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Post by Paul on May 25, 2020 20:16:30 GMT
Is anyone able to provide any feedback as to how fare collections are coming along ... are the majority of those meant to be paying actually doing it? I had absolutely no problems today on the R7 - but to be honest, I wasn’t really expecting any! Only two people had no pass and both were elderly and unaware of the change in Oyster tap ins |
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Post by snowman on May 29, 2020 12:01:33 GMT
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Post by george on May 29, 2020 12:06:45 GMT
page 35 talks about the night tube. Received news about the future of the night tube yesterday. |
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Post by redbus on Jun 17, 2020 20:19:21 GMT
I think page 26 is quite enlightening. It seems the government is to blame for the temporary removal of free travel for the over 60s in the peaks and for children all day, while the proposed changes to the congestion charge are the Mayors doing.
Personally I agree with the temporary removal of free travel for the over 60s in the peaks, but the rest of it makes little sense. For example to restart the economy we need people back at work, they can't be back at work if their children are at home, so schools need to be re-opened and children need to be able to get to school - and that means buses. We should not be penalising parents for sending their kids to school by bus.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 20:35:22 GMT
I think page 26 is quite enlightening. It seems the government is to blame for the temporary removal of free travel for the over 60s in the peaks and for children all day, while the proposed changes to the congestion are the Mayors doing. Personally I agree with the temporary removal of free travel for the over 60s in the peaks, but the rest of it makes little sense. For example to restart the economy we need people back at work, they can't be back at work if their children are at home, so schools need to be re-opened and children need to be able to get to school - and that means buses. We should not be penalising parents for sending their kids to school by bus. Here is the problem. I don’t think peak hours will be the same again for months, maybe years. All that revenue gone. Season tickets won’t be renewed. Working from home has become ingrained in national psyche . I’ve heard some who have had to come into work are a nervous wreck. There is nothing to entertain anyone in London, it is a ghost town entertainment wise. It’s very sad. Its as if if people aren’t leaving their towns. So locally people are moving about, but not pan London. Im not normally a pessimist, but I really can’t see how (or why) TfL will continue to lay on intensive services when they’re not being used, especially in Zone 1. I had to travel to Heathrow today for work, coming home, leaving Heathrow at about 1430, I was the only person in a carriage on the Piccadilly Line up to Barons Court. By Kings Cross, we reached 7. Random observation and it was off peak, but didn’t think it would be that quiet, and the shops are open !! i see the Red Arrow routes going , these can be easily covered by an extension of the C1 over the 507. The 4 could return to Waterloo and the 17 could get a frequency increase . The Se buses could be redeployed on routes like the 1 and or 188. 521s are leaving London Bridge empty, |
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Post by Alex on Jun 17, 2020 21:13:55 GMT
The general feeling within the people I've been speaking to is that the network is going to go back 20 years (after everything has calmed down). As we know in the last 10-15 years passenger numbers really took off and the levels went through the roof. I can see service levels (and passenger numbers) going back to the late 1990s with far less services on evenings/Sundays and even the peaks watered down due to the issues mentioned in the post above mine. Staff will have a higher chance of not getting replaced as they retire/move on and several projects both on rail and streets will either be cut short or cancelled due to less demand taking the reason for it away, and the cost.
Already hearing that there's a real chance of the SSR tube resignalling not going to the west end of the District or north of Finchley Road on the Met - but this is something we will have to wait and see. Train Daddy* is due to take the reins soon so we'll see what he says about all this, I read he was very popular with staff and passengers in New York (to the point passengers held parties for him when he left - nice ones that is!) so another case of watching the space.
I heard it reported about a £500 million black hole within TfL this evening, I thought an easy way to claw this back would be a slight increase on council tax (I know there's lots of views on this and the ethics of it - it was just my mind wandering earlier on) and with a figure of 3.28 million households in London even this would take a long time to add up.....
I'm not entirely convinced Night Tube will return either.....
* Andy Byford (I know most readers would probably have heard of that name but just in case....)
