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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 21:42:31 GMT
Khan pretty much walked into an own goal with TFL with the pedestrianisation of Oxford Street giving TFL the perfect excuse to cut the 10 and 13 entirely plus the amendments to the 23/73 etc and even the 94 still. The same could happen with Threadneedle Street with the 8, 11, 26 and 133 replacing routes on other streets now. I have come to the conclusion that all these LTNs are just money generators whilst these pedestrianisation schemes are simply here to help TFL save money Sorry not trying to be rude but just out of curiosty how long did it take you to come to that conclusion? A lot of people worked the money spinner angle a year ago when LTNs were first implemented. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 18, 2021 21:46:26 GMT
I have come to the conclusion that all these LTNs are just money generators whilst these pedestrianisation schemes are simply here to help TFL save money Sorry not trying to be rude, just out of curiosty how long did it take you to come to that conclusion? A lot of people worked the money spinner angle a year ago when LTNs were first implemented. I knew that LTNs were like that from the start but definitely pedestrianisation took me a while, it's only because Oxford Street I thought was always going to be pedestrianised but when Bank was having these plans I knew there was something deeper involved |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 18, 2021 21:48:49 GMT
Ultermately the 8 will provide the a link the Cornhill/Leadenhall Street to City Thameslink and thus the 25 can be cut to Aldgate with the 343 back to Tower Gateway to make room. This way TFL will claim a more reliable service on the 8 and 25. The 8 can barely cope with loadings now let alone taking on from Liverpool Street towards City Thameslink! The 25 still carries decent loads from Aldgate to City Thameslink (pre covid observations). Also don't forget the route is used a lot by low paid workers travelling into the city. I really liked the 25 going to Oxford Circus not just because of its backbone and it providing an incredible service through East London but that East London is generally made to make you use the tube so it's nicer than using the packed Jubilee and Central Lines |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 19, 2021 10:11:17 GMT
Has anyone here had a route that went into Central London but got cutback noticed any changes in patronage to other modes of transport? Example I've definitely noticed since the 88 was extended to Parliament Hill I've seen an increase in the number of people using the C11 in Parliament Hill, presumably to access Archway for the tube
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Post by busman on Apr 19, 2021 10:44:59 GMT
Khan pretty much walked into an own goal with TFL with the pedestrianisation of Oxford Street giving TFL the perfect excuse to cut the 10 and 13 entirely plus the amendments to the 23/73 etc and even the 94 still. The same could happen with Threadneedle Street with the 8, 11, 26 and 133 replacing routes on other streets now. Khan scored an own goal with the 4 year fare freeze and hopper fare. He knew very well the tough financial circumstances facing TfL ahead of his previous election, yet he still chose to deepen concessions. As a result he can hardly portray himself as a sound custodian of TfL finances. Combined with his unhelpful aggression against the government, London’s bus network will be in a worse state than it could have been. Andy Byford has struck a more diplomatic and pragmatic tone since he came in, Khan would do well to take a leaf out of his book. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Apr 19, 2021 10:53:02 GMT
Khan pretty much walked into an own goal with TFL with the pedestrianisation of Oxford Street giving TFL the perfect excuse to cut the 10 and 13 entirely plus the amendments to the 23/73 etc and even the 94 still. The same could happen with Threadneedle Street with the 8, 11, 26 and 133 replacing routes on other streets now. Khan scored an own goal with the 4 year fare freeze and hopper fare. He knew very well the tough financial circumstances facing TfL ahead of his previous election, yet he still chose to deepen concessions. As a result he can hardly portray himself as a sound custodian of TfL finances. Combined with his unhelpful aggression against the government, London’s bus network will be in a worse state than it could have been. Andy Byford has struck a more diplomatic and pragmatic tone since he came in, Khan would do well to take a leaf out of his book. I think the problem Khan has, he tried to take the approach that Livingstone and Johnson did with their manifesto's and tried to deliver the majority of it. Although it seems he has been poor at his promises and even worse at the basics, crime etc. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2021 12:16:08 GMT
Khan scored an own goal with the 4 year fare freeze and hopper fare. He knew very well the tough financial circumstances facing TfL ahead of his previous election, yet he still chose to deepen concessions. As a result he can hardly portray himself as a sound custodian of TfL finances. Combined with his unhelpful aggression against the government, London’s bus network will be in a worse state than it could have been. Andy Byford has struck a more diplomatic and pragmatic tone since he came in, Khan would do well to take a leaf out of his book. I think the problem Khan has, he tried to take the approach that Livingstone and Johnson did with their manifesto's and tried to deliver the majority of it. Although it seems he has been poor at his promises and even worse at the basics, crime etc. However when it comes to the hopper and fare freezes he could have done some PR, something Kahn is synonymous with, and explained fully why he couldn’t do either as the finances didn’t add up. As it’s fairly obvious to me that Kahn will be known as the ‘all talk no action’ mayor he could have easily taken the high road and used good PR to blame the government for reducing finances whilst simultaneously talking about what TfL could do instead. |
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Post by busman on Apr 19, 2021 13:25:32 GMT
