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Post by vjaska on Dec 18, 2021 11:29:36 GMT
With Lockdown 4, that's very likely. There's talk of another conference today as a rattled Boris ups the ante on the virus. I was working near Regent Street (Soho) yesterday and the place is deserted. Only people walking around were Westminster City wardens in their hi viz, but very few people for them to assist (not their dark clothed traffic colleagues BTW). A further drop in numbers in all modes will kill off TfL's hopes of managing itself. Usually when the body is ill, the core is kept going to fight infection, but with TfL, it's the reverse with buses more busy on the outskirts Not many will bother with next week, and with schools broken up, and those with money already off on winter breaks abroad, I can see another bleak winter ahead. Expect bus capacity slashed again as we go backwards. People paying for ULEZ won't want to pay extra council tax to keep TfL alive. It's time to turn the machine off. Let DfT run it, they seem to manage with the train franchises which collapsed. I blame TfL. Their strategy for a while has been deliberately anti bus, anti road traffic, pro cycling, pro walking. They’ve made decisions that directly turned people away from spending money using their services. Then covid hit, obviously making it all ten times worse. I’m sure it’s more complicated than that, but let’s face it, they have done precious little to enhance and improve bus travel over the last 5 or so years. We do still have a very extensive and intensive bus service in most areas. I do see that coming to an end, with evening and Sunday services cut , and some route withdrawals. I think cross boundary routes are particularly vulnerable given dual funding. I can’t see any LAs agreeing to pay more to keep routes like the 465 afloat. It’s hard to be optimistic really. I don’t know enough about how the dft would run things, but based on how they’ve thus far run SEastern Rail, your suggestion above probably isn’t a bad shout. I’d trust a 5 year old before trusting Schapps and the DfT with the network because they would only use it as an excuse to cut even more than what’s happening now
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Post by ServerKing on Dec 18, 2021 13:48:21 GMT
I blame TfL. Their strategy for a while has been deliberately anti bus, anti road traffic, pro cycling, pro walking. They’ve made decisions that directly turned people away from spending money using their services. Then covid hit, obviously making it all ten times worse. I’m sure it’s more complicated than that, but let’s face it, they have done precious little to enhance and improve bus travel over the last 5 or so years. We do still have a very extensive and intensive bus service in most areas. I do see that coming to an end, with evening and Sunday services cut , and some route withdrawals. I think cross boundary routes are particularly vulnerable given dual funding. I can’t see any LAs agreeing to pay more to keep routes like the 465 afloat. It’s hard to be optimistic really. I don’t know enough about how the dft would run things, but based on how they’ve thus far run SEastern Rail, your suggestion above probably isn’t a bad shout. I agree about DfT taking over bus provision. Whilst there's nothing wrong with TfL encouraging walking and cycling, many other capital cities around the world are doing the same, surely there is a clear conflict of interest in a bus service provider doing that? New cycling laws (that will allow someone on a pushbike to ride directly in front of a car or bus if they believe it's 'safer' ) will further hamper progress, on top of speed limits that bring traffic down to cycling speeds. So far the outskirts have avoided this, but TfL say every journey matters but it seems those journeys are getting worse I went down the "24hr Jabathon" for my booster and my energy levels went off a cliff 10 minutes of having the injection, perhaps these side effects of TfL losing more customers under its existing chaotic business model by January 23 will be worse? All existing government chaos has meant the public don't really care or are aware of the issues, but things have deteriorated since the so-called Year Of The Bus, the only highlights being LED blinds (still trying to forget the awful branding attempts )
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 24, 2021 12:16:44 GMT
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 24, 2021 12:30:34 GMT
I am all for the extension. I am totally against the price. It has got to be astronomically stupid now the prices to build these lines and wonder if these rip of prices are because these companies can fleece the government. I remember the Chinese was saying they could have built HS2 for much cheaper and deliver it within a third of the time.
It is utterly disgusting that it can cost 3 billion imoLondon Underground: Bakerloo line extension to Lewisham scrapped and commuters are furiousSadiq Khan told London the Tube extension 'won’t be happening'www.mylondon.news/news/south-london-news/london-underground-bakerloo-line-extension-22531562
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Post by southlondon413 on Jan 13, 2022 8:01:38 GMT
Kahns PR machine is out early this time. An article posted on January 11th already has his moaning about the lack of TfL funding, its impact on London and of course how bad the tories are for London. Perhaps he should spend more time working constructively with the government rather than attacking it at every opportunity. As they say don’t bite the hand that feeds you. www.mylondon.news/news/sadiq-khan-london-transport-still-22718221
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Post by vjaska on Jan 13, 2022 13:03:49 GMT
Kahns PR machine is out early this time. An article posted on January 11th already has his moaning about the lack of TfL funding, its impact on London and of course how bad the tories are for London. Perhaps he should spend more time working constructively with the government rather than attacking it at every opportunity. As they say don’t bite the hand that feeds you. www.mylondon.news/news/sadiq-khan-london-transport-still-22718221The government are also to blame in this - their behaviour hasn’t been great either when it’s come to actually getting around the table for a discussion.
