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Post by twobellstogo on Mar 20, 2021 9:53:51 GMT
Time to say goodbye to London’s buses for me. Is that not a bit of an overreaction? |
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Post by wirewiper on Mar 20, 2021 10:21:33 GMT
Time to say goodbye to London’s buses for me. I’ve grown increasingly fed up with TfL and I’ve seen west London particularly, singled out for reductions. If the 148 gets withdrawn , this proves to me the whole system they are using of route restructuring is flawed. I don’t think they look any further than lines on maps. They see a line ends in one place that parallels another line for a while, so why not make it one line and shave off one end. Unbelievably the red arrow routes remain when they’re empty. Night buses have been ploughing around London empty all year. Why are some night routes running at fri sat night levels ? There is so much waste, and then to cut the waste they axe links. No, we deserve better than that. You forget that the Red Arrows and night buses have been retained at the behest of the Government, who are paying buses to operate with reduced capacity to allow essential journeys to take place whilst allowing for social distancing. As it happens, both Red Arrows appear to be in line for future frequency reductions - a quite severe one in the case of the 521. Anyone living in East London would take issue with your assertion that West London is being "singled out". They lost the 48 and the 25 is a shadow of what it once was. |
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Post by snowman on Mar 20, 2021 10:24:53 GMT
Time to say goodbye to London’s buses for me. Is that not a bit of an overreaction? Depends on your circumstances, I only made 2 or 3 bus journeys in my last 2 years in London. Used them multiple times a day for many years. Why you might ask, simply got fed up with the hanging around waiting time at stops, and alternatives became cheap and plentiful, they just became unattractive. I actually used to go to shops bit further away as they had easy free parking. So TfLs blunt stick approach to discouraging car use, caused me to make longer journeys increasing road congestion. The more side roads got restricted, the more the bus routes got congested and slower, but no one in TfL seemed to understand they were discouraging use. @rob is just being sensible. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 20, 2021 11:02:50 GMT
Did not get them in East or North London and more the opposite. Also due to red tape, we had very well established bus operators like Ensign even publicily say they would not do any TfL contracted services due to the certain red tape. But would only do rail replacement, emergencies etc. and all these years after they stuck to their guns. Such a shame as they would do really well in cross border services. East London got the 370 & 498 under Ken But a lot more was lost than gained |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 20, 2021 11:05:52 GMT
Only two routes were perfoming badly I knew, 123 and W12. Many were not bad at all. Thamesway seemed to be not doing as good for service like Grey Green, Capital Citybus, Docklands Minibus, Kentish Bus, County Bus. Staff shortages were worse under LT, got better when it changed to LBL, but got back sour in the year before privitisation. The 296 up until it's split in 2000 was a nightmare of a route to wait for. With a PVR of 9 and going the long way from Ilford to Harold Wood I used to feel for those especially in the Marks Gate area (when visiting family over there) to the point people would rather walk to Eastern Avenue to catch the 66 instead to Newbury Park or Romford. The 179 is another example I could use but it had other routes to supplement it's services I.e the 123 from Ilford to South Woodford and the 169 and 369 in Ilford Lane. Whitehall Road would probably see maybe 3 buses an hour in each direction. From 2001 onwards it got better. I did also have one or two nightmare 179 waits at Chingford. However the drivers on the route were fantastic and did everything to make up time and did not hang about. I remember some very fast runs on the Dennis Arrow's. At times I recall many going straight in and out to make up time. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 20, 2021 11:08:26 GMT
Time to say goodbye to London’s buses for me. I’ve grown increasingly fed up with TfL and I’ve seen west London particularly, singled out for reductions. If the 148 gets withdrawn , this proves to me the whole system they are using of route restructuring is flawed. I don’t think they look any further than lines on maps. They see a line ends in one place that parallels another line for a while, so why not make it one line and shave off one end. Unbelievably the red arrow routes remain when they’re empty. Night buses have been ploughing around London empty all year. Why are some night routes running at fri sat night levels ? There is so much waste, and then to cut the waste they axe links. No, we deserve better than that. You forget that the Red Arrows and night buses have been retained at the behest of the Government, who are paying buses to operate with reduced capacity to allow essential journeys to take place whilst allowing for social distancing. As it happens, both Red Arrows appear to be in line for future frequency reductions - a quite severe one in the case of the 521. Anyone living in East London would take issue with your assertion that West London is being "singled out". They lost the 48 and the 25 is a shadow of what it once was. Not to mention the many long distances central to suburb route masacred, the 15 is one that springs to mind. |
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Post by MKAY315 on Mar 20, 2021 20:29:16 GMT
