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Post by I-Azusio-I on Mar 16, 2024 14:39:29 GMT
If Simpsons Road can be used, I’d nominate the 199 to be extended there from Bellingham. It should have happened years ago. I may be in the minority about this, but as someone who is local to 199, I personally don't think that it needs to be extended to Bromley anymore. While the extension would sound interesting on paper, what about the reliability? 2010 and now is very different and over the years, 199 has grown heavily in usage. It has its own traffic hotspots to contend with now which has already made the service a bit shaky. Rotherhithe Tunnel will have a big impact on the route next year when the tolled Silvertown Tunnel opens, not to mention that Surrey Quays is now a big traffic zone because of the recently opened cycle lane. While the 208 and 320 arrangement could do with a bit of tweaking (buses not running behind each other), it has worked well and 199 connects to both routes at Lewisham and Catford/Bellingham. They all play their roles well. |
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Post by londonbuses184 on Mar 16, 2024 15:12:17 GMT
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 16, 2024 17:55:35 GMT
If Simpsons Road can be used, I’d nominate the 199 to be extended there from Bellingham. It should have happened years ago. I may be in the minority about this, but as someone who is local to 199, I personally don't think that it needs to be extended to Bromley anymore. While the extension would sound interesting on paper, what about the reliability? 2010 and now is very different and over the years, 199 has grown heavily in usage. It has its own traffic hotspots to contend with now which has already made the service a bit shaky. Rotherhithe Tunnel will have a big impact on the route next year when the tolled Silvertown Tunnel opens, not to mention that Surrey Quays is now a big traffic zone because of the recently opened cycle lane. While the 208 and 320 arrangement could do with a bit of tweaking (buses not running behind each other), it has worked well and 199 connects to both routes at Lewisham and Catford/Bellingham. They all play their roles well. Really it was back in 2004 even that the 199 was first proposed to run to Bromley North so even more of a different time. |
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Post by twobellstogo on Mar 16, 2024 21:54:52 GMT
If we were to get more Superloop routes, perhaps we should expect more radial routes rather than another orbital. I might get my crayons out and sketch out an inner circle and a very outer circle, just for fun, and then people can say how silly I am 🙃 |
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Post by Busboy105 on Mar 16, 2024 21:58:24 GMT
This SL11 goes through a lot of traffic hotspots |
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Post by vjaska on Mar 16, 2024 22:21:55 GMT
If we were to get more Superloop routes, perhaps we should expect more radial routes rather than another orbital. I might get my crayons out and sketch out an inner circle and a very outer circle, just for fun, and then people can say how silly I am 🙃 I know I've not heard your proposal but I don't think an inner circle would work TBH, an outer circle on the other hand might just do so. |
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Post by bk10mfe on Mar 16, 2024 22:31:52 GMT
Personally I would reroute the SL11 between Shepherds Bush & Wembley via the 220 & 18’s routings, it’s more direct this way, avoids the A40 which can very easily come to a halt with traffic & the 18 definitely benefits from having this route alongside it between Willesden & Wembley. If more capacity is needed on the A40, I would deck the 95 & 487 |
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Post by twobellstogo on Mar 16, 2024 22:42:41 GMT
I might get my crayons out and sketch out an inner circle and a very outer circle, just for fun, and then people can say how silly I am 🙃 I know I've not heard your proposal but I don't think an inner circle would work TBH, an outer circle on the other hand might just do so. I’m not sure it will work either but I’m going to do it anyway 😂 just don’t take it too seriously! |
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Post by vjaska on Mar 17, 2024 0:02:05 GMT
I know I've not heard your proposal but I don't think an inner circle would work TBH, an outer circle on the other hand might just do so. I’m not sure it will work either but I’m going to do it anyway 😂 just don’t take it too seriously! I'll try to restrain myself  |
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Post by londonbuses184 on Mar 17, 2024 12:57:38 GMT
Personally I would reroute the SL11 between Shepherds Bush & Wembley via the 220 & 18’s routings, it’s more direct this way, avoids the A40 which can very easily come to a halt with traffic & the 18 definitely benefits from having this route alongside it between Willesden & Wembley. If more capacity is needed on the A40, I would deck the 95 & 487 That is great thinking tbh. I have been begging for the 95 to be decked as well. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Mar 17, 2024 13:56:31 GMT
Ideas for the Beckton/Barking area in relation to the SL2:
SL2 - Withdrawn between North Woolwich and Barking (169 stand). To improve reliability, plus as anywhere south of Barking is unlikely to require the same frequency as the rest of the SL2.
366 - Withdrawn between Beckton and Gallions Reach DLR, and instead extended to North Woolwich Ferry - and ideally onwards to City Airport if stand space can be found.
169 - Extended from Barking to Beckton Station, via Barking Road, High Street South and Woolwich Manor Way. Replaces the 366's link from Beckton to Barking/Ilford, plus new local links from High Street South round to Barking.
262 - Withdrawn between Gallions Reach and Beckton (still double running to Beckton Bus Station), and instead extended to Barking Riverside, via the 173 then EL routes.
104 - Extended from Beckton to Gallions Reach Shopping Park.
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Post by mb171 on Mar 17, 2024 14:08:59 GMT
Some South East London proposals and changes -
61 rerouted to serve Ramsden Estate via 353 route. Route 361 replaces most of the 61 section between Orpington and Chislehurst.