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Post by southlondon413 on Jan 13, 2022 13:31:51 GMT
Kahns PR machine is out early this time. An article posted on January 11th already has his moaning about the lack of TfL funding, its impact on London and of course how bad the tories are for London. Perhaps he should spend more time working constructively with the government rather than attacking it at every opportunity. As they say don’t bite the hand that feeds you. www.mylondon.news/news/sadiq-khan-london-transport-still-22718221The government are also to blame in this - their behaviour hasn’t been great either when it’s come to actually getting around the table for a discussion. Whilst there is likely some truth to that, it doesn’t change that fact that Khan’s approach is frankly obstructive to his end goal of securing additional funding. All he is doing is fuelling the fire against him whilst simultaneously proving that he really doesn’t know what he is doing. It is one thing to be critical of government but to trash them whilst begging for money just seems foolish.
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Post by wirewiper on Jan 13, 2022 16:24:56 GMT
The government are also to blame in this - their behaviour hasn’t been great either when it’s come to actually getting around the table for a discussion. Whilst there is likely some truth to that, it doesn’t change that fact that Khan’s approach is frankly obstructive to his end goal of securing additional funding. All he is doing is fuelling the fire against him whilst simultaneously proving that he really doesn’t know what he is doing. It is one thing to be critical of government but to trash them whilst begging for money just seems foolish. Khan is also a lobbyist, an Opposition politician and the person that Londoners have voted for to lead and represent their city. As such he is right to spell out what TfL needs and the consequences of the Government not providing it - especially when the fallout could affect more than just London. Andy Byford, the head of TfL, has done a lot of work on this drawing on his experiences in New York, where he also took on a transport system that had gone though years of Managed Decline which was hampering the very functioning of that city. Personally if he wasn't speaking out, I would wonder what he was doing.
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Post by southlondon413 on Jan 13, 2022 17:14:45 GMT
Whilst there is likely some truth to that, it doesn’t change that fact that Khan’s approach is frankly obstructive to his end goal of securing additional funding. All he is doing is fuelling the fire against him whilst simultaneously proving that he really doesn’t know what he is doing. It is one thing to be critical of government but to trash them whilst begging for money just seems foolish. Khan is also a lobbyist, an Opposition politician and the person that Londoners have voted for to lead and represent their city. As such he is right to spell out what TfL needs and the consequences of the Government not providing it - especially when the fallout could affect more than just London. Andy Byford, the head of TfL, has done a lot of work on this drawing on his experiences in New York, where he also took on a transport system that had gone though years of Managed Decline which was hampering the very functioning of that city. Personally if he wasn't speaking out, I would wonder what he was doing. Would you rather he actually be working on trying to resolve key issues in London like crime, transport, pollution etc instead of just spilling rhetoric about how it isn’t his fault and central government is solely to blame? It’s tiresome and I would rather he get on to try and win round the 7.75 million+ of who didn’t vote for him for mayor. I’m just hoping we can oust him for someone different, regardless of party associations, in 2024.
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Post by wirewiper on Jan 13, 2022 18:05:55 GMT
Khan is also a lobbyist, an Opposition politician and the person that Londoners have voted for to lead and represent their city. As such he is right to spell out what TfL needs and the consequences of the Government not providing it - especially when the fallout could affect more than just London. Andy Byford, the head of TfL, has done a lot of work on this drawing on his experiences in New York, where he also took on a transport system that had gone though years of Managed Decline which was hampering the very functioning of that city. Personally if he wasn't speaking out, I would wonder what he was doing. Would you rather he actually be working on trying to resolve key issues in London like crime, transport, pollution etc instead of just spilling rhetoric about how it isn’t his fault and central government is solely to blame? It’s tiresome and I would rather he get on to try and win round the 7.75 million+ of who didn’t vote for him for mayor. I’m just hoping we can oust him for someone different, regardless of party associations, in 2024. He is trying to resolve those issues, but he can't do it all on his own and the Government needs to play its part by providing adequate funding, as it does with every other local authority and devolved administration in the UK. Khan also has a lobbying, spokesperson and advocacy role, as the elected leader of London.