The 296 up until it's split in 2000 was a nightmare of a route to wait for. With a PVR of 9 and going the long way from Ilford to Harold Wood I used to feel for those especially in the Marks Gate area (when visiting family over there) to the point people would rather walk to Eastern Avenue to catch the 66 instead to Newbury Park or Romford. The 179 is another example I could use but it had other routes to supplement it's services I.e the 123 from Ilford to South Woodford and the 169 and 369 in Ilford Lane. Whitehall Road would probably see maybe 3 buses an hour in each direction. From 2001 onwards it got better. I did also have one or two nightmare 179 waits at Chingford. However the drivers on the route were fantastic and did everything to make up time and did not hang about. I remember some very fast runs on the Dennis Arrow's. At times I recall many going straight in and out to make up time. That's one thing about the arrows I loved. Those buses used to fly. I remembered when it made it's appearances on the 123, 296 and sometimes the 396 thrashing it down the A12 on Eastern Avenue. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 20, 2021 21:31:18 GMT
You forget that the Red Arrows and night buses have been retained at the behest of the Government, who are paying buses to operate with reduced capacity to allow essential journeys to take place whilst allowing for social distancing. As it happens, both Red Arrows appear to be in line for future frequency reductions - a quite severe one in the case of the 521. Anyone living in East London would take issue with your assertion that West London is being "singled out". They lost the 48 and the 25 is a shadow of what it once was. Not to mention the many long distances central to suburb route masacred, the 15 is one that springs to mind. Its hard to imagine the 15 now running onto Paddington even if starting at Paddington. Feels like a bygone age. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 20, 2021 21:43:24 GMT
I did also have one or two nightmare 179 waits at Chingford. However the drivers on the route were fantastic and did everything to make up time and did not hang about. I remember some very fast runs on the Dennis Arrow's. At times I recall many going straight in and out to make up time. That's one thing about the arrows I loved. Those buses used to fly. I remembered when it made it's appearances on the 123, 296 and sometimes the 396 thrashing it down the A12 on Eastern Avenue. The J###YRM Olympians were very fast, would pee over some of the buses we have today, but the Dennis Arrows were out of this world, had a few rides on the 123 in the evening with them, d*mn it was ferocious. |
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Post by vjaska on Mar 20, 2021 21:59:50 GMT
You forget that the Red Arrows and night buses have been retained at the behest of the Government, who are paying buses to operate with reduced capacity to allow essential journeys to take place whilst allowing for social distancing. As it happens, both Red Arrows appear to be in line for future frequency reductions - a quite severe one in the case of the 521. Anyone living in East London would take issue with your assertion that West London is being "singled out". They lost the 48 and the 25 is a shadow of what it once was. Not to mention the many long distances central to suburb route masacred, the 15 is one that springs to mind. But for the 15, it's what happens when congestion is left unchecked - no way can you operate such a route anymore. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 21, 2021 0:10:27 GMT
Time to say goodbye to London’s buses for me. I’ve grown increasingly fed up with TfL and I’ve seen west London particularly, singled out for reductions. If the 148 gets withdrawn , this proves to me the whole system they are using of route restructuring is flawed. I don’t think they look any further than lines on maps. They see a line ends in one place that parallels another line for a while, so why not make it one line and shave off one end. Unbelievably the red arrow routes remain when they’re empty. Night buses have been ploughing around London empty all year. Why are some night routes running at fri sat night levels ? There is so much waste, and then to cut the waste they axe links. No, we deserve better than that. You forget that the Red Arrows and night buses have been retained at the behest of the Government, who are paying buses to operate with reduced capacity to allow essential journeys to take place whilst allowing for social distancing. As it happens, both Red Arrows appear to be in line for future frequency reductions - a quite severe one in the case of the 521. Anyone living in East London would take issue with your assertion that West London is being "singled out". They lost the 48 and the 25 is a shadow of what it once was. I think the huge issue with East London is how many decent links can be provided with Central London with just some around the simple changes. Just simple things can include 8/205 to Stratford - just one of the two, probably 8 115 to Barking - It'll add three stops overall to the route, the 115 is just a bit irritating at the moment diving down High Street South to terminate in a very random place 339 to Tower Gateway - would much rather this than the route sent to Whipps Cross, it can just go down the Highway. 388/241 merged with the 388 cut to Liverpool St - I think the 388 is a dead man walking, but with a cut to Liverpool St and a merger with the 241 you'd be able to give people a link from the Custom House area to central London, and while indirect it'd be a link nonetheless. 242 to Leyton, Downsell Road - could probably just send this route through the Lea Interchange |
