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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 21, 2021 17:49:09 GMT
I think the huge issue with East London is how many decent links can be provided with Central London with just some around the simple changes. Just simple things can include 8/205 to Stratford - just one of the two, probably 8 115 to Barking - It'll add three stops overall to the route, the 115 is just a bit irritating at the moment diving down High Street South to terminate in a very random place 339 to Tower Gateway - would much rather this than the route sent to Whipps Cross, it can just go down the Highway. 388/241 merged with the 388 cut to Liverpool St - I think the 388 is a dead man walking, but with a cut to Liverpool St and a merger with the 241 you'd be able to give people a link from the Custom House area to central London, and while indirect it'd be a link nonetheless. 242 to Leyton, Downsell Road - could probably just send this route through the Lea Interchange I think these ideas are pretty sensible and logic, only one I'd worry about is the 388 & 241 being merged as then the 241 runs the risk of receiving a much less reliable service, would there be any case for a 241 to reach Stamford Hill? The 8 would be my own pick for a Stratford extension and I'd run it as an Oxford Circus to Stratford route. I'd like to see the 242 get through to Walthamstow although not sure how useful linking Homerton Hospital to Walthamstow would be I think as @dannyb mentioned, the 241 should be able to manage, however this is assuming the rerouting to the Royal Wharf goes ahead. It'll save a lot of time as opposed to the current Canning Town routing as there's pretty much no traffic there. I'd love for a link to North London from the Stratford area that's not the 276, but I think any link would need to be brand new, or come in from the North as opposed to being extended from the East. I did think about Walthamstow for the 242 as well, however the catchment for Homerton Hospital tends to fall nearer the Hackney side rather than the Walthamstow side, although if the costs of just running the bit extra to Walthamstow work out I don't see why it couldn't be done. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2021 17:59:43 GMT
I don't think anyone knows to what extent bus travel will return when things start to normalise after Covid. To have massive cuts in central London makes no sense until the new normal is known. It is reported in this forum that some central London routes will start to be cut when social distancing is relaxed with routes going from 7-8 to 10 minutes, a 25% cut. If passenger numbers bounce back that will be a disaster. Interestingly will be what will happen if social distancing isn't relaxed anytime soon, as is now being suggested. Will TfL and the Mayor continue hold off on their cuts. BBC Story that social distancing many remain for years
We are doing so well with the vaccine roll out and home testing being rolled out now schools are back it would be a shame we are held back by other countries! I also herd a radio advert today saying home testing will be available for staff returning to work. This will seem controversial but if we are going to be held back by other countries I would much rather we keep borders closed and not allow holidays abroad until other countries catch up. I know the road map is subject to change but if we are not careful come autumn we could be in a bad situation again. I would ban holidays abroad until 2022. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 21, 2021 18:11:16 GMT
I don't think anyone knows to what extent bus travel will return when things start to normalise after Covid. To have massive cuts in central London makes no sense until the new normal is known. It is reported in this forum that some central London routes will start to be cut when social distancing is relaxed with routes going from 7-8 to 10 minutes, a 25% cut. If passenger numbers bounce back that will be a disaster. Interestingly will be what will happen if social distancing isn't relaxed anytime soon, as is now being suggested. Will TfL and the Mayor continue hold off on their cuts. BBC Story that social distancing many remain for years
We are doing so well with the vaccine roll out and home testing being rolled out now schools are back it would be a shame we are held back by other countries! I also herd a radio advert today saying home testing will be available for staff returning to work. This will seem controversial but if we are going to be held back by other countries I would much rather we keep borders closed and not allow holidays abroad until other countries catch up. I know the road map is subject to change but if we are not careful come autumn we could be in a bad situation again. I would ban holidays abroad until 2022. The issue is some people seem to be totally unable to live without holidays, I'm in the same camp as you where I don't think people should be going on holidays this year but without proper enforcement this will just not work at all. |
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Post by LJ17THF on Mar 21, 2021 18:26:39 GMT
