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Post by greenboy on Mar 11, 2024 18:52:07 GMT
Restructure idea for south east London: B14/R6 - TFL's proposals to go ahead as planned. 138 - Extended from Bromley North to Eltham Station via the 162. Frequency increased to every 15 minutes. 162 - Withdrawn between Eltham and Chislehurst, and instead extended to Sidcup via the 269. Converted to DDs. 269 - Withdrawn between Bromley and Sidcup, and instead extended to Orpington via the 51. 51 - Withdrawn between Orpington and Sidcup. Also extended from Woolwich to North Greenwich via the 161, providing new links from North Greenwich to the Plumstead Common area. 126 - Extended from Eltham to Woolwich via the 161, and converted to DDs. Possible diversion via Grove Park Road (instead of Dunkery Road). 161 - Revised to operate between Eltham High Street and Orpington Station, replacing part of the 61. Frequency reduced to every 15 minutes. 61 - Revised to operate between Bromley North and Ramsden Estate, with the R9 withdrawn. Possible further change - 162 to swap with the 358 to the west of Park Langley, increasing capacity between Crystal Palace and Bromley. So in summary: 51 North Greenwich - Sidcup 61 Bromley North - Ramsden Estate 126 Woolwich - Bromley South 138 Coney Hall - Eltham 161 Eltham - Orpington 162 Crystal Palace - Sidcup 269 Bexleyheath - Orpington 358 Beckenham Junction - Orpington B14 Bexleyheath - Orpington (via Wooten Green) R6 & R9 Withdrawn The 138 would have to be revised in Coney Hall to allow recovery time. I'm not sure about the 269 going to Orpington, as I mentioned in a previous post I'd be reluctant to tamper with the 51 which I think works quite well as it is. The other ideas seem plausible, certainly an Eltham to Orpington link should be reinstated although I wonder about returning the 61 to Eltham which would keep the links to PRU?
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Post by ADH45258 on Mar 11, 2024 19:36:52 GMT
Restructure idea for south east London: B14/R6 - TFL's proposals to go ahead as planned. 138 - Extended from Bromley North to Eltham Station via the 162. Frequency increased to every 15 minutes. 162 - Withdrawn between Eltham and Chislehurst, and instead extended to Sidcup via the 269. Converted to DDs. 269 - Withdrawn between Bromley and Sidcup, and instead extended to Orpington via the 51. 51 - Withdrawn between Orpington and Sidcup. Also extended from Woolwich to North Greenwich via the 161, providing new links from North Greenwich to the Plumstead Common area. 126 - Extended from Eltham to Woolwich via the 161, and converted to DDs. Possible diversion via Grove Park Road (instead of Dunkery Road). 161 - Revised to operate between Eltham High Street and Orpington Station, replacing part of the 61. Frequency reduced to every 15 minutes. 61 - Revised to operate between Bromley North and Ramsden Estate, with the R9 withdrawn. Possible further change - 162 to swap with the 358 to the west of Park Langley, increasing capacity between Crystal Palace and Bromley. So in summary: 51 North Greenwich - Sidcup 61 Bromley North - Ramsden Estate 126 Woolwich - Bromley South 138 Coney Hall - Eltham 161 Eltham - Orpington 162 Crystal Palace - Sidcup 269 Bexleyheath - Orpington 358 Beckenham Junction - Orpington B14 Bexleyheath - Orpington (via Wooten Green) R6 & R9 Withdrawn The 138 doesn’t get stand time in Coney Hall, it is meant to be a short route linking Coney Hall to Hayes & Bromley, so extending it all the way to North Eltham wouldn’t work here unfortunately. Could you extend something else to North Eltham that gets stand time on the other end of its route e.g the 227? The 162's current section near Chislehurst is restricted to short SDs, so definitely not the 227. The 354 could be a good option though, again with a frequency increase up to every 15 minutes?
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Post by bk10mfe on Mar 11, 2024 19:40:30 GMT
I wonder if the 422 could be rerouted between East Wickham & Blackheath via Plumstead Common, QE Hospital & Shooters Hill Road back to LOR. This rerouting also introduces a Plumstead Common-North Greenwich link. I largely don’t see any reason for it to go via Woolwich considering there are faster options towards both Bexleyheath & North Greenwich (96 towards Bexleyheath), (161,180 & 472 towards North Greenwich). Only problem I see with this re-routing is that I’m not sure the 53/54 would be able to cope on their own between Blackheath & Woolwich.