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Post by MKAY315 on Mar 21, 2021 10:44:03 GMT
You forget that the Red Arrows and night buses have been retained at the behest of the Government, who are paying buses to operate with reduced capacity to allow essential journeys to take place whilst allowing for social distancing. As it happens, both Red Arrows appear to be in line for future frequency reductions - a quite severe one in the case of the 521. Anyone living in East London would take issue with your assertion that West London is being "singled out". They lost the 48 and the 25 is a shadow of what it once was. I think the huge issue with East London is how many decent links can be provided with Central London with just some around the simple changes. Just simple things can include 8/205 to Stratford - just one of the two, probably 8 115 to Barking - It'll add three stops overall to the route, the 115 is just a bit irritating at the moment diving down High Street South to terminate in a very random place 339 to Tower Gateway - would much rather this than the route sent to Whipps Cross, it can just go down the Highway. 388/241 merged with the 388 cut to Liverpool St - I think the 388 is a dead man walking, but with a cut to Liverpool St and a merger with the 241 you'd be able to give people a link from the Custom House area to central London, and while indirect it'd be a link nonetheless. 242 to Leyton, Downsell Road - could probably just send this route through the Lea Interchange If you had to terminate the 115 in Barking where abouts would the last stop be. The Barking station stand is filled up as the 238 and 287 cause a lot of congestion around there at times. I would have said the London road stand as the 169 is the only route standing there. To think the 179 and the 87 (pre 2006 days) used to stand there. |
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Post by MKAY315 on Mar 21, 2021 10:58:45 GMT
That's one thing about the arrows I loved. Those buses used to fly. I remembered when it made it's appearances on the 123, 296 and sometimes the 396 thrashing it down the A12 on Eastern Avenue. The J###YRM Olympians were very fast, would pee over some of the buses we have today, but the Dennis Arrows were out of this world, had a few rides on the 123 in the evening with them, d*mn it was ferocious. Which J-YRM Olympians are you referring to. I know the 123 had that batch and the 212 also had that batch as well but in the northern counties palatine body form |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 21, 2021 11:20:51 GMT
I think the huge issue with East London is how many decent links can be provided with Central London with just some around the simple changes. Just simple things can include 8/205 to Stratford - just one of the two, probably 8 115 to Barking - It'll add three stops overall to the route, the 115 is just a bit irritating at the moment diving down High Street South to terminate in a very random place 339 to Tower Gateway - would much rather this than the route sent to Whipps Cross, it can just go down the Highway. 388/241 merged with the 388 cut to Liverpool St - I think the 388 is a dead man walking, but with a cut to Liverpool St and a merger with the 241 you'd be able to give people a link from the Custom House area to central London, and while indirect it'd be a link nonetheless. 242 to Leyton, Downsell Road - could probably just send this route through the Lea Interchange If you had to terminate the 115 in Barking where abouts would the last stop be. The Barking station stand is filled up as the 238 and 287 cause a lot of congestion around there at times. I would have said the London road stand as the 169 is the only route standing there. To think the 179 and the 87 (pre 2006 days) used to stand there. What I would do is just extend the 238 to Fair Cross, or build a new stand in Wakering Road. Although that would involve the 5/238/366 stop swapping location with the 62/287//368/ELT stop with the 287 retaining the south facing stand on station parade. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Mar 21, 2021 11:23:40 GMT
You forget that the Red Arrows and night buses have been retained at the behest of the Government, who are paying buses to operate with reduced capacity to allow essential journeys to take place whilst allowing for social distancing. As it happens, both Red Arrows appear to be in line for future frequency reductions - a quite severe one in the case of the 521. Anyone living in East London would take issue with your assertion that West London is being "singled out". They lost the 48 and the 25 is a shadow of what it once was. I think the huge issue with East London is how many decent links can be provided with Central London with just some around the simple changes. Just simple things can include 8/205 to Stratford - just one of the two, probably 8 115 to Barking - It'll add three stops overall to the route, the 115 is just a bit irritating at the moment diving down High Street South to terminate in a very random place 339 to Tower Gateway - would much rather this than the route sent to Whipps Cross, it can just go down the Highway. 388/241 merged with the 388 cut to Liverpool St - I think the 388 is a dead man walking, but with a cut to Liverpool St and a merger with the 241 you'd be able to give people a link from the Custom House area to central London, and while indirect it'd be a link nonetheless. 242 to Leyton, Downsell Road - could probably just send this route through the Lea Interchange The 115 could be extended to London Bridge via the old 40, it reinstates the direct link between London Bridge and Aldgate rather than taking the convoluted 343. |
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