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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 31, 2021 17:45:29 GMT
I'm sure most people here know Sir John Curtice www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/professor-sir-john-curtice-london-mayor-election-2021-sadiq-khan-b926525.htmlNo surprise about his estimate, I think Brexit will have killed pretty much any chance of the Tories getting into power in the near future. Bailey's chances are getting slimmer and slimmer. Notably the three main groups against Tory support are remainers, BAME individuals and graduates. There used to be a case where people are more likely to vote Tory as they grew older but that trend has pretty much disappeared. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2021 20:14:13 GMT
I'm sure most people here know Sir John Curtice www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/professor-sir-john-curtice-london-mayor-election-2021-sadiq-khan-b926525.htmlNo surprise about his estimate, I think Brexit will have killed pretty much any chance of the Tories getting into power in the near future. Bailey's chances are getting slimmer and slimmer. Notably the three main groups against Tory support are remainers, BAME individuals and graduates. There used to be a case where people are more likely to vote Tory as they grew older but that trend has pretty much disappeared. As long as there are pockets of opposition to Kahn that is all that matters. Frankly I think London needs a new direction so really I want anyone other than Kahn to win. London has stagnated under his leadership and we need a Mayor who is action and not just reaction. We deserve a mayor who can ignore national politics and focus on issues affecting everyday Londoners like transport, policing and the growing rage of crime. We deserve a mayor who can enact change not just blame everyone else for their lack of skills. It’s just shame that people would rather vote for the devil they know and that’s all Kahns likely victory will boil down to. Also I find the term BAME offensive, just an FYI. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 31, 2021 20:50:24 GMT
I'm sure most people here know Sir John Curtice www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/professor-sir-john-curtice-london-mayor-election-2021-sadiq-khan-b926525.htmlNo surprise about his estimate, I think Brexit will have killed pretty much any chance of the Tories getting into power in the near future. Bailey's chances are getting slimmer and slimmer. Notably the three main groups against Tory support are remainers, BAME individuals and graduates. There used to be a case where people are more likely to vote Tory as they grew older but that trend has pretty much disappeared. As long as there are pockets of opposition to Kahn that is all that matters. Frankly I think London needs a new direction so really I want anyone other than Kahn to win. London has stagnated under his leadership and we need a Mayor who is action and not just reaction. We deserve a mayor who can ignore national politics and focus on issues affecting everyday Londoners like transport, policing and the growing rage of crime. We deserve a mayor who can enact change not just blame everyone else for their lack of skills. It’s just shame that people would rather vote for the devil they know and that’s all Kahns likely victory will boil down to. Also I find the term BAME offensive, just an FYI. I think the it ultimately boils down to party politics. The only real standout was Livingstone, and that was only because of his history on the Greater London Council and then not randomly being elected as Labour's representative. The issue independents face is their relative lack of funds, lack of previous political history and getting their policies across. No doubt Rory Steward prior to dropping out was the most promising independent because of his prior political experience and impression within the London crowd for voting with the Benn act. Once he dropped out, other independents didn't have the ability to make an impression, the only independent candidate I knew prior to the election was Piers Corbyn, and let me not get into him. Brian Rose seems to be using Billboards and the likes, however most people do not even pay attention to them. Very easy to read "Brian Rose for Mayor" but then not reading up on his policies and then forgetting about him. With Khan and Bailey, people won't even need to read manifestos and policies. With Bailey you know you are getting a Tory, someone to the right of centre on the spectrum who will not be afraid to raise council taxes and travel fares, even if they have to be above inflation. Decisions are likely to be made more on a non-personal level, looking at the greater good, even if the decision in the end isn't. But in return you are likely to get a London that's more friendly to business and might be more financially stable. With Khan you get a Labour politician, somewhere to the left of centre and someone who as a result is not as likely to raise taxes, transport fares and is likely to resonate more with the poorer population of the city and will make decisions accordingly. This view obviously is likely to lead to less financial