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Post by greg on Mar 11, 2024 20:07:03 GMT
Some changes to bus route SL6 now that I think would be beneficial and give it more of a superloop touch rather than a shadow of the existing route X68
1) Extend to Euston Bus Station (Very easy terminal to extend to, I don’t see how Russel Square is all that useful other than Bloomsbury, but extending to Euston a major terminal for workers. Even more that the 59 stand is vacant (not that I think it needs its own stand) but it could help pick up the slack from often delayed routes 1 and 68 towards South London.
2) ?? New stop at Brixton Station From what I believe, SL6 runs via Brixton on its non-stop section between Waterloo and West Norwood? Id like to propose the SL6 stop at Brixton Station as a major hotspot for people coming into Central London and for supporting the Viccy line, and the previous link left by route 59 (peaks only).
3) Run Mon-Sat service I think this route could run well beyond the peaks, and thing it could be holded with a bit more love. Maybe run at Peaks only during Saturdays, but mostly all day Mon-Fri. All days to run until 10/11PM?
4) Remodified timetable The route currently runs in the Russel Square direction only during AM ans West Croydon in PM. I’d propose it to run in both directions at all times in conjunction with Option 3.
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Post by bk10mfe on Mar 11, 2024 20:09:35 GMT
Some changes to bus route SL6 now that I think would be beneficial and give it more of a superloop touch rather than a shadow of the existing route X68 1) Extend to Euston Bus Station (Very easy terminal to extend to, I don’t see how Russel Square is all that useful other than Bloomsbury, but extending to Euston a major terminal for workers. Even more that the 59 stand is vacant (not that I think it needs its own stand) but it could help pick up the slack from often delayed routes 1 and 68 towards South London. 2) ?? New stop at Brixton Station From what I believe, SL6 runs via Brixton on its non-stop section between Waterloo and West Norwood? Id like to propose the SL6 stop at Brixton Station as a major hotspot for people coming into Central London and for supporting the Viccy line, and the previous link left by route 59 (peaks only). 3) Run Mon-Sat service I think this route could run well beyond the peaks, and thing it could be holded with a bit more love. Maybe run at Peaks only during Saturdays, but mostly all day Mon-Fri. All days to run until 10/11PM? 4) Remodified timetable The route currently runs in the Russel Square direction only during AM ans West Croydon in PM. I’d propose it to run in both directions at all times in conjunction with Option 3. The SL6 doesn’t serve Brixton Station, it takes the 68/468 routing between Waterloo & West Norwood.
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Post by greg on Mar 11, 2024 20:13:51 GMT
Some changes to bus route SL6 now that I think would be beneficial and give it more of a superloop touch rather than a shadow of the existing route X68 1) Extend to Euston Bus Station (Very easy terminal to extend to, I don’t see how Russel Square is all that useful other than Bloomsbury, but extending to Euston a major terminal for workers. Even more that the 59 stand is vacant (not that I think it needs its own stand) but it could help pick up the slack from often delayed routes 1 and 68 towards South London. 2) ?? New stop at Brixton Station From what I believe, SL6 runs via Brixton on its non-stop section between Waterloo and West Norwood? Id like to propose the SL6 stop at Brixton Station as a major hotspot for people coming into Central London and for supporting the Viccy line, and the previous link left by route 59 (peaks only). 3) Run Mon-Sat service I think this route could run well beyond the peaks, and thing it could be holded with a bit more love. Maybe run at Peaks only during Saturdays, but mostly all day Mon-Fri. All days to run until 10/11PM? 4) Remodified timetable The route currently runs in the Russel Square direction only during AM ans West Croydon in PM. I’d propose it to run in both directions at all times in conjunction with Option 3. The SL6 doesn’t serve Brixton Station, it takes the 68/468 routing between Waterloo & West Norwood. Maybe a reroute wouldn’t be too bad? Additional stops at Elephant & Castle and it currently serves then up to Brixton and then back to West Norwood via Tulse Hill
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Post by DT 11 on Mar 11, 2024 20:14:04 GMT
Some changes to bus route SL6 now that I think would be beneficial and give it more of a superloop touch rather than a shadow of the existing route X68 1) Extend to Euston Bus Station (Very easy terminal to extend to, I don’t see how Russel Square is all that useful other than Bloomsbury, but extending to Euston a major terminal for workers. Even more that the 59 stand is vacant (not that I think it needs its own stand) but it could help pick up the slack from often delayed routes 1 and 68 towards South London. 2) ?? New stop at Brixton Station From what I believe, SL6 runs via Brixton on its non-stop section between Waterloo and West Norwood? Id like to propose the SL6 stop at Brixton Station as a major hotspot for people coming into Central London and for supporting the Viccy line, and the previous link left by route 59 (peaks only). 3) Run Mon-Sat service I think this route could run well beyond the peaks, and thing it could be holded with a bit more love. Maybe run at Peaks only during Saturdays, but mostly all day Mon-Fri. All days to run until 10/11PM? 4) Remodified timetable The route currently runs in the Russel Square direction only during AM ans West Croydon in PM. I’d propose it to run in both directions at all times in conjunction with Option 3. The SL6 doesn’t serve Brixton Station, it takes the 68/468 routing between Waterloo & West Norwood. Brixton does not need anymore buses stopping there. Too many as it is already.
