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Post by southlondon413 on Feb 21, 2024 12:40:14 GMT
End of the day the London Overground network was becoming far too tangled and it was actually an amalgam of separate lines. Naming them is a good idea, the problem actually rising on social media is more so the names that were picked as opposed to the fact that they are being named. The Tories are in no way the saner option here, showing themselves to be anti-rail with scrapping HS2 and are now even seen to be taking steps to sell off the land before the next election so that a future Labour government can't reverse the decision. I'm sure if it was up to Susan Hall one of the lines would end up called the British Gas Line, another the Emirates Line and probably a Saudi Armco one too where they try to sell off naming rights. Like I said there's plenty of things to attack Khan on, but the competition is doing an amazing job of pitching themselves as the worse option. Quoting myself, but seems the quip I made about the Tories trying to sell of naming rights seems to be true after all www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/sadiq-khan-london-overground-line-names-naming-rights-conservatives-tories-money-transport-tfl-b1139639.htmlWe can probably take solace in the fact that despite Khan is bad, the Tories will always find a way to be worse. Regardless of how you feel about Tories selling name rights to stations, lines etc isn’t a bad way to bring in extra revenue. We don’t flutter an eyelid at The O2 or stations like Vauxhall being sponsored by companies. Obviously I wouldn’t suggest like the McDonalds line but no harm in some light corporate money filling the coffers.
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Post by SILENCED on Feb 21, 2024 12:55:52 GMT
End of the day the London Overground network was becoming far too tangled and it was actually an amalgam of separate lines. Naming them is a good idea, the problem actually rising on social media is more so the names that were picked as opposed to the fact that they are being named. The Tories are in no way the saner option here, showing themselves to be anti-rail with scrapping HS2 and are now even seen to be taking steps to sell off the land before the next election so that a future Labour government can't reverse the decision. I'm sure if it was up to Susan Hall one of the lines would end up called the British Gas Line, another the Emirates Line and probably a Saudi Armco one too where they try to sell off naming rights. Like I said there's plenty of things to attack Khan on, but the competition is doing an amazing job of pitching themselves as the worse option. Quoting myself, but seems the quip I made about the Tories trying to sell of naming rights seems to be true after all www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/sadiq-khan-london-overground-line-names-naming-rights-conservatives-tories-money-transport-tfl-b1139639.htmlWe can probably take solace in the fact that despite Khan is bad, the Tories will always find a way to be worse. If you are going to come up with crap names for rail lines, you might as well be paid for doing it than having to pay for it. Sadly some would rather taxpayers fund everything rather than private companies.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Feb 21, 2024 13:02:41 GMT
Regardless of how you feel about Tories selling name rights to stations, lines etc isn’t a bad way to bring in extra revenue. We don’t flutter an eyelid at The O2 or stations like Vauxhall being sponsored by companies. Obviously I wouldn’t suggest like the McDonalds line but no harm in some light corporate money filling the coffers. When Bond Street was temporarily renamed the outrage was enormous. The line names are not something that should be changed every 3 years just because Etihad has decided to stop funding and Abbott wants to take over. They need to be constant like the London Underground names currently are.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 21, 2024 15:21:38 GMT
Regardless of how you feel about Tories selling name rights to stations, lines etc isn’t a bad way to bring in extra revenue. We don’t flutter an eyelid at The O2 or stations like Vauxhall being sponsored by companies. Obviously I wouldn’t suggest like the McDonalds line but no harm in some light corporate money filling the coffers. But Vauxhall is still called Vauxhall - the sponsorship signs are on separate signs below the station sign and it should also be noted, this is only at the SWR station not run by TfL, whereas the tube station, to my knowledge, doesn't have this at all. The Tory proposal is to rename the Overground lines with various different sponsorship names isn't the same thing as the Vauxhall example - the lines would be completely called something else and the names wouldn't remain constant because when one sponsor loses it's contract, the line would need to be renamed. It should be noted the backlash that happened with Bond Street recently in regards to this issue
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Post by route53 on Feb 21, 2024 17:57:04 GMT
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Post by COBO on Feb 21, 2024 18:27:03 GMT
That’s not the only line that is in trouble. The Central line is also in trouble.
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Post by WH241 on Feb 21, 2024 18:32:03 GMT
That’s not the only line that is in trouble. The Central line is also in trouble. I think the point being made is where is Khan’s priorities! I wouldn’t have had such an issue with the renaming if it was sponsored for say 5 years and generated a income for TfL.