stability as more money is spent on equality. All the other candidates need to get their manifestos out there, it's far easier saying "Hi I'm Khan and Labour" rather than saying "Hi I'm Brian Rose and I want to do xxxx". People in London naturally associate themselves with the Labour Party more and more. I myself will be voting Khan this election, however the lack of competition is going to get dangerous. Although there's. general consensus among millennial onward that you need to look out for the greater population, and give everyone the best chance so in turn support labour. Although this is mostly only the case for those that go through the education system and meet people from all walks of life. I'd imagine another case is schools are treating people to be more politically aware, teaching being heavily unionised means the vast majority of teachers tend to be labour supporters and this is likely to pass through in schools, alongside the fact that once again school children meet people from all walks of life and are likely to want more equal treatment and opportunities and are in turn labour supporters. I think the Conservative party is now going to be fighting an uphill battle for the next 20 years at least within London, it will take a huge demographic shift to flip people over. I think it's generally accepted Khan will win now, but what interests me will be the borough to borough breakdown. I wonder if we will get any flips from the last election. Wouldn't be too surprised to see Hammersmith and Fulham flip, but something else I wonder is whether the pattern will follow the 2019 general election where there was increased Tory support in Brexit voting areas. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2021 21:10:40 GMT
As long as there are pockets of opposition to Kahn that is all that matters. Frankly I think London needs a new direction so really I want anyone other than Kahn to win. London has stagnated under his leadership and we need a Mayor who is action and not just reaction. We deserve a mayor who can ignore national politics and focus on issues affecting everyday Londoners like transport, policing and the growing rage of crime. We deserve a mayor who can enact change not just blame everyone else for their lack of skills. It’s just shame that people would rather vote for the devil they know and that’s all Kahns likely victory will boil down to. Also I find the term BAME offensive, just an FYI. I think the it ultimately boils down to party politics. The only real standout was Livingstone, and that was only because of his history on the Greater London Council and then not randomly being elected as Labour's representative. The issue independents face is their relative lack of funds, lack of previous political history and getting their policies across. No doubt Rory Steward prior to dropping out was the most promising independent because of his prior political experience and impression within the London crowd for voting with the Benn act. Once he dropped out, other independents didn't have the ability to make an impression, the only independent candidate I knew prior to the election was Piers Corbyn, and let me not get into him. Brian Rose seems to be using Billboards and the likes, however most people do not even pay attention to them. Very easy to read "Brian Rose for Mayor" but then not reading up on his policies and then forgetting about him. With Khan and Bailey, people won't even need to read manifestos and policies. With Bailey you know you are getting a Tory, someone to the right of centre on the spectrum who will not be afraid to raise council taxes and travel fares, even if they have to be above inflation. Decisions are likely to be made more on a non-personal level, looking at the greater good, even if the decision in the end isn't. But in return you are likely to get a London that's more friendly to business and might be more financially stable. With Khan you get a Labour politician, somewhere to the left of centre and someone who as a result is not as likely to raise taxes, transport fares and is likely to resonate more with the poorer population of the city and will make decisions accordingly. This view obviously is likely to lead to less financial stability as more money is spent on equality. All the other candidates need to get their manifestos out there, it's far easier saying "Hi I'm Khan and Labour" rather than saying "Hi I'm Brian Rose and I want to do xxxx". People in London naturally associate themselves with the Labour Party more and more. I myself will be voting Khan this election, however the lack of competition is going to get dangerous. Although there's. general consensus among millennial onward that you need to look out for the greater population, and give everyone the best chance so in turn support labour. Although this is mostly only the case for those that go through the education system and meet people from all walks of life. I'd imagine another case is schools are treating people to be more politically aware, teaching being heavily unionised means the vast majority of teachers tend to be labour supporters and this is likely to pass through in schools, alongside the fact that once again school children meet people from