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 11, 2024 20:21:57 GMT
Some changes to bus route SL6 now that I think would be beneficial and give it more of a superloop touch rather than a shadow of the existing route X68 1) Extend to Euston Bus Station (Very easy terminal to extend to, I don’t see how Russel Square is all that useful other than Bloomsbury, but extending to Euston a major terminal for workers. Even more that the 59 stand is vacant (not that I think it needs its own stand) but it could help pick up the slack from often delayed routes 1 and 68 towards South London. 2) ?? New stop at Brixton Station From what I believe, SL6 runs via Brixton on its non-stop section between Waterloo and West Norwood? Id like to propose the SL6 stop at Brixton Station as a major hotspot for people coming into Central London and for supporting the Viccy line, and the previous link left by route 59 (peaks only). 3) Run Mon-Sat service I think this route could run well beyond the peaks, and thing it could be holded with a bit more love. Maybe run at Peaks only during Saturdays, but mostly all day Mon-Fri. All days to run until 10/11PM? 4) Remodified timetable The route currently runs in the Russel Square direction only during AM ans West Croydon in PM. I’d propose it to run in both directions at all times in conjunction with Option 3. The SL6 doesn’t serve Brixton Station, it takes the 68/468 routing between Waterloo & West Norwood. It doesnt stop in Brixton but it does run through it on most days as opposed to running via Camberwell.
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Post by twobellstogo on Mar 11, 2024 20:23:41 GMT
I wonder if the 422 could be rerouted between East Wickham & Blackheath via Plumstead Common, QE Hospital & Shooters Hill Road back to LOR. This rerouting also introduces a Plumstead Common-North Greenwich link. I largely don’t see any reason for it to go via Woolwich considering there are faster options towards both Bexleyheath & North Greenwich (96 towards Bexleyheath), (161,180 & 472 towards North Greenwich). Only problem I see with this re-routing is that I’m not sure the 53/54 would be able to cope on their own between Blackheath & Woolwich. Breaks a surprising amount of links I’m afraid. You might get away with sending the 422 via Kings Highway, Plumstead Common and then via route 53 to current line of route, but I’d be deeply reluctant to remove the 422 from Woolwich Town Centre.