I think the problem Khan has, he tried to take the approach that Livingstone and Johnson did with their manifesto's and tried to deliver the majority of it. Although it seems he has been poor at his promises and even worse at the basics, crime etc. However when it comes to the hopper and fare freezes he could have done some PR, something Kahn is synonymous with, and explained fully why he couldn’t do either as the finances didn’t add up. As it’s fairly obvious to me that Kahn will be known as the ‘all talk no action’ mayor he could have easily taken the high road and used good PR to blame the government for reducing finances whilst simultaneously talking about what TfL could do instead. He could have done the responsible thing and not made those manifesto pledges in the first place. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2021 13:40:34 GMT
Has anyone here had a route that went into Central London but got cutback noticed any changes in patronage to other modes of transport? Example I've definitely noticed since the 88 was extended to Parliament Hill I've seen an increase in the number of people using the C11 in Parliament Hill, presumably to access Archway for the tube Connected to the 218/266/306 changes , I’ve noticed the 220 is busier with Hammersmith bound passengers to/from Harlesden. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Apr 19, 2021 15:27:15 GMT
However when it comes to the hopper and fare freezes he could have done some PR, something Kahn is synonymous with, and explained fully why he couldn’t do either as the finances didn’t add up. As it’s fairly obvious to me that Kahn will be known as the ‘all talk no action’ mayor he could have easily taken the high road and used good PR to blame the government for reducing finances whilst simultaneously talking about what TfL could do instead. He could have done the responsible thing and not made those manifesto pledges in the first place. Trouble is that some of these pie in the sky promises in manifestos are purely to grab votes of those who would not scrutinise the rest of it. A bit like how Sian Berry recently came up with a load of stupid promises that could practically not be done in a real world. |
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Post by greenboy on Apr 19, 2021 15:48:28 GMT
However when it comes to the hopper and fare freezes he could have done some PR, something Kahn is synonymous with, and explained fully why he couldn’t do either as the finances didn’t add up. As it’s fairly obvious to me that Kahn will be known as the ‘all talk no action’ mayor he could have easily taken the high road and used good PR to blame the government for reducing finances whilst simultaneously talking about what TfL could do instead. He could have done the responsible thing and not made those manifesto pledges in the first place. In fairness there have been calls for a hopper fare for a long time and I think it would have come whoever was mayor......... whether fares should have increased is another matter although inevitably any fares increase will result in a further drop in passenger numbers. |
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Post by wirewiper on Apr 19, 2021 16:02:51 GMT
Khan pretty much walked into an own goal with TFL with the pedestrianisation of Oxford Street giving TFL the perfect excuse to cut the 10 and 13 entirely plus the amendments to the 23/73 etc and even the 94 still. The same could happen with Threadneedle Street with the 8, 11, 26 and 133 replacing routes on other streets now. Khan scored an own goal with the 4 year fare freeze and hopper fare. He knew very well the tough financial circumstances facing TfL ahead of his previous election, yet he still chose to deepen concessions. As a result he can hardly portray himself as a sound custodian of TfL finances. Combined with his unhelpful aggression against the government, London’s bus network will be in a worse state than it could have been. Andy Byford has struck a more diplomatic and pragmatic tone since he came in, Khan would do well to take a leaf out of his book. Khan identified back office savings (that were largely achieved), plus there was an expectation that some extra trips would be generated that would offset the revenue loss to some degree. It's strange that everyone accepts that the Underground has effectively had Hopper Fares since the 1930s (no-one pays again if they have to change lines) yet there is still opposition to it being applied to buses. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2021 16:41:28 GMT
Ultermately the 8 will provide the a link the Cornhill/Leadenhall Street to City Thameslink and thus the 25 can be cut to Aldgate with the 343 back to Tower Gateway to make room. This way TFL will claim a more reliable service on the 8 and 25. Thinking about this today why do you make the assumption the 25 will be cut back when it don't feature in the Bank consultation.
I would be really disappointed and shocked if yet another route from the east is cut back further. All other parts of London seem to fair so much better in terms of cuts!
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 19, 2021 16:58:59 GMT
Ultermately the 8 will provide the a link the Cornhill/Leadenhall Street to City Thameslink and thus the 25 can be cut to Aldgate with the 343 back to Tower Gateway to make room. This way TFL will claim a more reliable service on the 8 and 25. Thinking about this today why do you make the assumption the 25 will be cut back when it don't feature in the Bank consultation. I would be really disappointed and shocked if yet another route from the east is cut back further. All other parts of London seem to fair so much better in terms of cuts!
It isn't mentioned but once serval routes are diverted off Threadneedle Street onto other routes its possible TFL will begin to review those corridors. Nothing is probably safe from review or cut over the next couple of years. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 19, 2021 17:40:05 GMT
I assume a lot of cuts will be frequency reductions. Let's remember that the number is 300, reducing all routes to every 10 minutes will be a saving of 450. And let's also remember some things have already been proposed for example the 414 cutback and some routes like the 7 have been rumoured to get dropped to every 12 minutes which is lower than the 10 minute proposal. Some routes have also been rescheduled both in and out of Central London so would assume that would contribute to the 300 mark.
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