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Post by TB123 on Apr 12, 2021 18:58:23 GMT
greg you said that the 31 has capacity issues, here is a solution The 148 is being reduced to 6bph, it is currently about 8bph. Without making the corridor too overbussed between Notting Hill and Shep Bush, you could then increase the 31 by an extra 2bph from the 148 or even some VMHs from the 113 when it is reduced which means that the 31 would be increased with no extra cost and the whole route is busy so I could definitely see that being an option. As for the 29 and 253 though they do follow each other from Camden Town to Manor House they are definitely needed along there so I wouldn't use that an example. An increase to the 31 *would* be at extra cost even if there were other reductions because any business case for an increase would likely be measured against the performance of that particular route |
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Post by jrussa on Apr 12, 2021 20:18:36 GMT
Greenwich suffers from a lack of north-south links within the borough - only the 161 between Woolwich and Eltham, which faffs around at Queen Elizabeth Hospital; and the 286 between Greenwich town centre and Eltham, which inexplicably suffered a Sunday frequency cut recently. There's also the 132 between Eltham and North Greenwich, although that skips a great chunk of potential custom by using the A102. Despite Woolwich being the borough's biggest town centre, there are no direct links from much of the south of the borough. As mentioned above, that odd north-south issue also manifests itself in the lack of links between Thamesmead/Abbey Wood and Welling/Eltham. Lewisham's not bad but has a different version of the same problem - a lack of east-west links; nothing from Blackheath Village to Brockley or New Cross; nothing from Lee to Forest Hill. That latter one Is part of a south London-wide problem. Found the Newham/Tower Hamlets comments above interesting - it's odd that the Isle of Dogs and Royal Docks have remained in their own silos with no links, despite the Lower Lea Crossing. Talking about a Blackheath to Brockley link, around 10 years ago there was a local campaign in Brockley to extend the 484 from Lewisham to somewhere in Greenwich. (I do not remember if it was the town centre) |
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Post by londonboy71 on Apr 12, 2021 20:28:30 GMT
I’ve lived in Ealing, Brent, Lambeth and Greenwich boroughs - of those 4, I second your shout for Lambeth. Everywhere seemed to easy to reach by bus....especially as I lived near the boundary with Southwark - Waterloo and Elephant & Castle were my main interchanges. Greenwich would be hugely improved if we had a permanent river crossing to the east of the borough. Barking, Dagenham and Ilford are so close, yet so far. It is pretty much as you describe unless your trying to go east to west which is a wider issue for South London as a whole TBF - it helps that Lambeth is very dependent on the bus being one of the areas with one of the lowest rates of car ownership in the UK. Brixton on its own probably has a better network than some boroughs due to it being known to some as the gateway to South & South East London as well as sited on one of the most heavily used bus corridors on the A23. I'd say Ealing Broadway is one of the best. Kingston Richmond Ruislip White City Uxbridge Hounslow Harrow Hillingdon Wembley Golders Green Willesden Brent X Finchley all direct from Ealing Broadway. 6 night routes.i rest my case |
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Post by ak121 on Apr 12, 2021 20:39:14 GMT
It is pretty much as you describe unless your trying to go east to west which is a wider issue for South London as a whole TBF - it helps that Lambeth is very dependent on the bus being one of the areas with one of the lowest rates of car ownership in the UK. Brixton on its own probably has a better network than some boroughs due to it being known to some as the gateway to South & South East London as well as sited on one of the most heavily used bus corridors on the A23. I'd say Ealing Broadway is one of the best. Kingston Richmond Ruislip White City Uxbridge Hounslow Harrow Hillingdon Wembley Golders Green Willesden Brent X Finchley all direct from Ealing Broadway. 6 night routes.i rest my case Yep, I agree Ealing has quite a robust network and the potential extension of the E1 to Osterley will only add to that. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2021 10:57:04 GMT
Hounslow as a borough has got a few decent links but could be better.
It's got places such as Slough and Staines which not many others go to, yet the places to the south all seem to be the same like Twickenham, Richmond and Kingston. Would like to see a Hounslow-Greenford Bdy link, perhaps through an extension of the H32.
Also the X26 doesn't even stop in the borough (Hatton Cross is just about in Hillingdon), but Feltham has decent links to Heathrow so doesn't need another.
Problem is some roads such as Windmill Lane in Osterley can't have buses so that prevents a direct link from places such as Osterley to Greenford.
Since the 27 was removed from Chiswick there are hardly any links to Central London, the only ones really being the 94 and the 70, both of which only just enter the border.
Richmond also has a similar problem, but with open space since Richmond Park is in the way so there should be a quicker link to Wimbledon had it not been for Richmond Park, but generally Richmond has decent links such as Tooting, Ealing, Sutton and Croydon (albeit on the express X26), Morden, Tolworth.
The only places it lacks are to the north of the A4 corridor, Central London and sort of east of Wandsworth. Ideally there should be more routes reaching the GWR such a link to Hayes or Southall. The 22 could be extended somewhere in Barnes and ideally more routes from Barnes going east to places such as Streatham
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Post by vjaska on Apr 13, 2021 11:56:12 GMT
The 22 could be extended somewhere in Barnes and ideally more routes from Barnes going east to places such as Streatham As someone who lives in Lambeth, we don’t require any sort of link to Barnes and I’d be surprised if Barnes wanted one in return. Barnes has a link to Wandsworth which never seems to be used enough to justify anything else |
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Post by thekbq14 on Apr 13, 2021 12:22:25 GMT
I know someone already said it but excluding a central borough like a Westminster, K&C, Islington and the City of London etc. the best I'd say is Croydon which I might be biased with. I know someone already said this to on the first page where they were referring to the boroughs good links to places outside like the X26, X68 and length of the 60. But cross borough connection is good too. From north to south there's the 60, 64, 119, 198?, 289, 312, 407, 466, 468 (which goes all the way to Elephant and Castle), 127 (goes via Boroughs of Sutton, Merton and Wandsworth), 463 (Same as 127 except Wandsworth) and 130 (which skips Croydon town centre). East to West there's 119, 157, 289, 410, 466. With there also being round the houses type routes as well in 367, 410, 434, 450, 455 and those that go to New Addington, so there is a good variety of routes.