all walks of life and are likely to want more equal treatment and opportunities and are in turn labour supporters. I think the Conservative party is now going to be fighting an uphill battle for the next 20 years at least within London, it will take a huge demographic shift to flip people over. I think it's generally accepted Khan will win now, but what interests me will be the borough to borough breakdown. I wonder if we will get any flips from the last election. Wouldn't be too surprised to see Hammersmith and Fulham flip, but something else I wonder is whether the pattern will follow the 2019 general election where there was increased Tory support in Brexit voting areas. We will have to wait another year to see if councils switch, those elections aren’t until 2022. Interestingly whoever wins will only serve a three year term to bring the next mayoral election to 2024 as expected. |
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Post by SILENCED on Mar 31, 2021 22:23:52 GMT
As long as there are pockets of opposition to Kahn that is all that matters. Frankly I think London needs a new direction so really I want anyone other than Kahn to win. London has stagnated under his leadership and we need a Mayor who is action and not just reaction. We deserve a mayor who can ignore national politics and focus on issues affecting everyday Londoners like transport, policing and the growing rage of crime. We deserve a mayor who can enact change not just blame everyone else for their lack of skills. It’s just shame that people would rather vote for the devil they know and that’s all Kahns likely victory will boil down to. Also I find the term BAME offensive, just an FYI. I think the it ultimately boils down to party politics. The only real standout was Livingstone, and that was only because of his history on the Greater London Council and then not randomly being elected as Labour's representative. The issue independents face is their relative lack of funds, lack of previous political history and getting their policies across. No doubt Rory Steward prior to dropping out was the most promising independent because of his prior political experience and impression within the London crowd for voting with the Benn act. Once he dropped out, other independents didn't have the ability to make an impression, the only independent candidate I knew prior to the election was Piers Corbyn, and let me not get into him. Brian Rose seems to be using Billboards and the likes, however most people do not even pay attention to them. Very easy to read "Brian Rose for Mayor" but then not reading up on his policies and then forgetting about him. With Khan and Bailey, people won't even need to read manifestos and policies. With Bailey you know you are getting a Tory, someone to the right of centre on the spectrum who will not be afraid to raise council taxes and travel fares, even if they have to be above inflation. Decisions are likely to be made more on a non-personal level, looking at the greater good, even if the decision in the end isn't. But in return you are likely to get a London that's more friendly to business and might be more financially stable. With Khan you get a Labour politician, somewhere to the left of centre and someone who as a result is not as likely to raise taxes, transport fares and is likely to resonate more with the poorer population of the city and will make decisions accordingly. This view obviously is likely to lead to less financial stability as more money is spent on equality. All the other candidates need to get their manifestos out there, it's far easier saying "Hi I'm Khan and Labour" rather than saying "Hi I'm Brian Rose and I want to do xxxx". People in London naturally associate themselves with the Labour Party more and more. I myself will be voting Khan this election, however the lack of competition is going to get dangerous. Although there's. general consensus among millennial onward that you need to look out for the greater population, and give everyone the best chance so in turn support labour. Although this is mostly only the case for those that go through the education system and meet people from all walks of life. I'd imagine another case is schools are treating people to be more politically aware, teaching being heavily unionised means the vast majority of teachers tend to be labour supporters and this is likely to pass through in schools, alongside the fact that once again school children meet people from all walks of life and are likely to want more equal treatment and opportunities and are in turn labour supporters. I think the Conservative party is now going to be fighting an uphill battle for the next 20 years at least within London, it will take a huge demographic shift to flip people over. I think it's generally accepted Khan will win now, but what interests me will be the borough to borough breakdown. I wonder if we will get any flips from the last election. Wouldn't be too surprised to see Hammersmith and Fulham flip, but something else I wonder is whether the pattern will follow the 2019 general election where there was increased Tory support in Brexit voting areas. Have you seen the increase in council tax bills. This is largely down to the increase in the GLA charge and most councils have not been shy about shouting it out! Compared to inflation thus increase is scandalous! He will have had 6 years to get things in order, and has only compounded things through lack of foresight, making things worse. Interested to see how Labour do in Croydon, after the sh1t show they have showered upon the residents over the past few years. Know many Labour supporters disenchanted with them. |