126 extended to Woolwich from Eltham, High Street via Westmount Road (half-length), Rochester Way, Well Hall Road, Academy Road, Woolwich New Road and would stand where 178 stands currently. First stop departing from Woolwich to Bromley would be Calderwood Street. Converted to DD.
178 extended to Plumstead Station - I know what you're thinking, isn't Plumstead Road already overbussed? However this is to make stand space for route 126.
244 rerouted between Woolwich and Herbert Road - old section to be replaced by route 451.
335 extended to Bromley South - I've proposed this before and I don't know whether it would be useful but I think North Greenwich would benefit from a direct link to Bromley. Would be extended via A20 towards Mottingham, Grove Park Road then 126/261 LOR towards Bromley.
353 revised to start from Orpington Perry Hall Road rather than Ramsden Estate. This section would be replaced by route 61.
361 - new route from Eltham High Street to Princess Royal Hospital - would run via Mottingham, Chislehurst, (near) Petts Wood, Orpington and Princess Royal Hospital - replacing the 61 section between Chislehurst and Orpington.
451 - new route running between Woolwich and Foots Cray via Woolwich Common, Shooters Hill, Welling (will not serve the station but instead will turn right to serve Westwood Lane), Blackfen, Blendon, Bexley Village, Ruxley and Foots Cray.
So the following routes would become -
61 - Ramsden Estate to Bromley
126 - Woolwich, Monk Street - Bromley South
178 - Plumstead Station - Lewisham Station
335 - Bromley South - North Greenwich
353 - Orpington, Perry Hall Road - Forestdale
361 (new) - Princess Royal Hospital - Eltham High Street
451 (new) - Woolwich - Foots Cray Tesco
Overview
61 - I think the 61 can be a bit more useful than just be a U-shaped route. The proposed 361 will replace most of it anyway so there's not a missing gap between Chislehurst and Orpington. Chislehurst also has 162, 269, SL3 that link Bromley - Chislehurst much quicker. I think the 61 would be much better used if it were to serve Ramsden.
126 - this has been suggested many times and I think it should go ahead. I think it's beneficial as it will aid the 161 between Eltham High St and Woolwich - however it will be sent via Rochester Way and Westmount Road so that there is direct access from Woolwich/Shooters Hill to the High Street whereas 161's purpose is to serve the station. I'm not sure if it would overbus the Well Hall Road corridor but in the end the 126 would provide a good link in a reasonable period of time.
178 - like I said it would overbus the Plumstead - Woolwich section however it would relieve stand space for the 126.
335 - I didn't want to tamper with the 335 originally but extending it to Bromley would create new links between Bromley and Greenwich. The 335 would only be a good candidate as it's short but the main reason which it exists is because it is meant to create a quick link from Kidbrooke Estates to North Greenwich in a short amount of time. So extending it to Bromley would then break that purpose - however I believe that extending it to Bromley would make it useful.
353 - I had proposed to cut it back to Perry Hall Road just because 61 will replace that section so that Ramsden Estate does not become overbussed. However, I wanted to retain the link between Addington and Orpington so I decided to send it to terminate at Perry Hall Road.
361 - The idea of the 361 is to fill in the missing gap that the 61 left otherwise parts of Chislehurst, (near) Petts Wood would be left without a bus service as the 61 is the only route serving the majority of this section. Extending it via the 161 towards Eltham also provides Eltham and Orpington with a new link - rather than turning the 161 inside out so that it can run to Orpington, which is what I've seen proposed on this forum before.
451 - this route is mostly to support route 244 between Woolwich and Herbert Road, as 244 'cannot be double decked' the best option is to have support from another route. I'm not sure if it would be necessary to have it run all the way to Foots Cray or Ruxley however the tesco will also gain another route.
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Post by greenboy on Mar 17, 2024 14:21:33 GMT
Suggestions on another thread that the 45 may be curtailed at Camberwell Green but if it becomes any shorter it's likely to disappear completely, all a far cry from the Archway to South Kensington era.
Extending the 118 to Camberwell Green or Elephant & Castle would seem the obvious solution and maybe the 59 could be rerouted to Clapham Park as was previously proposed?
Another option would be rerouting the 171 from Camberwell Green to Clapham Park although the New Cross to Walworth Road link would be lost.
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Post by twobellstogo on Mar 17, 2024 14:54:35 GMT
Suggestions on another thread that the 45 may be curtailed at Camberwell Green but if it becomes any shorter it's likely to disappear completely, all a far cry from the Archway to South Kensington era. Extending the 118 to Camberwell Green or Elephant & Castle would seem the obvious solution and maybe the 59 could be rerouted to Clapham Park as was previously proposed? Another option would be rerouting the 171 from Camberwell Green to Clapham Park although the New Cross to Walworth Road link would be lost. To save me looking, can you direct me to the thread that mentions the 45 Camberwell curtailment? Thanks. |
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Post by greenboy on Mar 17, 2024 15:07:18 GMT
Suggestions on another thread that the 45 may be curtailed at Camberwell Green but if it becomes any shorter it's likely to disappear completely, all a far cry from the Archway to South Kensington era. Extending the 118 to Camberwell Green or Elephant & Castle would seem the obvious solution and maybe the 59 could be rerouted to Clapham Park as was previously proposed? Another option would be rerouting the 171 from Camberwell Green to Clapham Park although the New Cross to Walworth Road link would be lost. To save me looking, can you direct me to the thread that mentions the 45 Camberwell curtailment? Thanks. Go Ahead thread. If the 171 is rerouted to Clapham Park it would make sense to reroute the 345 to Elephant & Castle. |
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