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Post by galwhv69 on Apr 13, 2021 13:00:25 GMT
The 22 could be extended somewhere in Barnes and ideally more routes from Barnes going east to places such as Streatham As someone who lives in Lambeth, we don’t require any sort of link to Barnes and I’d be surprised if Barnes wanted one in return. Barnes has a link to Wandsworth which never seems to be used enough to justify anything else   |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2021 13:14:43 GMT
The 22 could be extended somewhere in Barnes and ideally more routes from Barnes going east to places such as Streatham As someone who lives in Lambeth, we don’t require any sort of link to Barnes and I’d be surprised if Barnes wanted one in return. Barnes has a link to Wandsworth which never seems to be used enough to justify anything else I'm not saying the 37 should be extended/rerouted but the 37 does go as far as Putney, which is fairly near to Barnes, and they're pretty similar in levels (or lack of) deprivation, so I don't see much difference. Of course, I'm not local to Lambeth and you are, so you have a better say in your explanation, so I'll leave it to you to justify why there's a link to Putney but not Barnes |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 13, 2021 13:26:55 GMT
As someone who lives in Lambeth, we don’t require any sort of link to Barnes and I’d be surprised if Barnes wanted one in return. Barnes has a link to Wandsworth which never seems to be used enough to justify anything else I'm not saying the 37 should be extended/rerouted but the 37 does go as far as Putney, which is fairly near to Barnes, and they're pretty similar in levels (or lack of) deprivation, so I don't see much difference. Of course, I'm not local to Lambeth and you are, so you have a better say in your explanation, so I'll leave it to you to justify why there's a link to Putney but not Barnes The 37 is a different case as it has existed in some form or other for generations and most Lambeth people use it to access Clapham Junction & Wandsworth. I'd argue that Putney, whilst having less deprivation, probably is more diverse than Barnes. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2021 15:11:38 GMT
I know someone already said it but excluding a central borough like a Westminster, K&C, Islington and the City of London etc. the best I'd say is Croydon which I might be biased with. I know someone already said this to on the first page where they were referring to the boroughs good links to places outside like the X26, X68 and length of the 60. But cross borough connection is good too. From north to south there's the 60, 64, 119, 198?, 289, 312, 407, 466, 468 (which goes all the way to Elephant and Castle), 127 (goes via Boroughs of Sutton, Merton and Wandsworth), 463 (Same as 127 except Wandsworth) and 130 (which skips Croydon town centre). East to West there's 119, 157, 289, 410, 466. With there also being round the houses type routes as well in 367, 410, 434, 450, 455 and those that go to New Addington, so there is a good variety of routes. As well as services to towns in Surrey like Caterham, Redhill, Banstead and Epsom. |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 13, 2021 15:12:16 GMT
As someone who lives in Lambeth, we don’t require any sort of link to Barnes and I’d be surprised if Barnes wanted one in return. Barnes has a link to Wandsworth which never seems to be used enough to justify anything else Is it Barnes or Roehampton you travel to? I thought it was the latter? |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Apr 13, 2021 15:23:25 GMT
Barking and Dagenham is extremely poor, you can't get further West from there than Stratford or Canning Town. Even links to Newham which is the next borough along are shocking, you've only got the 5, 86, 238, 173 and 366. Even the 173 and 366 only just make it across the border and terminate at Beckton. Effectively only leaving the 5, 86 and 238 actually making it to any other town centres over the border from B&D to Newham. You do technically have the 325, but it only has one stop in B&D. I think in terms of "day to day" travel, B&D is pretty well served- routes heading out to other local shopping areas like Ilford, Romford, Beckton, Stratford etc plus local links to all the main residential areas and estates across the borough. B&D also has some really good rail links with the District, H&C, c2c, Overground and soon the Elizabeth line, which are all fed really well by the local bus network. |
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Post by galwhv69 on Apr 13, 2021 15:23:49 GMT
Ahem Is it Barnes or Roehampton you travel to? I thought it was the latter? Roehampton, but I can also walk through Putney Park Lane, however I don't often do that as, if the 337 is screwed, I have no other buses from there (without waiting for 430 to change) (Anyways, it was more of a tongue in cheek reply ) |
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Post by CircleLineofLife on Apr 13, 2021 16:55:18 GMT
I would say Hillingdon isn’t brilliant. Quite restricted night links at present, with Heathrow being the main centre for nights , followed by Uxbridge, which has a 30 min N207 and 24/7 222. No night tube (I’m excluding Heathrow and Hatton Cross). No night route serves Hillingdon Hospital. I’d like to see TfL take over the Slough to Uxbridge routes, a route from Uxbridge to Harrow via Hillingdon Hospital which could be 24/7 . Hopefully one day the Met Line will run all night to at least Harrow on the Hill, this could be years away though. I think the night network in Hillingdon is dreadful, 114 should defo be 24hrs and extend to uxbridge, and maybe an N183 extend it to northwood or mount vernon hospital. The 278 has made the daytime network better as, to get from the northern half of hillingdon to the southern half you would need to go through Uxbridge. There needs to be more routes like the 278 in Hillingdon that doesnt centre the bus network round uxbridge. |
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