We are doing so well with the vaccine roll out and home testing being rolled out now schools are back it would be a shame we are held back by other countries! I also herd a radio advert today saying home testing will be available for staff returning to work. This will seem controversial but if we are going to be held back by other countries I would much rather we keep borders closed and not allow holidays abroad until other countries catch up. I know the road map is subject to change but if we are not careful come autumn we could be in a bad situation again. I would ban holidays abroad until 2022. The issue is some people seem to be totally unable to live without holidays, I'm in the same camp as you where I don't think people should be going on holidays this year but without proper enforcement this will just not work at all. I think smaller holidays will be fine, like staying at a Haven holiday park, you don't really interact with many other people, only if people really need it, people shouldn't really go abroad, we don't to get any more new strains from other countries, nor spreading the existing ones anywhere else. |
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Post by ronnie on Mar 21, 2021 18:39:53 GMT
The issue is some people seem to be totally unable to live without holidays, I'm in the same camp as you where I don't think people should be going on holidays this year but without proper enforcement this will just not work at all. I think smaller holidays will be fine, like staying at a Haven holiday park, you don't really interact with many other people, only if people really need it, people shouldn't really go abroad, we don't to get any more new strains from other countries, nor spreading the existing ones anywhere else. I think holidays within the U.K. should be ok as long as vaccination continues at a good pace. We don’t necessarily need to fly abroad frankly this time around. Bring on the long drives to Cornwall / wales / cotswolds / highlands / wherever else you want to! |
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Post by snowman on Mar 21, 2021 19:05:58 GMT
I don't think anyone knows to what extent bus travel will return when things start to normalise after Covid. To have massive cuts in central London makes no sense until the new normal is known. It is reported in this forum that some central London routes will start to be cut when social distancing is relaxed with routes going from 7-8 to 10 minutes, a 25% cut. If passenger numbers bounce back that will be a disaster. Interestingly will be what will happen if social distancing isn't relaxed anytime soon, as is now being suggested. Will TfL and the Mayor continue hold off on their cuts. BBC Story that social distancing many remain for years
I wouldn’t read too much into that story, it is one individual who has an objective of trying to minimise illness. She isn’t expected to pay for everyone sitting around at home. Or deal with mental health consequences of distancing. Reality is that vast majority are fed up with lockdowns, wearing masks etc. and are likely to expect restrictions to end June/July once majority have had jab, and lots have had second jab. Yes there remains a risk, but most will see it like flu or pneumonia, just something to live with if you want a reasonable life. I predict unrest if it was extended to next year. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Mar 21, 2021 20:04:27 GMT
The 115 could be extended to London Bridge via the old 40, it reinstates the direct link between London Bridge and Aldgate rather than taking the convoluted 343. Personally don't like the idea of extending the 115 to London Bridge. The route suffers traffic hot spots already with the Blackwall Tunnel / Limehouse area and can't see that much demand if honest. We haven't had a link to London Bridge from the east since the 40 was cut back over 20 years ago without much outcry. I see where you are coming from - plus if we were also proposing for an extension to Barking the route would face congestion round the North Circular junction, certainly is like that at Ilford whenever I use the 25, 86 or 147. Cannot imagine what its like if there was an accident on the NCR.
I also suggested extending it to London Bridge given that buses turning out of the bus station take what feels like a lifetime, incredibly monotonous.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Mar 21, 2021 20:04:59 GMT
I don't think anyone knows to what extent bus travel will return when things start to normalise after Covid. To have massive cuts in central London makes no sense until the new normal is known. It is reported in this forum that some central London routes will start to be cut when social distancing is relaxed with routes going from 7-8 to 10 minutes, a 25% cut. If passenger numbers bounce back that will be a disaster. Interestingly will be what will happen if social distancing isn't relaxed anytime soon, as is now being suggested. Will TfL and the Mayor continue hold off on their cuts. BBC Story that social distancing many remain for years
Reducing buses is the exact opposite of attracting people back to work in my opinion. |
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Post by vjaska on Mar 21, 2021 20:40:29 GMT
I don't think anyone knows to what extent bus travel will return when things start to normalise after Covid. To have massive cuts in central London makes no sense until the new normal is known. It is reported in this forum that some central London routes will start to be cut when social distancing is relaxed with routes going from 7-8 to 10 minutes, a 25% cut. If passenger numbers bounce back that will be a disaster. Interestingly will be what will happen if social distancing isn't relaxed anytime soon, as is now being suggested. Will TfL and the Mayor continue hold off on their cuts. BBC Story that social distancing many remain for years
