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Post by greenboy on Apr 19, 2020 19:17:58 GMT
Correct. My dad did it on more than one occasion when the 453 was diverted So they could have kept the 12 running through. I guess even back in 2004 switching the 12 to the 390 to NHG removed a route from Oxford street and as said before the 390 did provide some new links to TCR and Euston/Kings X. Artics could not safely do the left turn from Regent Street into Oxford Street although it may have been possible when the road was quiet, a driver on the 73 said they were told not to attempt it and go via Margaret Street and John Princes Street which was OK for a diversion route but not really practical for a regular service. |
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Post by greenboy on Apr 19, 2020 19:20:19 GMT
Apparently the Dulwich section was nearly lost as the residents objected to the bendys having to use a different road to stand. I don't remember them using a different road at Dulwich? |
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 19, 2020 19:23:34 GMT
Maybe I'm mistaken and it stayed on the same road and it was that road that there were objections from the residents.
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Post by greenboy on Apr 19, 2020 19:33:08 GMT
Maybe I'm mistaken and it stayed on the same road and it was that road that there were objections from the residents. I think the stand on Lordship Lane was installed for artics, maybe that's what residents objected to? |
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 19, 2020 19:43:42 GMT
London bus routes mentions the possibility of the cutback to Peckham due to a reversal of the standing arrangements.
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Post by Paul on Apr 19, 2020 19:48:44 GMT
So they could have kept the 12 running through. I guess even back in 2004 switching the 12 to the 390 to NHG removed a route from Oxford street and as said before the 390 did provide some new links to TCR and Euston/Kings X. Artics could not safely do the left turn from Regent Street into Oxford Street although it may have been possible when the road was quiet, a driver on the 73 said they were told not to attempt it and go via Margaret Street and John Princes Street which was OK for a diversion route but not really practical for a regular service. If it was unsafe to make the turn then my father, with around 20 years bus driving experience at that time, would not have done it. The problem with those buses was people with no experience of driving them telling drivers what they could and couldn’t do with them. My dad drove them every day for five years and knew exactly how manoeuvrable they were and exactly where they could and couldn’t go. He was even showing Go Ahead drivers how to drive them after Stagecoach lost the 453 |
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Post by greenboy on Apr 19, 2020 19:53:02 GMT
Artics could not safely do the left turn from Regent Street into Oxford Street although it may have been possible when the road was quiet, a driver on the 73 said they were told not to attempt it and go via Margaret Street and John Princes Street which was OK for a diversion route but not really practical for a regular service. If it was unsafe to make the turn then my father, with around 20 years bus driving experience at that time, would not have done it. The problem with those buses was people with no experience of driving them telling drivers what they could and couldn’t do with them. My dad drove them every day for five years and knew exactly how manoeuvrable they were and exactly where they could and couldn’t go. He was even showing Go Ahead drivers how to drive them after Stagecoach lost the 453 Well I can only tell you what the 73 driver told me and that's they had been told not to attempt it and go via Margaret Street and John Princess Street. |
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Post by Paul on Apr 19, 2020 19:58:11 GMT
If it was unsafe to make the turn then my father, with around 20 years bus driving experience at that time, would not have done it. The problem with those buses was people with no experience of driving them telling drivers what they could and couldn’t do with them. My dad drove them every day for five years and knew exactly how manoeuvrable they were and exactly where they could and couldn’t go. He was even showing Go Ahead drivers how to drive them after Stagecoach lost the 453 Well I can only tell you what the 73 driver told me and that's they had been told not to attempt it and go via Margaret Street and John Princess Street. Like I said, drivers were told by people with no experience of driving them what those buses could or couldn’t do and in many cases drivers just blindly accepted what they were told. On a number of occasions my dad proved driving instructors at Stagecoach wrong with regards the abilities of those buses and also proved people at CentreComm wrong as well |
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Post by greenboy on Apr 19, 2020 20:03:00 GMT
Well I can only tell you what the 73 driver told me and that's they had been told not to attempt it and go via Margaret Street and John Princess Street. Like I said, drivers were told by people with no experience of driving them what those buses could or couldn’t do and in many cases drivers just blindly accepted what they were told. On a number of occasions my dad proved driving instructors at Stagecoach wrong with regards the abilities of those buses and also proved people at CentreComm wrong as well Well I would imagine at busy times the left turn would have been difficult. It would be OK now as the road layout has changed. |
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Post by Paul on Apr 19, 2020 20:06:04 GMT
Like I said, drivers were told by people with no experience of driving them what those buses could or couldn’t do and in many cases drivers just blindly accepted what they were told. On a number of occasions my dad proved driving instructors at Stagecoach wrong with regards the abilities of those buses and also proved people at CentreComm wrong as well Well I would imagine at busy times the left turn would have been difficult. It would be OK now as the road layout has changed. Plenty of turns that are difficult when there’s traffic about. I spend my days driving little buses and even then there are a number of occasions where I need to take a bit of the other side of the road to make it round |
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Apr 19, 2020 20:11:22 GMT
I thought the same with the 12. I can't remember where they used to stand. In fairness the 12 was going to change anyways due to the overlapping sections thou i guess it could have become Dulwich to NHG through. The 12 had been NHG to Dulwich for c10 years before conversion to bendybus. They were straight through late evenings and Sunday. Before the bendies arrived, the 12 used to stand in Etherow Street with Route 40 opposite a primary school. This changed to two stands in Friern Road and Lordship Lane, which are residential. The Friern Road stand is the more controversial of the two. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 20:12:39 GMT
Always thought the 115 would have been ideal - a nice long straight route but not sure about the East Ham terminus being suitable.
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 19, 2020 20:21:36 GMT
Tfl are a bit more persistent with getting bendys on routes compared with LTs. There were a few stand re modellings and even new garages like LV. With LTs if the route is not suitable it didn't get them.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Apr 19, 2020 21:46:40 GMT
Would the bendies have been able to make the left turn from Regent Street to Oxford Street on the 94? I thought this was the reason the 12 was originally curtailed. Would have been interesting seeing the bendies perform the u-turn on the 279 at Manor House, not sure the bus station at Waltham Cross would have accommodated them either That turn was tight with a 10.5m TA mainly watching the rear offside overhang. If the lane was straddled then there was no problem. I cant see any reason why a bendy couldn't make that turn, although it would be very tight if it didn't straddle lanes. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Apr 19, 2020 22:08:37 GMT
After it was mentioned that the 94 was considered for bendy bus operation with a garage in North Acton. We also know the 134 was considered. The 279 was also a candidate but not sure why it didn't go ahead. Does anybody know anymore routes that were considered? Whilst it was felt that the 29 was the last logical route were anymore after 2006 considered? The 253 was considered. |
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