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Post by SILENCED on Mar 31, 2021 22:38:13 GMT
I think the it ultimately boils down to party politics. The only real standout was Livingstone, and that was only because of his history on the Greater London Council and then not randomly being elected as Labour's representative. The issue independents face is their relative lack of funds, lack of previous political history and getting their policies across. No doubt Rory Steward prior to dropping out was the most promising independent because of his prior political experience and impression within the London crowd for voting with the Benn act. Once he dropped out, other independents didn't have the ability to make an impression, the only independent candidate I knew prior to the election was Piers Corbyn, and let me not get into him. Brian Rose seems to be using Billboards and the likes, however most people do not even pay attention to them. Very easy to read "Brian Rose for Mayor" but then not reading up on his policies and then forgetting about him. With Khan and Bailey, people won't even need to read manifestos and policies. With Bailey you know you are getting a Tory, someone to the right of centre on the spectrum who will not be afraid to raise council taxes and travel fares, even if they have to be above inflation. Decisions are likely to be made more on a non-personal level, looking at the greater good, even if the decision in the end isn't. But in return you are likely to get a London that's more friendly to business and might be more financially stable. With Khan you get a Labour politician, somewhere to the left of centre and someone who as a result is not as likely to raise taxes, transport fares and is likely to resonate more with the poorer population of the city and will make decisions accordingly. This view obviously is likely to lead to less financial stability as more money is spent on equality. All the other candidates need to get their manifestos out there, it's far easier saying "Hi I'm Khan and Labour" rather than saying "Hi I'm Brian Rose and I want to do xxxx". People in London naturally associate themselves with the Labour Party more and more. I myself will be voting Khan this election, however the lack of competition is going to get dangerous. Although there's. general consensus among millennial onward that you need to look out for the greater population, and give everyone the best chance so in turn support labour. Although this is mostly only the case for those that go through the education system and meet people from all walks of life. I'd imagine another case is schools are treating people to be more politically aware, teaching being heavily unionised means the vast majority of teachers tend to be labour supporters and this is likely to pass through in schools, alongside the fact that once again school children meet people from all walks of life and are likely to want more equal treatment and opportunities and are in turn labour supporters. I think the Conservative party is now going to be fighting an uphill battle for the next 20 years at least within London, it will take a huge demographic shift to flip people over. I think it's generally accepted Khan will win now, but what interests me will be the borough to borough breakdown. I wonder if we will get any flips from the last election. Wouldn't be too surprised to see Hammersmith and Fulham flip, but something else I wonder is whether the pattern will follow the 2019 general election where there was increased Tory support in Brexit voting areas. We will have to wait another year to see if councils switch, those elections aren’t until 2022. Interestingly whoever wins will only serve a three year term to bring the next mayoral election to 2024 as expected. There are 5 by elections in Croydon on the same date, including one in my ward ... to be honest these hold more interest to me than who can win the most useless man in London competition. |
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Post by vjaska on Mar 31, 2021 23:09:34 GMT