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Post by SILENCED on Jun 17, 2020 21:23:17 GMT
I think page 26 is quite enlightening. It seems the government is to blame for the temporary removal of free travel for the over 60s in the peaks and for children all day, while the proposed changes to the congestion charge are the Mayors doing. Personally I agree with the temporary removal of free travel for the over 60s in the peaks, but the rest of it makes little sense. For example to restart the economy we need people back at work, they can't be back at work if their children are at home, so schools need to be re-opened and children need to be able to get to school - and that means buses. We should not be penalising parents for sending their kids to school by bus. Buses do have the sorry reputation of being death traps at the moment. I would not want to have to be sending a kid to school on a bus at the present time. |
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Post by redbus on Jun 17, 2020 21:24:35 GMT
I think page 26 is quite enlightening. It seems the government is to blame for the temporary removal of free travel for the over 60s in the peaks and for children all day, while the proposed changes to the congestion are the Mayors doing. Personally I agree with the temporary removal of free travel for the over 60s in the peaks, but the rest of it makes little sense. For example to restart the economy we need people back at work, they can't be back at work if their children are at home, so schools need to be re-opened and children need to be able to get to school - and that means buses. We should not be penalising parents for sending their kids to school by bus. Here is the problem. I don’t think peak hours will be the same again for months, maybe years. All that revenue gone. Season tickets won’t be renewed. Working from home has become ingrained in national psyche . I’ve heard some who have had to come into work are a nervous wreck. There is nothing to entertain anyone in London, it is a ghost town entertainment wise. It’s very sad. Its as if if people aren’t leaving their towns. So locally people are moving about, but not pan London. Im not normally a pessimist, but I really can’t see how (or why) TfL will continue to lay on intensive services when they’re not being used, especially in Zone 1. I had to travel to Heathrow today for work, coming home, leaving Heathrow at about 1430, I was the only person in a carriage on the Piccadilly Line up to Barons Court. By Kings Cross, we reached 7. Random observation and it was off peak, but didn’t think it would be that quiet, and the shops are open !! i see the Red Arrow routes going , these can be easily covered by an extension of the C1 over the 507. The 4 could return to Waterloo and the 17 could get a frequency increase . The Se buses could be redeployed on routes like the 1 and or 188. 521s are leaving London Bridge empty, You may well be right, but long term I am not such a pessimist. For now I agree, the government has done such a 'good job', that people are now scared to go out. TfL and the Mayor have been telling people not to use public transport and continue to do so. People have got used to managing, however things will change albeit I reckon slowly. Shops are opening and when entertainment re-opens and TfL stop telling people to not to use public transport, younger people who seem much less scared will start to return. When social distancing is over and confidence is given by those already using public transport and so on, then most will return. Neither the entertainment industry nor shops can afford to be empty and London can't afford to have mass closures either. The government and Mayor will be pressurised 'to do something' and get people back. The joker in the pack will be office workers, many of whom will not return or only come back part-time. This will impact travel in the the peaks, local business and much else, but to what extent is not yet clear. |
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Post by redbus on Jun 17, 2020 21:27:29 GMT
I think page 26 is quite enlightening. It seems the government is to blame for the temporary removal of free travel for the over 60s in the peaks and for children all day, while the proposed changes to the congestion charge are the Mayors doing. Personally I agree with the temporary removal of free travel for the over 60s in the peaks, but the rest of it makes little sense. For example to restart the economy we need people back at work, they can't be back at work if their children are at home, so schools need to be re-opened and children need to be able to get to school - and that means buses. We should not be penalising parents for sending their kids to school by bus. Buses do have the sorry reputation of being death traps at the moment. I would not want to have to be sending a kid to school on a bus at the present time. I think the reputation is down to bus drivers not passengers. I haven't travelled on public transport since March and have no intention of doing so for the time being. If I had to travel I would sooner choose the bus and not the tube as I think the tube is riskier. |
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Post by SILENCED on Jun 17, 2020 21:31:12 GMT
Buses do have the sorry reputation of being death traps at the moment. I would not want to have to be sending a kid to school on a bus at the present time. I think the reputation is down to bus drivers not passengers. I haven't travelled on public transport since March and have no intention of doing so for the time being. If I had to travel I would sooner choose the bus and not the tube as I think the tube is riskier. Your second sentence says it all ... transport workers have trashed it's reputation. |
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Post by greenboy on Jun 17, 2020 22:33:41 GMT
