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Post by kmkcheng on Feb 15, 2024 23:45:31 GMT
I think despite the fact it's gone down like a Lead Balloon, this looks to be something TfL are pressing on with regardless. So while the initial part of actually naming the lines has now been completed, the next stage will be executing this. To what scale will stations be rebranded? Will signs all over the network be changed or will they be left as 'London Overground'? Will platform announcements also be changed or will these also be left as London Overground? Many Overground only stations are themed across the colour Orange so will be interesting to see how all this gets tackled. I imagine the 710s will have all their digital adverts updated with the information on the renaming but the publicity will have to be key in this case. From some of the signage I spotted on the news I think London Overground will be retained as part of the new names. Do trains currently work across different lines? For example the East London stock used on the Richmond line? How will this be managed if the trains carry the new names and maps? Also be interesting when there are special workings during engineering works. As is the case now, the trains can work more than one line so will likely display all the new maps with their respective colours and names and presumably a new overground network map with colours. It’s like the S7 stock as they can work all 3 lines of Circle, District and H&C, they have maps for all 3 lines displayed.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 16, 2024 0:45:13 GMT
If anyone has stood high up on the platform at Peckham Rye will know why it is called the Windrush Line! Doesn't change the fact that Peckham Rye is more known for it's African connections whereas Brixton is well known, even beyond the UK's shores, for it's Caribbean culture - there are reasons why the two areas have long been seen as rivals just like the historical beef between some African & Caribbean communities have. Brixton literally has Windrush Square on the site of the old Grey Green depot which was created when the petrol station closed in the mid 90's because of the historical importance whilst some of the Windrush passengers originally stayed in ex war shelters in Clapham South. So as I said before, I'd have no issue with this if the Victoria Line had originally been called the Windrush Line or if TfL ever got their hands on the Victoria to Orpington stopping service and rebranded that as the Windrush Line as at least history and logic would align
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Post by greenboy on Feb 16, 2024 8:37:00 GMT
Apologies in advance to those who wanted/expected names of royals, that's truly done and dusted. Lizzy will be the last one, and even then I still call it Crossrail. There'll always be a disagreement over the names but what I find the most a shame is that the Overground no longer sticks out as a very visible orbital loop around London. It was bound to happen with the renaming but it's still a bit sad (especially how the colors are quite dreary and dark, even more so as they are two parallel lines rather than a solid line). Regarding the Mildmay Line, it really could've been either the ELL or NLL given that they both pass via Mildmay Park (thanks bus curtailment point for making me know where that is!). It all lacks a bit of consistency is my only complaint. Mildmay is quite nice and probably my favorite. It's geographically related but still has significance (apparently -- anyway the everyday commuter won't care about that part). I'm sure similar names could've been found along those lines for the rest of the lines yet still relating to the themes they wanted. I was never a fan of Elizabeth line, especially as the Queen was still alive then, made no sense. I still refer to it as TfL Rail or Crossrail. I've never heard anyone refer to it as the Elizabeth Line, it's either the Liz Line, Crossrail or the tube.
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Post by route53 on Feb 16, 2024 11:46:23 GMT
I was never a fan of Elizabeth line, especially as the Queen was still alive then, made no sense. I still refer to it as TfL Rail or Crossrail. I've never heard anyone refer to it as the Elizabeth Line, it's either the Liz Line, Crossrail or the tube. Same, I myself call it either “the Liz” or CrossRail and have heard people refer to it as CrossRail too. The Elizabeth line name I can accept, the late Queen served our country faithfully for 70 years, and was a constant presence of calm and stoic leadership (same can’t be said for the last several PM’s since the 2000s) we will never again have another monarch like her and she will be the last Queen in my lifetime. The new names for the overground on the other hand are cringeworthy at best, and won’t age well over time
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Post by southlondon413 on Feb 16, 2024 11:49:29 GMT
I've never heard anyone refer to it as the Elizabeth Line, it's either the Liz Line, Crossrail or the tube. Same, I myself call it either “the Liz” or CrossRail and have heard people refer to it as CrossRail too. The Elizabeth line name I can accept, the late Queen served our country faithfully for 70 years, and was a constant presence of calm and stoic leadership (same can’t be said for the last several PM’s since the 2000s) we will never again have another monarch like her and she will be the last Queen in my lifetime. The new names for the overground on the other hand are cringeworthy at best, and won’t age well over time Not when you consider that numerous historians now considered the suffragettes to be the equivalent of a modern day terrorist organisation.
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Post by B9TL205 on Feb 16, 2024 16:51:15 GMT
Apologies in advance to those who wanted/expected names of royals, that's truly done and dusted. Lizzy will be the last one, and even then I still call it Crossrail. There'll always be a disagreement over the names but what I find the most a shame is that the Overground no longer sticks out as a very visible orbital loop around London. It was bound to happen with the renaming but it's still a bit sad (especially how the colors are quite dreary and dark, even more so as they are two parallel lines rather than a solid line). Regarding the Mildmay Line, it really could've been either the ELL or NLL given that they both pass via Mildmay Park (thanks bus curtailment point for making me know where that is!). It all lacks a bit of consistency is my only complaint. Mildmay is quite nice and probably my favorite. It's geographically related but still has significance (apparently -- anyway the everyday commuter won't care about that part). I'm sure similar names could've been found along those lines for the rest of the lines yet still relating to the themes they wanted. I was never a fan of Elizabeth line, especially as the Queen was still alive then, made no sense. I still refer to it as TfL Rail or Crossrail. Was never a big fan of the Elizabeth Line name either. Crossrail just sounded more appropiate for a fast, commuter train line basically crossing two parts of London. Even Tfl Rail sounded fairly decent. Another thing is the announcements (specfically on the Central). When announcing the 'Elizabeth line' along with the other LU lines is just confusing, as if it's part of the London Underground network
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Post by Dillon95 on Feb 16, 2024 16:56:16 GMT
I absolutely HATE these names, they are rubbish. Khan is useless, I can’t wait for him to bugger off.
