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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 26, 2020 20:39:53 GMT
I wonder if we could see any of the big groups selling up in London if routes are cut and margins are even tighter. Maybe HCT will pull out of London, sell to Tower Transit who would close HK and reallocate routes to AW & LI. Arriva may then mothball CT and move routes to AE. A precedent here is that, after HCT subsidiary MCT lost a load of routes in Manchester & Oldham, they closed their operation last weekend with remaining routes, mainly in Stockport & Trafford, passing to Rotala Diamond. I doubt Stagecoach would buy any extra London operations as, according to May's Buses magazine page 7, they are not currently looking into any acquistions. You really want HCT to pull out of London don't you  Certainly to the first time you've mentioned it. |
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Post by TB123 on Apr 26, 2020 20:41:21 GMT
I wonder if we could see any of the big groups selling up in London if routes are cut and margins are even tighter. Maybe HCT will pull out of London, sell to Tower Transit who would close HK and reallocate routes to AW & LI. Arriva may then mothball CT and move routes to AE. A precedent here is that, after HCT subsidiary MCT lost a load of routes in Manchester & Oldham, they closed their operation last weekend with remaining routes, mainly in Stockport & Trafford, passing to Rotala Diamond. I doubt Stagecoach would buy any extra London operations as, according to May's Buses magazine page 7, they are not currently looking into any acquistions. Why would HCT pull out of London? They've got a sound business here. It generates a good surplus to be ploughed into community transport and travel training. Why change that!? |
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Post by 15002 on Apr 26, 2020 20:48:40 GMT
Maybe HCT will pull out of London, sell to Tower Transit who would close HK and reallocate routes to AW & LI. Arriva may then mothball CT and move routes to AE. A precedent here is that, after HCT subsidiary MCT lost a load of routes in Manchester & Oldham, they closed their operation last weekend with remaining routes, mainly in Stockport & Trafford, passing to Rotala Diamond. I doubt Stagecoach would buy any extra London operations as, according to May's Buses magazine page 7, they are not currently looking into any acquistions. Why would HCT pull out of London? They've got a sound business here. It generates a good surplus to be ploughed into community transport and travel training. Why change that!? Some people here just love to speculate either garage closures or operators selling  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 20:51:06 GMT
Why would HCT pull out of London? They've got a sound business here. It generates a good surplus to be ploughed into community transport and travel training. Why change that!? Some people here just love to speculate either garage closures or operators selling Sorry that was me that posted the original suggestion. I was just thinking long term and how different things will be in the future.
Never wanted to create needless speculation.
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Post by SILENCED on Apr 26, 2020 20:55:13 GMT
I wonder if we could see any of the big groups selling up in London if routes are cut and margins are even tighter. Maybe HCT will pull out of London, sell to Tower Transit who would close HK and reallocate routes to AW & LI. Arriva may then mothball CT and move routes to AE. A precedent here is that, after HCT subsidiary MCT lost a load of routes in Manchester & Oldham, they closed their operation last weekend with remaining routes, mainly in Stockport & Trafford, passing to Rotala Diamond. I doubt Stagecoach would buy any extra London operations as, according to May's Buses magazine page 7, they are not currently looking into any acquistions. But at the same time HCT have won a number of tenders just across the Pennines in Huddersfield so doesn't really add up. MCT were in a bad way when HCT purchased them. They thought they could turn things around, but realised the job was to big for them, that is why they are quitting Manchester ... the London operations do not appear to be in such a predicament. |
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Post by Alex on Apr 26, 2020 20:55:55 GMT
Stagecoach South West has a "Niterider" ticket which offers unlimited travel on all their services after 19.00 for £3. For a lot of journeys this is cheaper than the single fare. Stagecoach in Basingstoke certainly had that before I moved away, at the time the NightRider was not much more than a single on most routes! Just looked again, the Basingstoke DayRider is £4.60 while the Stagecoach South NightRider is £2.50, valid over the whole Stagecoach South area. Starting from Basingstoke at 19:00 you wouldn't get across the whole county, but there's the 76 to Andover which it would be valid on. There's other parts in the area (thinking Chichester and Portsmouth areas initially) where for £2.50 you could get a long way. As for London, I would like to see more enforcement of the £30 lockdown fine - with BTP checking if people are on essential journeys. If not, the £30 fine goes into the pot where the fares would have gone to try and make up some of the difference  |
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Post by SILENCED on Apr 26, 2020 20:56:19 GMT
Get rid of all the diesel double deckers. That would be a massive service cut! |
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Post by TB123 on Apr 26, 2020 20:57:53 GMT