I wouldn’t read too much into that story, it is one individual who has an objective of trying to minimise illness. She isn’t expected to pay for everyone sitting around at home. Or deal with mental health consequences of distancing. Reality is that vast majority are fed up with lockdowns, wearing masks etc. and are likely to expect restrictions to end June/July once majority have had jab, and lots have had second jab. Yes there remains a risk, but most will see it like flu or pneumonia, just something to live with if you want a reasonable life. I predict unrest if it was extended to next year. She isn’t the only who has said that though - a number of scientists including ones on the government’s own team have suggested that social distancing restrictions may need to be longer and that Boris’s roadmap of all restrictions ending in the summer would require a lot of things to go his way - we’ll have to see but whilst I doubt we’ll see any lockdowns again, I certainly wouldn’t rule out social distancing rules including wearing masks remaining in place for a while at the least. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 21, 2021 20:56:07 GMT
Whislt social distancing remains so will working from home as its the easiest way to keep crowds down which will mean continued drop in revenue. This again will continue to hit routes in the City but also ones serving mainline terminals.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 21, 2021 20:59:37 GMT
I wouldn’t read too much into that story, it is one individual who has an objective of trying to minimise illness. She isn’t expected to pay for everyone sitting around at home. Or deal with mental health consequences of distancing. Reality is that vast majority are fed up with lockdowns, wearing masks etc. and are likely to expect restrictions to end June/July once majority have had jab, and lots have had second jab. Yes there remains a risk, but most will see it like flu or pneumonia, just something to live with if you want a reasonable life. I predict unrest if it was extended to next year. She isn’t the only who has said that though - a number of scientists including ones on the government’s own team have suggested that social distancing restrictions may need to be longer and that Boris’s roadmap of all restrictions ending in the summer would require a lot of things to go his way - we’ll have to see but whilst I doubt we’ll see any lockdowns again, I certainly wouldn’t rule out social distancing rules including wearing masks remaining in place for a while at the least. Very sadly I think another wave is now inevitable here, it's happened in Europe and while they're now saying half the population is vaccinated, how much are fully vaccinated? A mild infection in someone vulnerable can still kill them. If another lockdown is required then I'd certainly question where it all went wrong, but I think stuff like full reopening of pubs, bars and restaurants should all be delayed. Worst case scenario I'd suggest dropping schools down to half weeks, so less students attend at a time. |
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Post by ronnie on Mar 21, 2021 21:54:02 GMT
She isn’t the only who has said that though - a number of scientists including ones on the government’s own team have suggested that social distancing restrictions may need to be longer and that Boris’s roadmap of all restrictions ending in the summer would require a lot of things to go his way - we’ll have to see but whilst I doubt we’ll see any lockdowns again, I certainly wouldn’t rule out social distancing rules including wearing masks remaining in place for a while at the least. Very sadly I think another wave is now inevitable here, it's happened in Europe and while they're now saying half the population is vaccinated, how much are fully vaccinated? A mild infection in someone vulnerable can still kill them. If another lockdown is required then I'd certainly question where it all went wrong, but I think stuff like full reopening of pubs, bars and restaurants should all be delayed. Worst case scenario I'd suggest dropping schools down to half weeks, so less students attend at a time. I think it’s also because the EU has made a royal mess of the vaccination programme. Acting like the big bully on the playground as if countries are still colonies smacks of “oh we are the EU, we are superior to everyone” attitude. They just can’t digest that other countries (esp one who just left the EU plus developing countries) are doing so much better. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2021 22:04:07 GMT
Whislt social distancing remains so will working from home as its the easiest way to keep crowds down which will mean continued drop in revenue. This again will continue to hit routes in the City but also ones serving mainline terminals. Working from home is destroying so many business and can't be sustained especially with home testing being widely available now. We are one year into the pandemic now and need to try and make a return to normal. The country is becoming restless look at Bristol this evening. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Mar 21, 2021 22:10:00 GMT
Whislt social distancing remains so will working from home as its the easiest way to keep crowds down which will mean continued drop in revenue. This again will continue to hit routes in the City but also ones serving mainline terminals. Working from home is destroying so many business and can't be sustained especially with home testing being widely available now. We are one year into the pandemic now and need to try and make a return to normal. The country is becoming restless look at Bristol this evening. Runs the risk of more outsourcing as well |
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Post by vjaska on Mar 22, 2021 0:14:39 GMT
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