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Post by Dillon95 on Feb 16, 2024 16:58:31 GMT
The Suffragette Line is such a mouthful and not really approachable spelling wise. I appreciate the rationale but this does not feel like the right choice The Mildmay Line is a nice name but the reasoning feels geographically off, for such a long route it feels like it only reflects one small section of the line. The Liberty Line is probably the best of the bunch The other 3 are not the best but also not the worst Mildmay even worst that Mildmay Park station closed donkey years ago. Suffragette line, is just nothing but a laughing stock. Liberty line? Really?? Only thing people would think of is Taking f**king Liberties. Or that it is to do with Liberty shopping mall in Romford I too first thought of the Romford Shopping Centre upon hearing Liberty Line followed by Catherine Tate’s Nan. If Khan wants to give the Overground shopping centre names then I demand a Glades Line and a Whitgift Line.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Feb 16, 2024 17:09:59 GMT
When announcing the 'Elizabeth line' along with the other LU lines is just confusing, as if it's part of the London Underground network Unfortunately it isn’t part of the London Underground network, it’s a separate mode within TfL, as are DLR, Buses, London Overground, London Cable Car, Dial-a-Ride etc
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Post by mondraker275 on Feb 16, 2024 18:39:33 GMT
Interesting comments. I don't understand the waste of money comments.
A separation of the lines will be helpful and is understandable. I think most would agree. Therefore, renaming them anything would cost around £6.3m. Additionally, this is a very very small amount for public spending. If you have an issue with this being a waste of money (even though it will not be anyway as it will be spent to rename) then you don't live in the real world or you will be shocked by large sums actually wasted with no end product.
Personally, don't like all the names but I suspect they will become norm.
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Post by southlondon413 on Feb 16, 2024 19:38:32 GMT
Interesting comments. I don't understand the waste of money comments. A separation of the lines will be helpful and is understandable. I think most would agree. Therefore, renaming them anything would cost around £6.3m. Additionally, this is a very very small amount for public spending. If you have an issue with this being a waste of money (even though it will not be anyway as it will be spent to rename) then you don't live in the real world or you will be shocked by large sums actually wasted with no end product. Personally, don't like all the names but I suspect they will become norm. For me it isn’t about the cost, I have long since changed my position on the Overground and now agree it needs simplifying. But the names are just pure virtue signalling garbage. The fact that TfL paid an agency over £100k to think these up is abhorrent. They are so tenuous and so loosely linked to their meaning.
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Post by Dillon95 on Feb 16, 2024 20:26:05 GMT
I don’t understand why they haven’t used orange for one of the lines still.
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Post by B9TL205 on Feb 16, 2024 20:51:58 GMT
When announcing the 'Elizabeth line' along with the other LU lines is just confusing, as if it's part of the London Underground network Unfortunately it isn’t part of the London Underground network, it’s a separate mode within TfL, as are DLR, Buses, London Overground, London Cable Car, Dial-a-Ride etc Apologies should've made it more sense, I meant the Elizabeth Line shouldn't be announced with the LU lines and make it more divided given its a separate mode from the London Underground. An example is how the its announced for Tottenham Court Road and the announcer pronounces 'Change here for the Elizabeth and Piccadilly Lines'. I feel it would've been better if it was just called Crossrail after all, the announcement doesn't indicate well if it's separate when it is although many people probably won't find it deep. Just that I always found it rather odd
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Post by Dillon95 on Feb 16, 2024 21:39:51 GMT
Unfortunately it isn’t part of the London Underground network, it’s a separate mode within TfL, as are DLR, Buses, London Overground, London Cable Car, Dial-a-Ride etc Apologies should've made it more sense, I meant the Elizabeth Line shouldn't be announced with the LU lines and make it more divided given its a separate mode from the London Underground. An example is how the its announced for Tottenham Court Road and the announcer pronounces 'Change here for the Elizabeth and Piccadilly Lines'. I feel it would've been better if it was just called Crossrail after all, the announcement doesn't indicate well if it's separate when it is although many people probably won't find it deep. Just that I always found it rather odd Crossrail (or London Crossrail?) should be the name of the mode and Elizabeth Line should just be the name of the existing west to east line, with the idea of there being further Crossrail lines in the future with separate line identities. I like the idea of the metro stopping suburban Thameslink routes being gobbled up and becoming the north to south Crossrail line.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Feb 17, 2024 0:51:49 GMT
I was never a fan of Elizabeth line, especially as the Queen was still alive then, made no sense. I still refer to it as TfL Rail or Crossrail. I've never heard anyone refer to it as the Elizabeth Line, it's either the Liz Line, Crossrail or the tube. Never use the term 'Liz' line or heard anyone call it that, just sounds crass!
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