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Post by Trafalgax on Apr 19, 2024 14:42:44 GMT
14: 24hr service replaced with a new night route. Also, extended from Putney Heath to Kingston via 85. 85: 24hr withdrawn. extending the 14 doesn’t make any sense seen as it just covers the 85, which as a service already is well used. it would also take forever to get to central in the day. it also wouldn’t be very useful imo as kingston already has a connection to central london at night through the N87. Just to be clear, I’m not talking about extending day 14. I'm talking about changing 14 from a 24hr route into a night route, so N14.
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Post by Trafalgax on Apr 19, 2024 14:43:50 GMT
14: 24hr service replaced with a new night route. Also, extended from Putney Heath to Kingston via 85. 85: 24hr withdrawn. The 14 has one of the busiest night elements of all 24hr routes, it seems to works fine as it is. All the more reason why I believe an extension to Kingston would be good.
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Post by Trafalgax on Apr 19, 2024 14:47:40 GMT
Is that so? If that's the case, then how delayed does the N85 get due to the A3 and Kingston Hill? It can of there’s an accident or rolling closure etc. They are better off separated. How often do those happen at night for an N14 to Kingston to be unreliable?
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Post by southlondon413 on Apr 19, 2024 14:49:04 GMT
It can of there’s an accident or rolling closure etc. They are better off separated. How often do those happen at night for an N14 to Kingston to be unreliable? Crossing central London through areas which are still fairly busy at night is enough to put a bullet in it. They are so much better as separate routes. I don’t need to be convinced otherwise.
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Post by Trafalgax on Apr 19, 2024 15:03:44 GMT
How often do those happen at night for an N14 to Kingston to be unreliable? Crossing central London through areas which are still fairly busy at night is enough to put a bullet in it. They are so much better as separate routes. I don’t need to be convinced otherwise. I’m only trying to understand your point. If roadworks/congestion at night was an issue, routes like N8, N89 and N207 wouldn't exist because they would be long enough to pass through those zones.
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Post by bk10mfe on Apr 19, 2024 15:21:38 GMT
14: 24hr service replaced with a new night route. Also, extended from Putney Heath to Kingston via 85. 85: 24hr withdrawn. I’m local to both of these routes they are better off the way they are & Kingston is already linked at night to central London via the N87.
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Post by bk10mfe on Apr 19, 2024 15:25:24 GMT
How often do those happen at night for an N14 to Kingston to be unreliable? Crossing central London through areas which are still fairly busy at night is enough to put a bullet in it. They are so much better as separate routes. I don’t need to be convinced otherwise. Agree with this, as previously mentioned by me there is also already the N87 linking Kingston to Central London, so I see no good reason to merge the 14(N) & 85(N). Putney does have quite a lot of night routes (14N, N22, 37N, N74, 85N & 93N) but they all serve various useful purposes. I remember there also used to be an N10 that was withdrawn in 2010.
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Post by greenboy on Apr 20, 2024 4:34:34 GMT
14: 24hr service replaced with a new night route. Also, extended from Putney Heath to Kingston via 85. 85: 24hr withdrawn. I agree with this, I don't see any logic in the 85 and 93 terminating at Putney Bridge Station at night when it's closed.
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Apr 20, 2024 6:36:47 GMT
Presumably the 481D school journeys operated by Transport UK will remain. I thought the 481Ds were moving to Metroline. I think that 3103 being ordered suggests otherwise.
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Post by LK65EBO on Apr 21, 2024 16:52:14 GMT
I thought the 481Ds were moving to Metroline. I think that 3103 being ordered suggests otherwise. 3103 was ordered for a PVR increase on the 111. This has nothing to do with the 481.
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Apr 21, 2024 17:40:51 GMT
I think that 3103 being ordered suggests otherwise. 3103 was ordered for a PVR increase on the 111. This has nothing to do with the 481. However, if the 481D was moving to Metroline, the 481D vehicles would likely have been able to cover the PVR increase on the 111, with no additional Electroliner required. The PVR at Metroline is also too low to incorporate the 481D.
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Post by twobellstogo on Apr 21, 2024 18:39:21 GMT
14: 24hr service replaced with a new night route. Also, extended from Putney Heath to Kingston via 85. 85: 24hr withdrawn. Would be completely unworkable, adding the A3 and Kingston Hill would completely decimate any sense of reliability. It’s better to keep them as two separate routes. Agree. Though I think a Superloop based on the 85 has some merit. Putney Bridge - Putney Station - Putney Heath - fast to the Kingston University site on Kingston Hill - Norbiton Church - Kingston - maybe further south
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Post by kmkcheng on Apr 21, 2024 18:58:45 GMT
3103 was ordered for a PVR increase on the 111. This has nothing to do with the 481. However, if the 481D was moving to Metroline, the 481D vehicles would likely have been able to cover the PVR increase on the 111, with no additional Electroliner required. The PVR at Metroline is also too low to incorporate the 481D. The 481D is staying with TUK
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 21, 2024 19:31:05 GMT
However, if the 481D was moving to Metroline, the 481D vehicles would likely have been able to cover the PVR increase on the 111, with no additional Electroliner required. The PVR at Metroline is also too low to incorporate the 481D. The 481D is staying with TUK I'm surprised its not given a different number as its in effect a separate contract.
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Post by londonbuses on Apr 21, 2024 21:51:56 GMT
The 690 is one of a couple of school services which really should run all day (and it did in a past life in the form of the 189), although I'm not sure which extension at the western end of the route would be the most useful, so would appreciate anyone's opinions on the best option:
OPTION 1 - 489 Wandsworth to West Norwood (4bph DD) Follows the 690 between West Norwood and Burntwood School, then runs to Wandsworth via the rest of Burntwood Lane and Garratt Lane. Stands on Ram Street, with the 485 extended to Southside.
OPTION 2 - 489 Wimbledon to West Norwood (4bph DD) Follows the 690 between West Norwood and Burntwood School, then runs to Wimbledon via the rest of Burntwood Lane, Garratt Lane, Summerstown, Plough Lane, Haydons Road and Queens Road. Stands on Francis Grove, with the 219 extended to Wimbledon War Memorial.
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