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Post by evergreenadam on Oct 26, 2020 17:04:37 GMT
Route 286 was certainly busy into Greenwich from Eltham on Sunday afternoon, must get busy on a summer weekend. So many double deck bus routes now head towards North Greenwich that one single deck bus route into Greenwich town centre seems a little imbalanced. Blackheath, Lee, Kidbrooke Estate and Charlton might benefit from a direct bus to Greenwich? Traffic on Trafalgar Road was awful though and probably a big disincentive to further bus routes being routed that way. Indeed, the 286 does get busier in the afternoon/evening from what I've seen. Perhaps it'll see a conversion to DD if demand further increases in the future. You do also have the 386, and the 422 down the road linking Greenwich and Blackheath. Charlton does have direct links to Greenwich, namely the 177 and 180. As you've mentioned, heavy traffic on Trafalgar road is the norm, and its only been made worse by the segregated cycle lanes. 422 goes to North Greenwich rather than Cutty Sark, which is what I was thinking of. I understand that all those bus routes from the south to North Greenwich might be needed in the peaks but maybe excessive at weekends? Maybe providing enhanced Sunday train services on the Southeastern lines instead would be more cost effective? |
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Post by evergreenadam on Oct 26, 2020 17:08:37 GMT
Route 286 was certainly busy into Greenwich from Eltham on Sunday afternoon, must get busy on a summer weekend. So many double deck bus routes now head towards North Greenwich that one single deck bus route into Greenwich town centre seems a little imbalanced. Blackheath, Lee, Kidbrooke Estate and Charlton might benefit from a direct bus to Greenwich? Traffic on Trafalgar Road was awful though and probably a big disincentive to further bus routes being routed that way. Indeed, the 286 does get busier in the afternoon/evening from what I've seen. Perhaps it'll see a conversion to DD if demand further increases in the future. You do also have the 386, and the 422 down the road linking Greenwich and Blackheath. Charlton does have direct links to Greenwich, namely the 177 and 180. As you've mentioned, heavy traffic on Trafalgar road is the norm, and its only been made worse by the segregated cycle lanes. I can’t understand why it was singled out for reduction, inappropriate especially with the reduced capacity now in force. Lots of other routes in Eltham seemed less well used. I know the 132 extension parallels it along Rochester Way but they serve different markets at the Greenwich end. |
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Post by wirewiper on Oct 26, 2020 19:26:37 GMT
Hi I have a few questions, 1) Are TFL continuing the school services after half term or are they stopping? 2) If they are, is it going to be the same routes or are TFL reviewing routes all over again and seeing which ones need them? Because I think TFL missed out a big chunk of areas in London, the 31, 168, 189 all definitely need some extras while the 134 has loads and are all running empty from what I’ve observed And why are the C11’s extras only going between Archway and Finchley Road? Completely neglected the Brent Cross and West Hampstead areas which is one of C11’s busiest school sections certainly more busy than Gospel Oak to Archway?? Routes I think are in desperate need for extras (which dont have any atm) will have to be the 31, 46, 53, 168, 214, 453 If you guys think some others do too you should mention them and does anyone know if theres a way to contact TFL about it? add 143 to that list. The route could become DD and save money as the 143D + 643 could then be withdrawn. Even with D/D I still reckon some extra capacity would be needed on the 143D and 643 just because of the school numbers. |
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Post by londonbuses2018 on Feb 25, 2021 23:50:28 GMT
240 and 183 will really struggle when schools are back.
1. Both routes serve Hendon which has 4 schools in the area it’s absolutely diabolical that these routes were not considered to have an extra service. TFL could have easily diverted the 83 to help out via the 183 but no they didn’t think of that.
2. For some reason and think it was to clean the buses but routes both were turned at Hendon, Brent Green on Thursdays about 5/6 buses turned one Thursday with no driver explanation.
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Post by evergreenadam on Mar 2, 2021 9:49:08 GMT
Route 95 gets a healthy load on Sundays, 14 passengers per bus on an every 20min frequency risks passengers being left behind.
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Post by DT 11 on Mar 30, 2021 15:45:44 GMT
Question
Who issues each Trip number on a Route as School Service or Non School Service?
Reason I ask is because the Police at Bexleyheath said to me today. All The 301 & 401s are Non School service daily apart from a few and the Children need to get home.
