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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 14:40:45 GMT
I don’t understand why route 276 does not serve Canning Town Station. Surely that is a major traffic objective? Or is it to avoid swamping the single deckers on Barking Road with short distance trips to Canning Town Station that could be accommodated on double deck routes? The 276 serves local residential roads (Ordnance Road and Star Lane) which is a more important objective than yet another bus from Barking Road serving Canning Town Station. |
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Post by enviroPB on Apr 18, 2021 14:46:50 GMT
I don’t understand why route 276 does not serve Canning Town Station. Surely that is a major traffic objective? Or is it to avoid swamping the single deckers on Barking Road with short distance trips to Canning Town Station that could be accommodated on double deck routes? The same reason the 276 doesn't serve Stratford Broadway towards Stoke Newington I guess, to save on time. Ultimately though the reroute towards Bow did benefit passengers, it also added more running time to the route. There's also the arguements to be had of the difficulty of a bus turning right from Ordnance Road onto Barking Road for Canning Town and possibly houses near Star Lane not being with 400 metres of a bus if the 276 went direct via Manor Road. Nonetheless if a double run to Canning Town bus station from Ordnance Road were to be done, that's adding easily 8 minutes off peak to a route that exceeds 75 minutes in journey time. It's not favourable for onward passengers and there is normally a large exodus at Hermit Road southbound, presumably with those people heading to Canning Town station. Route 300 is a single deck route and takes passenger traffic towards Prince Regent Lane (south) at Canning Town station, thus relieving the 276 in the process. I completely ditto the sentiment towards your last sentence. I think the reroute through Bow has added patronage and greatly added links to the Old Ford area in particular, giving a daily link to Stratford after the S2 was withdrawn. I have used this route in Hackney and Homerton regularly a couple years ago and from the first bus to the last, the 276 remains extremely busy. I believe it's also due to serving high density areas and providing useful links from the routing it traverses. I think you may have read my post wrong, I prefer the current routing through Bow is better than when it went thru Waterden Road! I did not misread your post. I certainly remember Waterden Road pre Olympics and do have the memory of 276 drivers changing over right outside the garage at SD, thinking it's probably not allowed but wherever we are they can get away with it! I was very young back then lool  |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 18, 2021 15:07:25 GMT
I don’t understand why route 276 does not serve Canning Town Station. Surely that is a major traffic objective? Or is it to avoid swamping the single deckers on Barking Road with short distance trips to Canning Town Station that could be accommodated on double deck routes? The 69 does the link very well from the Star Lane Estate area to Canning Town whilst West Ham is an interchange for both the DLR and Jubilee but also Hammersmith and City but also the District which makes me think that one of the reason the 276 gets so packed is due to West Ham Station.
I do wonder whether the 241 change sort of had an element of liquidating services along that little stretch of Barking Road. If the 241 does in fact get cutback maybe that stand could be used for a service currently standing in Canning Town from the west (with a double run round Canning Town Station), maybe the 309? Canning Town does get overcrowded stand wise so maybe there could be some scope for moving a route into the Hermit Road stand (I know I completely contradicted my statement there - I would possibly encourage that but TFL would think differently)
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Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 18, 2021 15:08:17 GMT
I don’t understand why route 276 does not serve Canning Town Station. Surely that is a major traffic objective? Or is it to avoid swamping the single deckers on Barking Road with short distance trips to Canning Town Station that could be accommodated on double deck routes? The same reason the 276 doesn't serve Stratford Broadway towards Stoke Newington I guess, to save on time. Ultimately though the reroute towards Bow did benefit passengers, it also added more running time to the route. There's also the arguements to be had of the difficulty of a bus turning right from Ordnance Road onto Barking Road for Canning Town and possibly houses near Star Lane not being with 400 metres of a bus if the 276 went direct via Manor Road. Nonetheless if a double run to Canning Town bus station from Ordnance Road were to be done, that's adding easily 8 minutes off peak to a route that exceeds 75 minutes in journey time. It's not favourable for onward passengers and there is normally a large exodus at Hermit Road southbound, presumably with those people heading to Canning Town station. Route 300 is a single deck route and takes passenger traffic towards Prince Regent Lane (south) at Canning Town station, thus relieving the 276 in the process. I think you may have read my post wrong, I prefer the current routing through Bow is better than when it went thru Waterden Road! I did not misread your post. I certainly remember Waterden Road pre Olympics and do have the memory of 276 drivers changing over right outside the garage at SD, thinking it's probably not allowed but wherever we are they can get away with it! I was very young back then lool Very sorry, I thought ditto was something negative. Had completely forgot the definition at the stage of writing that post so looked it up |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 15:21:01 GMT
I don’t understand why route 276 does not serve Canning Town Station. Surely that is a major traffic objective? Or is it to avoid swamping the single deckers on Barking Road with short distance trips to Canning Town Station that could be accommodated on double deck routes? The 69 does the link very well from the Star Lane Estate area to Canning Town whilst West Ham is an interchange for both the DLR and Jubilee but also Hammersmith and City but also the District which makes me think that one of the reason the 276 gets so packed is due to West Ham Station.