Stagecoach South West has a "Niterider" ticket which offers unlimited travel on all their services after 19.00 for £3. For a lot of journeys this is cheaper than the single fare. Stagecoach in Basingstoke certainly had that before I moved away, at the time the NightRider was not much more than a single on most routes! Just looked again, the Basingstoke DayRider is £4.60 while the Stagecoach South NightRider is £2.50, valid over the whole Stagecoach South area. Starting from Basingstoke at 19:00 you wouldn't get across the whole county, but there's the 76 to Andover which it would be valid on. There's other parts in the area (thinking Chichester and Portsmouth areas initially) where for £2.50 you could get a long way. As for London, I would like to see more enforcement of the £30 lockdown fine - with BTP checking if people are on essential journeys. If not, the £30 fine goes into the pot where the fares would have gone to try and make up some of the difference At Metrobus in Crawley we do a £4.10 (50p extra on-bus) Crawley evening metrorider. It's similar to what the low cost airlines do - there's enough demand to run those services commercially but room to get a bit more profit out of them. So we offer cheap tickets and sell those empty spaces, improving the viability of those services and network etc |
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Post by COBO on Apr 26, 2020 21:16:21 GMT
N87 cut back to every 20 minutes possible 30 minutes 38 cut back to every 12 minutes 5 cut back to every 10 minutes 18 cut back every 15 minutes also withdrawn between Sudbury and Wembley Were would the 18 stand in Wembley? |
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Post by ServerKing on Apr 26, 2020 21:35:21 GMT
N87 cut back to every 20 minutes possible 30 minutes 38 cut back to every 12 minutes 5 cut back to every 10 minutes 18 cut back every 15 minutes also withdrawn between Sudbury and Wembley Were would the 18 stand in Wembley? They could turn at Ealing Road, into Chaplin Road and park at the soon to be built Dianne Abbott Accounting School on Napier Road, near the statue of Matt Hancock that was installed after he brought an end to Lockdown in May 2022  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 21:44:41 GMT
N87 cut back to every 20 minutes possible 30 minutes 38 cut back to every 12 minutes 5 cut back to every 10 minutes 18 cut back every 15 minutes also withdrawn between Sudbury and Wembley I think the 5 would really struggle at every 10 minutes even if things are not the same once we start returning to normal. The 18 would not cope at that frequency. i don’t think many of these dire predictions will happen. |
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Post by george on Apr 26, 2020 21:48:22 GMT
N87 cut back to every 20 minutes possible 30 minutes 38 cut back to every 12 minutes 5 cut back to every 10 minutes 18 cut back every 15 minutes also withdrawn between Sudbury and Wembley I never really like to talk about routes I don't use as I just think it's unfair but I can't imagine cutting the N87 down to every 30 minutes is a good idea. The route runs on it's own for much of it's journey so in terms of support it doesn't get a lot. |
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Post by COBO on Apr 26, 2020 22:14:05 GMT
It's hard to predict what will happen maybe less people with will stay at home and not use public transport. I predict that bus routes get shorter. I predict that there will be more bus routes merging.I predict that more routes will get discontinued. I predict that there another massive overhaul of bus routes like has happened in North west and Central London recently. It's just hard to predict.
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Post by Alex on Apr 26, 2020 22:45:57 GMT
It's hard to predict what will happen maybe less people with will stay at home and not use public transport. I predict that bus routes get shorter. I predict that there will be more bus routes merging.I predict that more routes will get discontinued. I predict that there another massive overhaul of bus routes like has happened in North west and Central London recently. It's just hard to predict. Just thinking that routes merging would make them longer, and I would agree that merging would discontinue some routes in the process. On paper if you could merge routes this would be better from a perspective that duties would be more efficient because the amount of stand time at each end would be decreased (instead of two routes with two lots at each end, just one route with one lot at each end for example). Gets a bit tricky where the headway differs on parts of the route. I remember discussing on here what could happen before the 5, 15, 115 and N15 result came out. One scenario was making most of it into one long 5 from Aldgate to Romford - apart from the length which could suffer, another problem was that the frequency between Canning Town and East Ham was higher due to the 115 running on that bit and the 5 starting at Canning Town. If passenger levels could give a 'one size fits all' frequency then there might be avenues for this, it is indeed very hard to predict and the network in a few years might have a few big changes vice today. |
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Post by Alex on Apr 27, 2020 1:33:49 GMT
Re engined with a DB250 unit from DW144, Arriva London Central's Former Demonstrator SW201 is seen at a bus rally shortly after Lockdown has ended on a dreary day in September 2022 I love the dig at someones mum and the git reference on the number plate |
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Certainly to the first time you've mentioned it.