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Post by southlondon413 on Jan 13, 2022 19:14:17 GMT
Would you rather he actually be working on trying to resolve key issues in London like crime, transport, pollution etc instead of just spilling rhetoric about how it isn’t his fault and central government is solely to blame? It’s tiresome and I would rather he get on to try and win round the 7.75 million+ of who didn’t vote for him for mayor. I’m just hoping we can oust him for someone different, regardless of party associations, in 2024. He is trying to resolve those issues, but he can't do it all on his own and the Government needs to play its part by providing adequate funding, as it does with every other local authority and devolved administration in the UK. Khan also has a lobbying, spokesperson and advocacy role, as the elected leader of London. Yet he does nothing to champion London or try anything innovate to improve London in the face of funding issues. Here’s a new nickname for Kahn, Mayor Maintainer.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jan 13, 2022 19:22:25 GMT
He is trying to resolve those issues, but he can't do it all on his own and the Government needs to play its part by providing adequate funding, as it does with every other local authority and devolved administration in the UK. Khan also has a lobbying, spokesperson and advocacy role, as the elected leader of London. Yet he does nothing to champion London or try anything innovate to improve London in the face of funding issues. Here’s a new nickname for Kahn, Mayor Maintainer. Is he meant to magic money out of the drainage system or something? Or maybe just pay for TfL himself? This is the fault of Central Government now, if Khan had the money, but was running the network into the ground then you can blame him. However he does not have the money as people have stopped travelling, naturally when you don't have the money you strip back on what you provide to keep the rest running. Central Government has the option to fund and the ball is now in their court to provide this funding. However the issue is the party animals in Government are trying to use this as a political football in order to run TfL into the ground in an attempt to win the next GLA election. No matter what happens is unless either the government provide funding, or people actually decide to return to using public transport then there is no other option but a managed decline. Many people I know aren't planning to return to public transport on the tube, and everyone I know is just planning to drive to work when the Northern Line closes and park at the CC boundary rather than using public transport. When this is the case TfL no doubt suffer financially.
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Post by southlondon413 on Jan 13, 2022 19:43:36 GMT
Yet he does nothing to champion London or try anything innovate to improve London in the face of funding issues. Here’s a new nickname for Kahn, Mayor Maintainer. Is he meant to magic money out of the drainage system or something? Or maybe just pay for TfL himself? This is the fault of Central Government now, if Khan had the money, but was running the network into the ground then you can blame him. However he does not have the money as people have stopped travelling, naturally when you don't have the money you strip back on what you provide to keep the rest running. Central Government has the option to fund and the ball is now in their court to provide this funding. However the issue is the party animals in Government are trying to use this as a political football in order to run TfL into the ground in an attempt to win the next GLA election. No matter what happens is unless either the government provide funding, or people actually decide to return to using public transport then there is no other option but a managed decline. Many people I know aren't planning to return to public transport on the tube, and everyone I know is just planning to drive to work when the Northern Line closes and park at the CC boundary rather than using public transport. When this is the case TfL no doubt suffer financially. I’m not taking about TfL, I’m talking about other areas also within his control that he has failed on.
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Post by greenboy on Jan 13, 2022 20:00:34 GMT
Would you rather he actually be working on trying to resolve key issues in London like crime, transport, pollution etc instead of just spilling rhetoric about how it isn’t his fault and central government is solely to blame? It’s tiresome and I would rather he get on to try and win round the 7.75 million+ of who didn’t vote for him for mayor. I’m just hoping we can oust him for someone different, regardless of party associations, in 2024. He is trying to resolve those issues, but he can't do it all on his own and the Government needs to play its part by providing adequate funding, as it does with every other local authority and devolved administration in the UK. Khan also has a lobbying, spokesperson and advocacy role, as the elected leader of London. Wouldn't it be simpler if the DfT take over and Mr Khan can get on with tackling knife crime etc?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jan 13, 2022 20:06:16 GMT
He is trying to resolve those issues, but he can't do it all on his own and the Government needs to play its part by providing adequate funding, as it does with every other local authority and devolved administration in the UK. Khan also has a lobbying, spokesperson and advocacy role, as the elected leader of London. Wouldn't it be simpler if the DfT take over and Mr Khan can get on with tackling knife crime etc? When the GLA was introduced it was agreed TfL was part of the mayor's jurisdiction, changing that without a public vote would be undemocratic. The people in London voted for Labour control so they get Labour control. The knife crime issue is more so the fault of the Home Office rather than Khan. What's Khan meant to do if the Home Office don't give him the resources?
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