I do wonder whether the 241 change sort of had an element of liquidating services along that little stretch of Barking Road. If the 241 does in fact get cutback maybe that stand could be used for a service currently standing in Canning Town from the west (with a double run round Canning Town Station), maybe the 309? Canning Town does get overcrowded stand wise so maybe there could be some scope for moving a route into the Hermit Road stand (I know I completely contradicted my statement there - I would possibly encourage that but TFL would think differently)
Sorry but I have to challenge that statement about the 69, I have used the route a lot and yes it carries passengers to the station but starts emptying out from around Upper Road and all stops along Hermit Road, I don't like these big bold statements about routes being busy just for a excuse to adjust them. As for the Hermit Road stand it really struggles with two routes so wouldn't suggest replacing the 241 space with another route! The stand is sometimes really struggles it's pretty small and is also a bus stop for the 241 and 474. The 241 being cut back is because of over bussing between Barking Road and towards Keir Hardie. Edit : extending a route like the 309 would add more running time especially if running in service from Hermit Road stand. I think Canning Town Station is fine it's mainly the 147 that causes issues as think meal reliefs are taken here so sometimes buses lay over for long periods. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 18, 2021 15:24:27 GMT
The 69 does the link very well from the Star Lane Estate area to Canning Town whilst West Ham is an interchange for both the DLR and Jubilee but also Hammersmith and City but also the District which makes me think that one of the reason the 276 gets so packed is due to West Ham Station.
I do wonder whether the 241 change sort of had an element of liquidating services along that little stretch of Barking Road. If the 241 does in fact get cutback maybe that stand could be used for a service currently standing in Canning Town from the west (with a double run round Canning Town Station), maybe the 309? Canning Town does get overcrowded stand wise so maybe there could be some scope for moving a route into the Hermit Road stand (I know I completely contradicted my statement there - I would possibly encourage that but TFL would think differently)
Sorry but I have to challenge that statement about the 69, I have used the route a lot and yes it carries passengers to the station but starts emptying out from around Upper Road and all stops along Hermit Road, I don't like these big bold statements about routes being busy just for a excuse to adjust them. As for the Hermit Road stand it really struggles with two routes so wouldn't suggest replacing the 241 space with another route! The stand is sometimes really struggles it's pretty small and is also a bus stop for the 241 and 474. The 241 being cut back is because of over bussing between Barking Road and towards Keir Hardie. I didn't suggest the 276 to be changed! I believe its been mentioned here by Eastlondoner62 that the 276 gets very busy round West Ham Station and he is very knowledgeable of this area so I will take his word for it. Very interesting about the Hermit Road Stand, I had a look on Streetview and it does have 3 stands, I did think it had 4 but you are right on that. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Apr 18, 2021 16:02:17 GMT
I don’t understand why route 276 does not serve Canning Town Station. Surely that is a major traffic objective? Or is it to avoid swamping the single deckers on Barking Road with short distance trips to Canning Town Station that could be accommodated on double deck routes? The same reason the 276 doesn't serve Stratford Broadway towards Stoke Newington I guess, to save on time. Ultimately though the reroute towards Bow did benefit passengers, it also added more running time to the route. There's also the arguements to be had of the difficulty of a bus turning right from Ordnance Road onto Barking Road for Canning Town and possibly houses near Star Lane not being with 400 metres of a bus if the 276 went direct via Manor Road. Nonetheless if a double run to Canning Town bus station from Ordnance Road were to be done, that's adding easily 8 minutes off peak to a route that exceeds 75 minutes in journey time. It's not favourable for onward passengers and there is normally a large exodus at Hermit Road southbound, presumably with those people heading to Canning Town station. Route 300 is a single deck route and takes passenger traffic towards Prince Regent Lane (south) at Canning Town station, thus relieving the 276 in the process. I think you may have read my post wrong, I prefer the current routing through Bow is better than when it went thru Waterden Road! I did not misread your post. I certainly remember Waterden Road pre Olympics and do have the memory of 276 drivers changing over right outside the garage at SD, thinking it's probably not allowed but wherever we are they can get away with it! I was very young back then lool Very good points. Rather than a double run I was thinking about the 276 running direct to Canning Town via route 323 and then out to the hospital along Barking Road. Route 323 could be diverted to serve the Star Lane houses instead. |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 18, 2021 16:03:14 GMT
