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Post by vjaska on Oct 30, 2020 14:51:58 GMT
Would be nice to have a link between addington and Sutton? I don't think there's enough demand. It should be easy enough to transfer at Croydon. Maybe not from Addington Village itself but I do think other cross Croydon routes should be explored especially as it's about to two such links, one of which is very useful for the current 407 - the idea that everyone wants Croydon is a myth personally. A 407 from Sutton to Addington Village would be more reliable than the current 407 given it would be shorter and pass along a much quieter corridor on Croham Valley Road and would remove the whole thing regarding the 433 & 443 being in close proximity even if they don't actually meet. The only issue would be Selsdon Vale residents given the route would be double deck
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Post by enviro101 on Oct 30, 2020 14:56:05 GMT
I don't think there's enough demand. It should be easy enough to transfer at Croydon. Maybe not from Addington Village itself but I do think other cross Croydon routes should be explored especially as it's about to two such links, one of which is very useful for the current 407 - the idea that everyone wants Croydon is a myth personally. A 407 from Sutton to Addington Village would be more reliable than the current 407 given it would be shorter and pass along a much quieter corridor on Croham Valley Road and would remove the whole thing regarding the 433 & 443 being in close proximity even if they don't actually meet. The only issue would be Selsdon Vale residents given the route would be double deck yeah thats true I remember a few years ago they put deckers on the T33 (at the time) and there was an uproar from the residents.
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Post by greenboy on Oct 30, 2020 15:11:07 GMT
Would be nice to have a link between addington and Sutton? Possibly via Selsdon Purley and Wallington but going via Croydon it's easy enough now with Tramlink to Croydon then the choice of three bus routes or the train to Sutton.
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 30, 2020 16:40:47 GMT
The 407 could replace the 466 to Addington Village as it's freq is lower (12 mins versus 8 mins) which is much mroe suitable for the Addington section which is used fairly lightly for most the day. The 466 freq is much more due to the Croydon to Purley section.
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Post by vjaska on Oct 30, 2020 17:55:39 GMT
The 407 could replace the 466 to Addington Village as it's freq is lower (12 mins versus 8 mins) which is much mroe suitable for the Addington section which is used fairly lightly for most the day. The 466 freq is much more due to the Croydon to Purley section. I think even the 8 minute frequency is a little high overall - rather than alter the 466, just drop it to every 10 minutes as the Brighton Road section is in danger of becoming overbussed following the 60 & 466 frequency changes & the 407's double decking. I mean, the 37 for example would love to be every 8 minutes but because it doesn't go into Outer London, it's deemed, like every other Inner London route not running near Crossrail, as not important at all.
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 30, 2020 19:36:36 GMT
The 312 will add two more single deck journeys an hour between TC and Purley so I wonder if that could take the 466 back to every 10 mins.
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Post by kermit463 on Oct 30, 2020 20:17:18 GMT
I could be wrong but does Brighton Road Sutton really need a 3rd bus in the 164. Surely the 80 and 280 is enough? Although I’ve said for ages I do think the N44 should be extended to Belmont Station.
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 30, 2020 20:30:48 GMT
I'd be sceptical how quickly the 164 extends. The DD 80 will add a nice capacity boost along Brighton Road. I too think the N44 should extend to Belmont station or the new Sutton Hospital stand.
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Post by greenboy on Oct 31, 2020 6:25:55 GMT
The 407 could replace the 466 to Addington Village as it's freq is lower (12 mins versus 8 mins) which is much mroe suitable for the Addington section which is used fairly lightly for most the day. The 466 freq is much more due to the Croydon to Purley section. I'd rather replace the Addington end of the 466 by returning the 353 to Croydon albeit by a different route than previously. A direct link from Croydon and Shirley Park to Orpington and PRU hospital would be very useful, I think it could be increased to 4bph as I suspect it would generate a bit more custom than the 353 gets at the moment, still more than adequate as there is the 130 as well across Shirley Hills. The 433 could do a double run to serve Courtwood Lane. I'm not sure where the 466 could be curtailed to, Brighton Road commuters are very protective about their link to East Croydon (well in normal circumstances) and aren't particularly enamoured with the 312 which has to go round the NLA tower before setting down in Cherry Orchard Road.
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Nov 9, 2020 17:22:23 GMT
It looks like the closing date of this consultation has been extended from 29th November to 20th December. I predict that TfL will get a lot of responses for this consultation.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 9, 2020 17:37:23 GMT
It looks like the closing date of this consultation has been extended from 29th November to 20th December. I predict that TfL will get a lot of responses for this consultation. I get this feeling too, coupled with he obvious complexity of breaking down what routes are going to affect what groups of people in order to do all their statistical analysis on the responses. Could be well into next Autumn by the time we get results.
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 10, 2020 15:20:36 GMT
I wonder what length of bus the 413 can use if the Belmont extension goes ahead. The tender coming up could be an indication of how quick these changes would happen. The 413/S3 are too tied in with the rest so could happen once the new contract begins.
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Post by bertrell on Dec 3, 2020 11:06:36 GMT
I wonder what length of bus the 413 can use if the Belmont extension goes ahead. The tender coming up could be an indication of how quick these changes would happen. The 413/S3 are too tied in with the rest so could happen once the new contract begins. Looking at the Routeing i say 10.5/ 10.6m/10.9m Buses.
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Post by southlondonbus on Dec 3, 2020 12:14:57 GMT
The only tricky part i thought might be the turn by Carshalton Station and again along Cambridge Road. Certainly taking out the back street section by Sutton Station has removed what I would imagine would have been obstacles.
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Post by thekbq14 on Dec 3, 2020 20:37:15 GMT
I wonder what length of bus the 413 can use if the Belmont extension goes ahead. The tender coming up could be an indication of how quick these changes would happen. The 413/S3 are too tied in with the rest so could happen once the new contract begins. I think bus length should be fine, like another user said it will be tight in the Carshalton extension part but should be fine, otherwise it would of been said. Saying that I always found it odd that the 413 has Citaros, yes I personally like them and I understand this was done under Quality Line independent ownership where they spent a lot of money on there buses and decor etc and how it's not a full fledged Citaro found on the 108 or 358 for example. But I think it's too big for the route personally especially with capacity with me never seeing it full and the route it serves. This was the same in my opinion with the 293 when it used to use Scania Omnicities under Metrobus too. Especially as these routes could be converted to DD's too if I'm not mistaken in there current form. But I guess more bus variety to the route and network in general.
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