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Post by mb171 on Mar 11, 2024 20:27:20 GMT
Restructure idea for south east London: B14/R6 - TFL's proposals to go ahead as planned. 138 - Extended from Bromley North to Eltham Station via the 162. Frequency increased to every 15 minutes. 162 - Withdrawn between Eltham and Chislehurst, and instead extended to Sidcup via the 269. Converted to DDs. 269 - Withdrawn between Bromley and Sidcup, and instead extended to Orpington via the 51. 51 - Withdrawn between Orpington and Sidcup. Also extended from Woolwich to North Greenwich via the 161, providing new links from North Greenwich to the Plumstead Common area. 126 - Extended from Eltham to Woolwich via the 161, and converted to DDs. Possible diversion via Grove Park Road (instead of Dunkery Road). 161 - Revised to operate between Eltham High Street and Orpington Station, replacing part of the 61. Frequency reduced to every 15 minutes. 61 - Revised to operate between Bromley North and Ramsden Estate, with the R9 withdrawn. Possible further change - 162 to swap with the 358 to the west of Park Langley, increasing capacity between Crystal Palace and Bromley. So in summary: 51 North Greenwich - Sidcup 61 Bromley North - Ramsden Estate 126 Woolwich - Bromley South 138 Coney Hall - Eltham 161 Eltham - Orpington 162 Crystal Palace - Sidcup 269 Bexleyheath - Orpington 358 Beckenham Junction - Orpington B14 Bexleyheath - Orpington (via Wooten Green) R6 & R9 Withdrawn Few comments from a locals perspective: 138 to Eltham... not a good idea... 138 works well from Coney Hall - Bromley - extending it to Eltham breaks its purpose and its loop may have to be restructured?. 162 doesn't need to go to Sidcup... there are more than enough routes around Chislehurst that serve Sidcup (160, 269, SL3) come to mind. Also Chislehurst/New Eltham will be left without a bus service so the 162 is actually necessary in the section. In fact I'd say that's the most important section of the 162 route. 269 doesn't need to go to Orpington- although the B14 is quite indirect from Bexleyheath to Orpington there's no need. 51 to North Greenwich is a big no no. 51 is designed to connect the North of SE London to the outskirts. Will also make it too unreliable even running from Sidcup. If people want to go to North Greenwich from Plumstead Common there are plenty of buses from Woolwich they can change from 51, 53 or 291. 126 has been mentioned many times and is a good idea however I'd keep the Dunkery Road section just so route 124 has some support. DD conversion would be justified. However 126 uses Westmount Road, Rochester Way, Well Hall Road then Academy Road via route 122. 161 should be kept as it is personally - and I'd make Eltham - Orpington as a new route - maybe 361. As 126 is "extended" to Woolwich in my eyes it wouldn't serve Queen Elizabeth Hospital as it'd be a bit indirect so 161 may still need to be kept so that people may have access to QEH and Charlton from Eltham. 361 would run from Eltham High Street using the stand space left from route 126 to Orpington via Mottingham, Chislehurst and then 61 LOR towards Orpington. 61 between Bromley N and Ramsden - this could work? Although the R9 is short it's there as a loop service to shuttle the residents of Ramsden to Orpington so I wouldn't tamper with the R9.
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Post by greenboy on Mar 11, 2024 20:29:31 GMT
Some changes to bus route SL6 now that I think would be beneficial and give it more of a superloop touch rather than a shadow of the existing route X68 1) Extend to Euston Bus Station (Very easy terminal to extend to, I don’t see how Russel Square is all that useful other than Bloomsbury, but extending to Euston a major terminal for workers. Even more that the 59 stand is vacant (not that I think it needs its own stand) but it could help pick up the slack from often delayed routes 1 and 68 towards South London. 2) ?? New stop at Brixton Station From what I believe, SL6 runs via Brixton on its non-stop section between Waterloo and West Norwood? Id like to propose the SL6 stop at Brixton Station as a major hotspot for people coming into Central London and for supporting the Viccy line, and the previous link left by route 59 (peaks only). 3) Run Mon-Sat service I think this route could run well beyond the peaks, and thing it could be holded with a bit more love. Maybe run at Peaks only during Saturdays, but mostly all day Mon-Fri. All days to run until 10/11PM? 4) Remodified timetable The route currently runs in the Russel Square direction only during AM ans West Croydon in PM. I’d propose it to run in both directions at all times in conjunction with Option 3. It's a commuter service and I'm afraid I don't think any of those suggestions are viable, no real need to extend it to Euston and no need for a stop in Brixton, buses can go that way or via the 68 route if need be and I don't think there's much likelihood of operating hours being extended.