I think the it ultimately boils down to party politics. The only real standout was Livingstone, and that was only because of his history on the Greater London Council and then not randomly being elected as Labour's representative. The issue independents face is their relative lack of funds, lack of previous political history and getting their policies across. No doubt Rory Steward prior to dropping out was the most promising independent because of his prior political experience and impression within the London crowd for voting with the Benn act. Once he dropped out, other independents didn't have the ability to make an impression, the only independent candidate I knew prior to the election was Piers Corbyn, and let me not get into him. Brian Rose seems to be using Billboards and the likes, however most people do not even pay attention to them. Very easy to read "Brian Rose for Mayor" but then not reading up on his policies and then forgetting about him. With Khan and Bailey, people won't even need to read manifestos and policies. With Bailey you know you are getting a Tory, someone to the right of centre on the spectrum who will not be afraid to raise council taxes and travel fares, even if they have to be above inflation. Decisions are likely to be made more on a non-personal level, looking at the greater good, even if the decision in the end isn't. But in return you are likely to get a London that's more friendly to business and might be more financially stable. With Khan you get a Labour politician, somewhere to the left of centre and someone who as a result is not as likely to raise taxes, transport fares and is likely to resonate more with the poorer population of the city and will make decisions accordingly. This view obviously is likely to lead to less financial stability as more money is spent on equality. All the other candidates need to get their manifestos out there, it's far easier saying "Hi I'm Khan and Labour" rather than saying "Hi I'm Brian Rose and I want to do xxxx". People in London naturally associate themselves with the Labour Party more and more. I myself will be voting Khan this election, however the lack of competition is going to get dangerous. Although there's. general consensus among millennial onward that you need to look out for the greater population, and give everyone the best chance so in turn support labour. Although this is mostly only the case for those that go through the education system and meet people from all walks of life. I'd imagine another case is schools are treating people to be more politically aware, teaching being heavily unionised means the vast majority of teachers tend to be labour supporters and this is likely to pass through in schools, alongside the fact that once again school children meet people from all walks of life and are likely to want more equal treatment and opportunities and are in turn labour supporters. I think the Conservative party is now going to be fighting an uphill battle for the next 20 years at least within London, it will take a huge demographic shift to flip people over. I think it's generally accepted Khan will win now, but what interests me will be the borough to borough breakdown. I wonder if we will get any flips from the last election. Wouldn't be too surprised to see Hammersmith and Fulham flip, but something else I wonder is whether the pattern will follow the 2019 general election where there was increased Tory support in Brexit voting areas. Have you seen the increase in council tax bills. This is largely down to the increase in the GLA charge and most councils have not been shy about shouting it out! Compared to inflation thus increase is scandalous! He will have had 6 years to get things in order, and has only compounded things through lack of foresight, making things worse. Interested to see how Labour do in Croydon, after the sh1t show they have showered upon the residents over the past few years. Know many Labour supporters disenchanted with them. That's what happens when Croydon decides to nab our council leader here in Lambeth as much as Steve Reed was useless as was Lib Peck after him. Thank goodness we ain't bankrupt though that's because Lambeth just trousers the money for themselves anyway. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Apr 3, 2021 12:12:01 GMT
Was he reelected in 2020? No, so he has no valid mandate. We do not yet live under a Stalin regime, so he is acting as mayor without a popular mandate. I think that is being OTT, and I dont even like Khan but would not go that far. It is as bad as people who were tweeting that Trump was not their president when he won, then we had the same now Biden went in. Just life as much as we don't like it, has to go on. It was not Khan's fault the pandemic got in the way, iirc he wanted the election last year. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Apr 3, 2021 12:17:09 GMT
I'm sure most people here know Sir John Curtice www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/professor-sir-john-curtice-london-mayor-election-2021-sadiq-khan-b926525.htmlNo surprise about his estimate, I think Brexit will have killed pretty much any chance of the Tories getting into power in the near future. Bailey's chances are getting slimmer and slimmer. Notably the three main groups against Tory support are remainers, BAME individuals and graduates. There used to be a case where people are more likely to vote Tory as they grew older but that trend has pretty much disappeared. I still do not trust pollsters, they seem to be way off the mark. I still do not believe Khan would win by the extreme's being mentioned. One thing I have noticed a lot of people in London do say they would not vote Conservative and still do. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Apr 3, 2021 12:21:55 GMT