Sorry but I have to challenge that statement about the 69, I have used the route a lot and yes it carries passengers to the station but starts emptying out from around Upper Road and all stops along Hermit Road, I don't like these big bold statements about routes being busy just for a excuse to adjust them. As for the Hermit Road stand it really struggles with two routes so wouldn't suggest replacing the 241 space with another route! The stand is sometimes really struggles it's pretty small and is also a bus stop for the 241 and 474. The 241 being cut back is because of over bussing between Barking Road and towards Keir Hardie. I didn't suggest the 276 to be changed! I believe its been mentioned here by Eastlondoner62 that the 276 gets very busy round West Ham Station and he is very knowledgeable of this area so I will take his word for it. Very interesting about the Hermit Road Stand, I had a look on Streetview and it does have 3 stands, I did think it had 4 but you are right on that. The route record for the 474 mentions no more than 2 on stand at any one time which means only one 241 on stand so anything that was to replace the 241 there would ideally need to be low frequency especially as @dannyb mentions the current stand is a bit small and also doubles as a stop. |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 18, 2021 16:06:34 GMT
The same reason the 276 doesn't serve Stratford Broadway towards Stoke Newington I guess, to save on time. Ultimately though the reroute towards Bow did benefit passengers, it also added more running time to the route. There's also the arguements to be had of the difficulty of a bus turning right from Ordnance Road onto Barking Road for Canning Town and possibly houses near Star Lane not being with 400 metres of a bus if the 276 went direct via Manor Road. Nonetheless if a double run to Canning Town bus station from Ordnance Road were to be done, that's adding easily 8 minutes off peak to a route that exceeds 75 minutes in journey time. It's not favourable for onward passengers and there is normally a large exodus at Hermit Road southbound, presumably with those people heading to Canning Town station. Route 300 is a single deck route and takes passenger traffic towards Prince Regent Lane (south) at Canning Town station, thus relieving the 276 in the process. I did not misread your post. I certainly remember Waterden Road pre Olympics and do have the memory of 276 drivers changing over right outside the garage at SD, thinking it's probably not allowed but wherever we are they can get away with it! I was very young back then lool Very good points. Rather than a double run I was thinking about the 276 running direct to Canning Town via route 323 and then out to the hospital along Barking Road. Route 323 could be diverted to serve the Star Lane houses instead. But then that area loses its links to the hospital & West Ham Station and ends up with a lower frequency route - not sure that makes sense if I’m being totally honest |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 16:25:30 GMT
The same reason the 276 doesn't serve Stratford Broadway towards Stoke Newington I guess, to save on time. Ultimately though the reroute towards Bow did benefit passengers, it also added more running time to the route. There's also the arguements to be had of the difficulty of a bus turning right from Ordnance Road onto Barking Road for Canning Town and possibly houses near Star Lane not being with 400 metres of a bus if the 276 went direct via Manor Road. Nonetheless if a double run to Canning Town bus station from Ordnance Road were to be done, that's adding easily 8 minutes off peak to a route that exceeds 75 minutes in journey time. It's not favourable for onward passengers and there is normally a large exodus at Hermit Road southbound, presumably with those people heading to Canning Town station. Route 300 is a single deck route and takes passenger traffic towards Prince Regent Lane (south) at Canning Town station, thus relieving the 276 in the process. I did not misread your post. I certainly remember Waterden Road pre Olympics and do have the memory of 276 drivers changing over right outside the garage at SD, thinking it's probably not allowed but wherever we are they can get away with it! I was very young back then lool Very good points. Rather than a double run I was thinking about the 276 running direct to Canning Town via route 323 and then out to the hospital along Barking Road. Route 323 could be diverted to serve the Star Lane houses instead. But why? The 276 would them just be duplicating the 300 from Prince Regent Lane to Canning Town and as for the 323 I don't see what that will achieve I am pretty sure people boarding the 276 in the residential roads are heading towards Stratford! All the 323 change would do is give them a bus towards Mile End with no common stop to even interchange to the 276 from Canning Town Station. Said it earlier but what's the point of the changes? It's change for the sake of change. I don't wish to seem rude but some of the comments today about the 276 are clearly being made by people not local. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Apr 18, 2021 18:44:19 GMT