This doesn’t actually make any sense whatsoever.
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Post by CircleLineofLife on Apr 6, 2021 9:33:08 GMT
240 and 183 will really struggle when schools are back. 1. Both routes serve Hendon which has 4 schools in the area it’s absolutely diabolical that these routes were not considered to have an extra service. TFL could have easily diverted the 83 to help out via the 183 but no they didn’t think of that. 2. For some reason and think it was to clean the buses but routes both were turned at Hendon, Brent Green on Thursdays about 5/6 buses turned one Thursday with no driver explanation. Youve have hit nail on the head with the 183 that stretch in between hendon and harrow with St gregs and JFS, harrow high school, JFS gets an exclusive 183 service as well thats starts from Kingsbury. |
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Post by snowman on May 12, 2021 17:51:59 GMT
Government has confirmed that all forward facing seats can be used from 17th May if required on peak services, but not rear facing or side facing seats. Off peak should still be limits for now. www.route-one.net/news/change-allows-greater-bus-capacity-in-england-from-17-may/However it sounds like it doesn’t apply to London, although I cannot figure out why London has to be different to remainder of England. |
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Post by galwhv69 on May 12, 2021 17:53:20 GMT
Government has confirmed that all forward facing seats can be used from 17th May if required on peak services, but not rear facing or side facing seats. Off peak should still be limits for now. www.route-one.net/news/change-allows-greater-bus-capacity-in-england-from-17-may/However it sounds like it doesn’t apply to London, although I cannot figure out why London has to be different to remainder of England. Dean Sullivan has confirmed that London is now included |
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Post by TB123 on May 12, 2021 18:18:40 GMT
Government has confirmed that all forward facing seats can be used from 17th May if required on peak services, but not rear facing or side facing seats. Off peak should still be limits for now. www.route-one.net/news/change-allows-greater-bus-capacity-in-england-from-17-may/However it sounds like it doesn’t apply to London, although I cannot figure out why London has to be different to remainder of England. Dean Sullivan has confirmed that London is now included I posted a while ago that this was the expectation. Pleased that it is able to go ahead. Great news. |
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Post by snowman on May 12, 2021 18:28:45 GMT
Government has confirmed that all forward facing seats can be used from 17th May if required on peak services, but not rear facing or side facing seats. Off peak should still be limits for now. www.route-one.net/news/change-allows-greater-bus-capacity-in-england-from-17-may/However it sounds like it doesn’t apply to London, although I cannot figure out why London has to be different to remainder of England. Dean Sullivan has confirmed that London is now included I suspect that means the school extras end permanently on 28th May as they won’t really be needed going forward if higher capacity on other buses is permitted, although the 10 school days overlap will ease transition. No doubt TfL will announce changes soon. |
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Post by BK15AZR on May 15, 2021 18:34:23 GMT
Went to Central London today and saw the 73 really struggling on capacity, even if it's expanded to 60. I boarded an LT at Islington Angel towards Oxford Circus and pax were filling up every row of seats, plus some standees downstairs. Seems like it's even more packed than pre-COVID, probably due to the reduced frequency?
The 139 was another route I could see struggling quite badly on capacity, though less surprised to me...always think it needs a frequency increase!
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Post by VWH1419 on May 15, 2021 19:15:06 GMT
Was on 98 couple days ago and that one seemed to struggle to capacity as if pre-COVID let alone during the pandemic. The 139 was another route I could see struggling quite badly on capacity, though less surprised to me...always think it needs a frequency increase! 139 is another one that struggled with COVID secure capacity for sure(at least on route to Waterloo), making me think of how the route coped on it’s single decker bus days. With capacity issues on routes going into or out of Central London, I would would hope TfL would think very carefully around cuts needed if to do some in Central London area. |
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Post by ian on May 16, 2021 5:11:06 GMT
I am continuing to see several 'Covid full up' 251s on a regular basis, usually morning eastbound.
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Post by LondonNorthern on May 16, 2021 9:30:20 GMT
I am continuing to see several 'Covid full up' 251s on a regular basis, usually morning eastbound. Not even too surprised - the route has surpassed what it once was in the 90s for being a single door midibus route and now has an increase in capacity and has had frequency increases over the years and really now needs deckers. |
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