As long as there are pockets of opposition to Kahn that is all that matters. Frankly I think London needs a new direction so really I want anyone other than Kahn to win. London has stagnated under his leadership and we need a Mayor who is action and not just reaction. We deserve a mayor who can ignore national politics and focus on issues affecting everyday Londoners like transport, policing and the growing rage of crime. We deserve a mayor who can enact change not just blame everyone else for their lack of skills. It’s just shame that people would rather vote for the devil they know and that’s all Kahns likely victory will boil down to. Also I find the term BAME offensive, just an FYI. I think the it ultimately boils down to party politics. The only real standout was Livingstone, and that was only because of his history on the Greater London Council and then not randomly being elected as Labour's representative. The issue independents face is their relative lack of funds, lack of previous political history and getting their policies across. No doubt Rory Steward prior to dropping out was the most promising independent because of his prior political experience and impression within the London crowd for voting with the Benn act. Once he dropped out, other independents didn't have the ability to make an impression, the only independent candidate I knew prior to the election was Piers Corbyn, and let me not get into him. Brian Rose seems to be using Billboards and the likes, however most people do not even pay attention to them. Very easy to read "Brian Rose for Mayor" but then not reading up on his policies and then forgetting about him. With Khan and Bailey, people won't even need to read manifestos and policies. With Bailey you know you are getting a Tory, someone to the right of centre on the spectrum who will not be afraid to raise council taxes and travel fares, even if they have to be above inflation. Decisions are likely to be made more on a non-personal level, looking at the greater good, even if the decision in the end isn't. But in return you are likely to get a London that's more friendly to business and might be more financially stable. With Khan you get a Labour politician, somewhere to the left of centre and someone who as a result is not as likely to raise taxes, transport fares and is likely to resonate more with the poorer population of the city and will make decisions accordingly. This view obviously is likely to lead to less financial stability as more money is spent on equality. All the other candidates need to get their manifestos out there, it's far easier saying "Hi I'm Khan and Labour" rather than saying "Hi I'm Brian Rose and I want to do xxxx". People in London naturally associate themselves with the Labour Party more and more. I myself will be voting Khan this election, however the lack of competition is going to get dangerous. Although there's. general consensus among millennial onward that you need to look out for the greater population, and give everyone the best chance so in turn support labour. Although this is mostly only the case for those that go through the education system and meet people from all walks of life. I'd imagine another case is schools are treating people to be more politically aware, teaching being heavily unionised means the vast majority of teachers tend to be labour supporters and this is likely to pass through in schools, alongside the fact that once again school children meet people from all walks of life and are likely to want more equal treatment and opportunities and are in turn labour supporters. I think the Conservative party is now going to be fighting an uphill battle for the next 20 years at least within London, it will take a huge demographic shift to flip people over. I think it's generally accepted Khan will win now, but what interests me will be the borough to borough breakdown. I wonder if we will get any flips from the last election. Wouldn't be too surprised to see Hammersmith and Fulham flip, but something else I wonder is whether the pattern will follow the 2019 general election where there was increased Tory support in Brexit voting areas. Really? but Khan has raised council tax many times. As you have mentioned the schools is where momentum are pushing their agenda hard with teachers and curriculum. This is what is driving up further racism, sexism etc and they do not even realise it. They are going past the tipping point, when the youth get older, they then see those things being taught in school a farce. its as bad as environment etc. remember keep Britan tidy in the 80's and imagine many of those littering are from that era who were blue peter lovers caring for the planet and now have done a 360 |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Apr 3, 2021 12:26:28 GMT
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Post by dashing0ne on Apr 3, 2021 13:27:02 GMT
A very diverse set of candidates this year. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Apr 3, 2021 23:48:04 GMT
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Post by VMH2537 on Apr 6, 2021 15:24:48 GMT
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Post by ronnie on Apr 6, 2021 15:34:00 GMT
What about the cost of rebranding / painting everything in new colours? I do like Shuttle McShuttleface though |
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