Very good points. Rather than a double run I was thinking about the 276 running direct to Canning Town via route 323 and then out to the hospital along Barking Road. Route 323 could be diverted to serve the Star Lane houses instead. But why? The 276 would them just be duplicating the 300 from Prince Regent Lane to Canning Town and as for the 323 I don't see what that will achieve I am pretty sure people boarding the 276 in the residential roads are heading towards Stratford! All the 323 change would do is give them a bus towards Mile End with no common stop to even interchange to the 276 from Canning Town Station. Said it earlier but what's the point of the changes? It's change for the sake of change. I don't wish to seem rude but some of the comments today about the 276 are clearly being made by people not local. Keep your hair on! This is a discussion forum, most proposals will have advantages and disadvantages and there needs to be scope for people to knock ideas off each other. Route 300 will no longer serve Newham University Hospital when Crossrail opens. At that point it seems strange that there will be no direct link between the hospital and the major transport interchange at Canning Town, from which people might make onward journeys. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 19:13:28 GMT
I don’t understand why route 276 does not serve Canning Town Station. Surely that is a major traffic objective? Or is it to avoid swamping the single deckers on Barking Road with short distance trips to Canning Town Station that could be accommodated on double deck routes? The same reason the 276 doesn't serve Stratford Broadway towards Stoke Newington I guess, to save on time. Ultimately though the reroute towards Bow did benefit passengers, it also added more running time to the route. There's also the arguements to be had of the difficulty of a bus turning right from Ordnance Road onto Barking Road for Canning Town and possibly houses near Star Lane not being with 400 metres of a bus if the 276 went direct via Manor Road. Nonetheless if a double run to Canning Town bus station from Ordnance Road were to be done, that's adding easily 8 minutes off peak to a route that exceeds 75 minutes in journey time. It's not favourable for onward passengers and there is normally a large exodus at Hermit Road southbound, presumably with those people heading to Canning Town station. Route 300 is a single deck route and takes passenger traffic towards Prince Regent Lane (south) at Canning Town station, thus relieving the 276 in the process. I think you may have read my post wrong, I prefer the current routing through Bow is better than when it went thru Waterden Road! I did not misread your post. I certainly remember Waterden Road pre Olympics and do have the memory of 276 drivers changing over right outside the garage at SD, thinking it's probably not allowed but wherever we are they can get away with it! I was very young back then lool The 276 never ran past SD? I remember drivers changed over at the stop on White Post Lane. Still have memories of how bleak the area was pre 2012. |
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Post by enviroPB on Apr 18, 2021 19:45:42 GMT
The same reason the 276 doesn't serve Stratford Broadway towards Stoke Newington I guess, to save on time. Ultimately though the reroute towards Bow did benefit passengers, it also added more running time to the route. There's also the arguements to be had of the difficulty of a bus turning right from Ordnance Road onto Barking Road for Canning Town and possibly houses near Star Lane not being with 400 metres of a bus if the 276 went direct via Manor Road. Nonetheless if a double run to Canning Town bus station from Ordnance Road were to be done, that's adding easily 8 minutes off peak to a route that exceeds 75 minutes in journey time. It's not favourable for onward passengers and there is normally a large exodus at Hermit Road southbound, presumably with those people heading to Canning Town station. Route 300 is a single deck route and takes passenger traffic towards Prince Regent Lane (south) at Canning Town station, thus relieving the 276 in the process. I did not misread your post. I certainly remember Waterden Road pre Olympics and do have the memory of 276 drivers changing over right outside the garage at SD, thinking it's probably not allowed but wherever we are they can get away with it! I was very young back then lool The 276 never ran past SD? I remember drivers changed over at the stop on White Post Lane. Still have memories of how bleak the area was pre 2012. Really? I may be confusing it for First's old Hackney garage then. I was 12 mind you, so apologies if my memory is not up to par.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 21:06:09 GMT
The 276 never ran past SD? I remember drivers changed over at the stop on White Post Lane. Still have memories of how bleak the area was pre 2012. Really? I may be confusing it for First's old Hackney garage then. I was 12 mind you, so apologies if my memory is not up to par. Could you be thinking of the 308 that started from outside Hackney garage? |
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Post by MKAY315 on Apr 18, 2021 21:51:37 GMT
The 276 can go under that bridge with DDs as DDs are 14"6 whilst the bridge is 14"9 so should be no issue there. I would question some of the roads round Star Lane but there is a low bridge in Hackney Wick. Sorry but you are wrong! double deckers can't go under the second bridge (This is 13"0) - A double decker came to grief way back in the 1990s when running on a North London Line rail replacement. Isn't there a low bridge around the old carpenters road routing of the 276 that also prevented that bus from getting double deckers. |
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