I think page 26 is quite enlightening. It seems the government is to blame for the temporary removal of free travel for the over 60s in the peaks and for children all day, while the proposed changes to the congestion are the Mayors doing. Personally I agree with the temporary removal of free travel for the over 60s in the peaks, but the rest of it makes little sense. For example to restart the economy we need people back at work, they can't be back at work if their children are at home, so schools need to be re-opened and children need to be able to get to school - and that means buses. We should not be penalising parents for sending their kids to school by bus. Here is the problem. I don’t think peak hours will be the same again for months, maybe years. All that revenue gone. Season tickets won’t be renewed. Working from home has become ingrained in national psyche . I’ve heard some who have had to come into work are a nervous wreck. There is nothing to entertain anyone in London, it is a ghost town entertainment wise. It’s very sad. Its as if if people aren’t leaving their towns. So locally people are moving about, but not pan London. Im not normally a pessimist, but I really can’t see how (or why) TfL will continue to lay on intensive services when they’re not being used, especially in Zone 1. I had to travel to Heathrow today for work, coming home, leaving Heathrow at about 1430, I was the only person in a carriage on the Piccadilly Line up to Barons Court. By Kings Cross, we reached 7. Random observation and it was off peak, but didn’t think it would be that quiet, and the shops are open !! i see the Red Arrow routes going , these can be easily covered by an extension of the C1 over the 507. The 4 could return to Waterloo and the 17 could get a frequency increase . The Se buses could be redeployed on routes like the 1 and or 188. 521s are leaving London Bridge empty, I think you're right and peak hours aren't going to be the same for the foreseeable future, Kings Ferry and Clarkes Coaches have suspended their extensive commuter services for the foreseeable future and it's hard to see how TfL can carry on providing the current level of service in Central London. Will the X68 ever return I wonder? I did suggest previously that the 521 should have been suspended when lockdown started and as you say the 507 could be replaced by extending another route from Victoria to Waterloo. If they do get withdrawn the 170 would have been ideal for the SEe buses if it weren't for the problem bridge in Battersea. As far as I know new buses for the 358 haven't been ordered yet so maybe they could end up there? The 148 is due for retender soon and I wonder if that will still happen or will that be withdrawn with much of the route covered by the 12 and 94? If Crossrail was still in the planning stage it probably wouldn't have gone ahead. I think it's going to take years for public transport to recover. |
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Post by george on Jun 17, 2020 22:36:58 GMT
Here is the problem. I don’t think peak hours will be the same again for months, maybe years. All that revenue gone. Season tickets won’t be renewed. Working from home has become ingrained in national psyche . I’ve heard some who have had to come into work are a nervous wreck. There is nothing to entertain anyone in London, it is a ghost town entertainment wise. It’s very sad. Its as if if people aren’t leaving their towns. So locally people are moving about, but not pan London. Im not normally a pessimist, but I really can’t see how (or why) TfL will continue to lay on intensive services when they’re not being used, especially in Zone 1. I had to travel to Heathrow today for work, coming home, leaving Heathrow at about 1430, I was the only person in a carriage on the Piccadilly Line up to Barons Court. By Kings Cross, we reached 7. Random observation and it was off peak, but didn’t think it would be that quiet, and the shops are open !! i see the Red Arrow routes going , these can be easily covered by an extension of the C1 over the 507. The 4 could return to Waterloo and the 17 could get a frequency increase . The Se buses could be redeployed on routes like the 1 and or 188. 521s are leaving London Bridge empty, I think you're right and peak hours aren't going to be the same for the foreseeable future, Kings Ferry and Clarkes Coaches have suspended their extensive commuter services for the foreseeable future and it's hard to see how TfL can carry on providing the current level of service in Central London. Will the X68 ever return I wonder? I did suggest previously that the 521 should have been suspended when lockdown started and as you say the 507 could be replaced by extending another route from Victoria to Waterloo. If they do get withdrawn the 170 would have been ideal for the SEe buses if it weren't for the problem bridge in Battersea. As far as I know new buses for the 358 haven't been ordered yet so maybe they could end up there? The 148 is due for retender soon and I wonder if that will still happen or will that be withdrawn with much of the route covered by the 12 and 94? If Crossrail was still in the planning stage it probably wouldn't have gone ahead. I think it's going to take years for public transport to recover. i did ask about the X68 recently can't see it returning any time soon but maybe I'm wrong. |
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Post by busman on Jun 19, 2020 12:27:09 GMT
I work in a completely unrelated industry, but whenever I’ve been seen any of the “big 4” audit firms in action as sure as night follows day, redundancies and cuts follow as part of efficiencies identified by the consultants. Expect some swingeing cuts in the coming years. |
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Post by greenboy on Jun 19, 2020 12:48:19 GMT
I work in a completely unrelated industry, but whenever I’ve been seen any of the “big 4” audit firms in action as sure as night follows day, redundancies and cuts follow as part of efficiencies identified by the consultants. Expect some swingeing cuts in the coming years. I think severe cuts are inevitable whoever is involved......... I ventured into Central London yesterday for the first time in 3 months...... very eerie feel about the place and with the massive drop in TfL revenue what other option is there than to cut services? |
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