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Post by bk10mfe on Mar 11, 2024 20:37:25 GMT
Restructure idea for south east London: B14/R6 - TFL's proposals to go ahead as planned. 138 - Extended from Bromley North to Eltham Station via the 162. Frequency increased to every 15 minutes. 162 - Withdrawn between Eltham and Chislehurst, and instead extended to Sidcup via the 269. Converted to DDs. 269 - Withdrawn between Bromley and Sidcup, and instead extended to Orpington via the 51. 51 - Withdrawn between Orpington and Sidcup. Also extended from Woolwich to North Greenwich via the 161, providing new links from North Greenwich to the Plumstead Common area. 126 - Extended from Eltham to Woolwich via the 161, and converted to DDs. Possible diversion via Grove Park Road (instead of Dunkery Road). 161 - Revised to operate between Eltham High Street and Orpington Station, replacing part of the 61. Frequency reduced to every 15 minutes. 61 - Revised to operate between Bromley North and Ramsden Estate, with the R9 withdrawn. Possible further change - 162 to swap with the 358 to the west of Park Langley, increasing capacity between Crystal Palace and Bromley. So in summary: 51 North Greenwich - Sidcup 61 Bromley North - Ramsden Estate 126 Woolwich - Bromley South 138 Coney Hall - Eltham 161 Eltham - Orpington 162 Crystal Palace - Sidcup 269 Bexleyheath - Orpington 358 Beckenham Junction - Orpington B14 Bexleyheath - Orpington (via Wooten Green) R6 & R9 Withdrawn Few comments from a locals perspective: 138 to Eltham... not a good idea... 138 works well from Coney Hall - Bromley - extending it to Eltham breaks its purpose and its loop may have to be restructured?. 162 doesn't need to go to Sidcup... there are more than enough routes around Chislehurst that serve Sidcup (160, 269, SL3) come to mind. Also Chislehurst/New Eltham will be left without a bus service so the 162 is actually necessary in the section. In fact I'd say that's the most important section of the 162 route. 269 doesn't need to go to Orpington- although the B14 is quite indirect from Bexleyheath to Orpington there's no need. 51 to North Greenwich is a big no no. 51 is designed to connect the North of SE London to the outskirts. Will also make it too unreliable even running from Sidcup. If people want to go to North Greenwich from Plumstead Common there are plenty of buses from Woolwich they can change from 51, 53 or 291. 126 has been mentioned many times and is a good idea however I'd keep the Dunkery Road section just so route 124 has some support. DD conversion would be justified. However 126 uses Westmount Road, Rochester Way, Well Hall Road then Academy Road via route 122. 161 should be kept as it is personally - and I'd make Eltham - Orpington as a new route - maybe 361. As 126 is "extended" to Woolwich in my eyes it wouldn't serve Queen Elizabeth Hospital as it'd be a bit indirect so 161 may still need to be kept so that people may have access to QEH and Charlton from Eltham. 361 would run from Eltham High Street using the stand space left from route 126 to Orpington via Mottingham, Chislehurst and then 61 LOR towards Orpington. 61 between Bromley N and Ramsden - this could work? Although the R9 is short it's there as a loop service to shuttle the residents of Ramsden to Orpington so I wouldn't tamper with the R9. There is the popular suggestion of sending the 61 to Ramsden Estate but via the 353 instead, then sending the 353 to Eltham via the 61/161, with the 161 being cut back to Eltham. Regarding a link between Plumstead Common & North Greenwich I believe rerouting the 422 is the easiest solution to this, but it would still need to serve Woolwich, also because I am unsure about the 53/54 being able to cope on their own.
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Post by mb171 on Mar 11, 2024 20:49:01 GMT
Few comments from a locals perspective: 138 to Eltham... not a good idea... 138 works well from Coney Hall - Bromley - extending it to Eltham breaks its purpose and its loop may have to be restructured?. 162 doesn't need to go to Sidcup... there are more than enough routes around Chislehurst that serve Sidcup (160, 269, SL3) come to mind. Also Chislehurst/New Eltham will be left without a bus service so the 162 is actually necessary in the section. In fact I'd say that's the most important section of the 162 route. 269 doesn't need to go to Orpington- although the B14 is quite indirect from Bexleyheath to Orpington there's no need. 51 to North Greenwich is a big no no. 51 is designed to connect the North of SE London to the outskirts. Will also make it too unreliable even running from Sidcup. If people want to go to North Greenwich from Plumstead Common there are plenty of buses from Woolwich they can change from 51, 53 or 291. 126 has been mentioned many times and is a good idea however I'd keep the Dunkery Road section just so route 124 has some support. DD conversion would be justified. However 126 uses Westmount Road, Rochester Way, Well Hall Road then Academy Road via route 122. 161 should be kept as it is personally - and I'd make Eltham - Orpington as a new route - maybe 361. As 126 is "extended" to Woolwich in my eyes it wouldn't serve Queen Elizabeth Hospital as it'd be a bit indirect so 161 may still need to be kept so that people may have access to QEH and Charlton from Eltham. 361 would run from Eltham High Street using the stand space left from route 126 to Orpington via Mottingham, Chislehurst and then 61 LOR towards Orpington. 61 between Bromley N and Ramsden - this could work? Although the R9 is short it's there as a loop service to shuttle the residents of Ramsden to Orpington so I wouldn't tamper with the R9. There is the popular suggestion of sending the 61 to Ramsden Estate but via the 353 instead, then sending the 353 to Eltham via the 61/161, with the 161 being cut back to Eltham. Regarding a link between Plumstead Common & North Greenwich I believe rerouting the 422 is the easiest solution to this, but it would still need to serve Woolwich, also because I am unsure about the 53/54 being able to cope on their own. Or 61 could become Ramsden Estate- Bromley North and 353 Chislehurst- Forestdale- I think Eltham would be a bit of a stretch. Rerouting the 422 to Plumstead Common won't fix anything as a large part of East Wickham will be left without a bus service. The 422 from that section also alleviates some pressure from the 96 as the 96 is quite busy. A route called the 291 literally exists as the shuttle route of Woolwich to Plumstead Common. A lot of people undermine it but its very important. As much as its good to make direct links from A to B it can't happen everywhere.
