ferry & A206 to Plumstead Bus Garage. New bus stop to be placed on the A206 at the Woolwich Ferry.
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Post by Dad91 on Feb 25, 2024 22:20:23 GMT
N509 Running between Feltham Leisure West and Aldwych via: Air Park Way Route 90 to Feltham High Street Route 235 to Brentford High Road N9 to Aldwych Purpose: To help out the N9 and link Feltham with Central London. Day route Hammersmith to Feltham Leisure West Night Aldwych via N9
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Post by gwiwer on Feb 25, 2024 22:28:24 GMT
For what purpose? I realise the Woolly Ferret does take passengers but it is primarily a vehicle ferry and has become infrequent and unreliable since the new boats arrived leading to long delays. Pedestrian traffic now mostly uses the DLR or those who wish to can still walk through the pipe.
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Post by bk10mfe on Feb 25, 2024 22:48:43 GMT
For what purpose? I realise the Woolly Ferret does take passengers but it is primarily a vehicle ferry and has become infrequent and unreliable since the new boats arrived leading to long delays. Pedestrian traffic now mostly uses the DLR or those who wish to can still walk through the pipe. The Ferry stop is actually quite well used having used it regularly myself on various routes there. I think a better link needs to be provided from the South to the Ferry given that the 161 is very indirect from serving QE Hospital & Woolwich Centre, while this route goes straight to the ferry area while still serving Woolwich Arsenal. Some additional shops & the Waterfront Leisure Centre are also there, plus the SL2 is being introduced from next weekend which will likely increase the amount of demand in that area.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 26, 2024 2:46:09 GMT
2 new proposed routes to be introduced to run on the South Circular: 1. 431: Clapham Junction to Bellingham Catford Bus Garage via: Falcon Road, The Northcote, the A205 all the way to Catford & Bromley Road. 5bph single decker operated by Stagecoach. 2. 361: Between Grove Park & Plumstead Bus Garage via: Baring Road, A205 all the way up to the Woolwich Ferry & A206 to Plumstead Bus Garage. New bus stop to be placed on the A206 at the Woolwich Ferry. The 431 would need a lot of work in it to keep it as reliable as possible as the South Circular is unforgiving - the P4 only uses a small chunk yet struggles to run reliably at times. I also would curtail it to Catford in any event as I don't think the Bellingham section is necessary especially with the 171 already doing this and this route will need all the extra time there is but even then, Clapham Junction may still be a step too far. Clapham Park or Brixton may be the best solutions but if the latter, something would have to be removed and given I live in Brixton, I can assure you that is a no no to remove any existing route along Brixton Hill, Tulse Hill or through Herne Hill.
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Post by cl54 on Feb 26, 2024 8:10:55 GMT
For what purpose? I realise the Woolly Ferret does take passengers but it is primarily a vehicle ferry and has become infrequent and unreliable since the new boats arrived leading to long delays. Pedestrian traffic now mostly uses the DLR or those who wish to can still walk through the pipe. The Woolwich Ferry is now running a 2 boat service. The 161 was supposed to be diverted to run via John Wilson Street after the stop outside Tesco. Not yet implemented.
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Post by bk10mfe on Feb 26, 2024 10:05:39 GMT
2 new proposed routes to be introduced to run on the South Circular: 1. 431: Clapham Junction to Bellingham Catford Bus Garage via: Falcon Road, The Northcote, the A205 all the way to Catford & Bromley Road. 5bph single decker operated by Stagecoach. 2. 361: Between Grove Park & Plumstead Bus Garage via: Baring Road, A205 all the way up to the Woolwich Ferry & A206 to Plumstead Bus Garage. New bus stop to be placed on the A206 at the Woolwich Ferry. The 431 would need a lot of work in it to keep it as reliable as possible as the South Circular is unforgiving - the P4 only uses a small chunk yet struggles to run reliably at times. I also would curtail it to Catford in any event as I don't think the Bellingham section is necessary especially with the 171 already doing this and this route will need all the extra time there is but even then, Clapham Junction may still be a step too far. Clapham Park or Brixton may be the best solutions but if the latter, something would have to be removed and given I live in Brixton, I can assure you that is a no no to remove any existing route along Brixton Hill, Tulse Hill or through Herne Hill. You could divert the 417 to Clapham Junction via the proposed route after Clapham Park, then have the 431 takeover the current 417 to Clapham Common. To offset the loss of capacity on Kings Ave I would fully deck the 355.
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Post by DT 11 on Feb 26, 2024 10:08:54 GMT
For what purpose? I realise the Woolly Ferret does take passengers but it is primarily a vehicle ferry and has become infrequent and unreliable since the new boats arrived leading to long delays. Pedestrian traffic now mostly uses the DLR or those who wish to can still walk through the pipe. The Woolwich Ferry is now running a 2 boat service. The 161 was supposed to be diverted to run via John Wilson Street after the stop outside Tesco. Not yet implemented. The 161 planned re-route is no longer happening it was binned and the bus stop for Woolwich Arsenal Station was moved so now it goes via Vincent Road & Burrage Road permanently and also serves Woolwich Station on Plumstead Road.
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