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Post by SILENCED on Feb 21, 2024 18:41:03 GMT
That’s not the only line that is in trouble. The Central line is also in trouble. Don't worry he will get another term to totally screw it up
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Post by capitalomnibus on Feb 21, 2024 22:40:27 GMT
That’s not the only line that is in trouble. The Central line is also in trouble. Same with the Piccadilly, very often now there seems to be a shortage of trains.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Feb 21, 2024 22:52:46 GMT
That’s not the only line that is in trouble. The Central line is also in trouble. I think the point being made is where is Khan’s priorities! I wouldn’t have had such an issue with the renaming if it was sponsored for say 5 years and generated a income for TfL. After every 5 years all the lines would have to change names, assuming that they then manage to find a sponsor. There could very well also be a gap between an old sponsor ending and a new one appearing. I can imagine companies will be flocking at the chance to get the East London Line named after them but who will want to fork out to sponsor the Romford to Upminster Line? Will the line be given a temporary name while they work out what to do? This then opens a massive can of worms as to what companies will want to sponsor what. Disney sponsoring a line which may go through a predominantly Jewish area will go down like a lead balloon and Qatar Airways potentially sponsoring one will also cause a mess as there's multiple reports that staff with them are treated badly. Then you've got other dirty tricks that companies could start potentially playing on each other, what if Siemens decide to buy naming rights to lines run by Alstom trains? What if McDonald's wants to get naming rights, but are blocked? This selling out model has happened in Dubai, stations like Rashidiya became Centrepoint (after a local supermarket chain), Al Jafila becoming MAX after an Asian fashion brand and Noor Bank becoming Onpassive. A lot of these, especially Al Jafila being renamed caused mass confusion especially with tourists. It's always a lot easier with major attractions where there's unlikely to be any snowball effects but assuming each line would have its own sponsor it provides too much opportunity for variability of different scales. When you use public transport you need a constant non-changing name to refer to them by.
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Post by matthieu1221 on Feb 22, 2024 1:32:01 GMT
I think the point being made is where is Khan’s priorities! I wouldn’t have had such an issue with the renaming if it was sponsored for say 5 years and generated a income for TfL. After every 5 years all the lines would have to change names, assuming that they then manage to find a sponsor. There could very well also be a gap between an old sponsor ending and a new one appearing. I can imagine companies will be flocking at the chance to get the East London Line named after them but who will want to fork out to sponsor the Romford to Upminster Line? Will the line be given a temporary name while they work out what to do? This then opens a massive can of worms as to what companies will want to sponsor what. Disney sponsoring a line which may go through a predominantly Jewish area will go down like a lead balloon and Qatar Airways potentially sponsoring one will also cause a mess as there's multiple reports that staff with them are treated badly. Then you've got other dirty tricks that companies could start potentially playing on each other, what if Siemens decide to buy naming rights to lines run by Alstom trains? What if McDonald's wants to get naming rights, but are blocked? This selling out model has happened in Dubai, stations like Rashidiya became Centrepoint (after a local supermarket chain), Al Jafila becoming MAX after an Asian fashion brand and Noor Bank becoming Onpassive. A lot of these, especially Al Jafila being renamed caused mass confusion especially with tourists. It's always a lot easier with major attractions where there's unlikely to be any snowball effects but assuming each line would have its own sponsor it provides too much opportunity for variability of different scales. When you use public transport you need a constant non-changing name to refer to them by. There's a more reasonable compromise going on in Kuala Lumpur with the sponsor name is in addition to the regular station name. Not a big fan of it at all though.
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Post by matthieu1221 on Mar 12, 2024 22:57:08 GMT
Geoff has an interesting video looking beyond just the names but also looking at the colours chosen with among other things an interview with the Head of Design at TfL.
It includes a preview of what the colors will look on the enamel signage seen around the network, so quite nice to see something beyond some superimposed CGI.
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Post by matthieu1221 on Mar 24, 2024 14:58:10 GMT
TfL Design Blog article on the design considerations when integrating the renaming (and colors) on TfL's digital products.
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Post by greenboy on Apr 1, 2024 9:27:09 GMT
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Post by someone on Apr 3, 2024 21:26:12 GMT
That’s not the only line that is in trouble. The Central line is also in trouble. Same with the Piccadilly, very often now there seems to be a shortage of trains. To be fair, the refurbished Central line trains are being rolled out as we speak, and the new Piccadilly line trains are expected to follow suit by the end of the year. No guarantee, of course (see class 701 technical and operational issues), but fingers crossed!
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