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Post by bk10mfe on Mar 11, 2024 21:12:49 GMT
There is the popular suggestion of sending the 61 to Ramsden Estate but via the 353 instead, then sending the 353 to Eltham via the 61/161, with the 161 being cut back to Eltham. Regarding a link between Plumstead Common & North Greenwich I believe rerouting the 422 is the easiest solution to this, but it would still need to serve Woolwich, also because I am unsure about the 53/54 being able to cope on their own. Or 61 could become Ramsden Estate- Bromley North and 353 Chislehurst- Forestdale- I think Eltham would be a bit of a stretch. Rerouting the 422 to Plumstead Common won't fix anything as a large part of East Wickham will be left without a bus service. The 422 from that section also alleviates some pressure from the 96 as the 96 is quite busy. A route called the 291 literally exists as the shuttle route of Woolwich to Plumstead Common. A lot of people undermine it but its very important. As much as its good to make direct links from A to B it can't happen everywhere. The 422 rerouting via Plumstead Common was specifically to directly link Plumstead Common to North Greenwich, though thinking about it now it is quite an indirect way, & I imagine people would likely prefer to get a 51/53/291 to Woolwich followed by the 161/180/472 to North Greenwich. I don’t disagree with you on the fact that the 291 is an important route. I think the 353 running Forestdale-Eltham could work & it introduces the Orpington-Eltham link that I can see that there is demand for.
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Post by rift on Mar 11, 2024 21:15:28 GMT
Restructure idea for south east London: B14/R6 - TFL's proposals to go ahead as planned. 138 - Extended from Bromley North to Eltham Station via the 162. Frequency increased to every 15 minutes. 162 - Withdrawn between Eltham and Chislehurst, and instead extended to Sidcup via the 269. Converted to DDs. 269 - Withdrawn between Bromley and Sidcup, and instead extended to Orpington via the 51. 51 - Withdrawn between Orpington and Sidcup. Also extended from Woolwich to North Greenwich via the 161, providing new links from North Greenwich to the Plumstead Common area. 126 - Extended from Eltham to Woolwich via the 161, and converted to DDs. Possible diversion via Grove Park Road (instead of Dunkery Road). 161 - Revised to operate between Eltham High Street and Orpington Station, replacing part of the 61. Frequency reduced to every 15 minutes. 61 - Revised to operate between Bromley North and Ramsden Estate, with the R9 withdrawn. Possible further change - 162 to swap with the 358 to the west of Park Langley, increasing capacity between Crystal Palace and Bromley. So in summary: 51 North Greenwich - Sidcup 61 Bromley North - Ramsden Estate 126 Woolwich - Bromley South 138 Coney Hall - Eltham 161 Eltham - Orpington 162 Crystal Palace - Sidcup 269 Bexleyheath - Orpington 358 Beckenham Junction - Orpington B14 Bexleyheath - Orpington (via Wooten Green) R6 & R9 Withdrawn How many buses does North Greenwich need to terminate there? The bus station is already at capacity and has been worsened since the 180 was sent there which I found totally unnecessary. I agree with extending the 126 to Woolwich, but not at the expense of the 161.
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