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Post by mkay315 on Sept 5, 2022 10:47:50 GMT
You couldn't make this [redacted] [redacted] stuff up.
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 5, 2022 11:22:24 GMT
Technology is always subject to failure. Not seen this instance, but how far was it over. If it was obvious, the officials have failed as well, as it is there for guidance. Goal line technology is universally regarded as a success ... I think that the fact it is near enough instant is part of that view. It gets more things rights than if it was left solely to humans. As I understand if it is a done with cameras. If the view is obstructed by enough of them it will fail, but the % of time it works, shows that it is rare for the view of sufficient number of cameras to be obstructed. I for one would not want it to go away ... can't say the same for VAR.
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Post by greenboy on Sept 5, 2022 12:50:44 GMT
Technology is always subject to failure. Not seen this instance, but how far was it over. If it was obvious, the officials have failed as well, as it is there for guidance. Goal line technology is universally regarded as a success ... I think that the fact it is near enough instant is part of that view. It gets more things rights than if it was left solely to humans. As I understand if it is a done with cameras. If the view is obstructed by enough of them it will fail, but the % of time it works, shows that it is rare for the view of sufficient number of cameras to be obstructed. I for one would not want it to go away ... can't say the same for VAR. Whilst technology is indeed always subject to failure this is going to be very embarrassing and will probably lead to arguments in the future, previously the referee just pointed to their watch and everyone accepted it. Personally I don't see any problem with VAR, I think it's just proved what we knew already that the standard of refereeing in this country is nowhere near good enough.
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 5, 2022 13:10:02 GMT
Technology is always subject to failure. Not seen this instance, but how far was it over. If it was obvious, the officials have failed as well, as it is there for guidance. Goal line technology is universally regarded as a success ... I think that the fact it is near enough instant is part of that view. It gets more things rights than if it was left solely to humans. As I understand if it is a done with cameras. If the view is obstructed by enough of them it will fail, but the % of time it works, shows that it is rare for the view of sufficient number of cameras to be obstructed. I for one would not want it to go away ... can't say the same for VAR. Whilst technology is indeed always subject to failure this is going to be very embarrassing and will probably lead to arguments in the future, previously the referee just pointed to their watch and everyone accepted it. Personally I don't see any problem with VAR, I think it's just proved what we knew already that the standard of refereeing in this country is nowhere near good enough. You think this is the first time goal line technology has failed? It's not. And we still accept the watch ... why will this time be different. Considerably less mistakes are made with goal line technology than without it. Why is there not embarrassment that the Mk1 eyeball missed it on this occasion? Officials have the power to override technology if there is a clear mistake.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 5, 2022 17:36:45 GMT
Let me not lie when I say this but for Arsenal to play well and come with nothing is a failure. I don't care what anyone says. This is the type of game that we need to show people that we are serious. It's NO GOOD beating the small teams if you come up short against the big teams. Football is a result driven business. No one cares how well a team plays. IF YOU DON'T GET THE POINTS IT COUNTS FOR NOTHING! I'm not even confident watching this team go to places like Anfield, N17, The Bridge and Eastlands. This was a test that ONCE again Arsenal failed. Well actually, there are more points to take from the rest of the teams than from the big six so beating the big six doesn’t mean as much as is made out. If your only going to ignore the positives and highlight the negatives, then sorry but we won’t progress either and I actually did say there are things to learn from. That game has actually shown that we can absolutely give a game to any team in this league and beat them providing we correct the few things we got wrong against United and we got a lot more right than wrong. Onwards and upwards starting with Zurich in a few days & Everton next Sunday
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Post by mkay315 on Sept 5, 2022 18:55:47 GMT
Let me not lie when I say this but for Arsenal to play well and come with nothing is a failure. I don't care what anyone says. This is the type of game that we need to show people that we are serious. It's NO GOOD beating the small teams if you come up short against the big teams. Football is a result driven business. No one cares how well a team plays. IF YOU DON'T GET THE POINTS IT COUNTS FOR NOTHING! I'm not even confident watching this team go to places like Anfield, N17, The Bridge and Eastlands. This was a test that ONCE again Arsenal failed. Well actually, there are more points to take from the rest of the teams than from the big six so beating the big six doesn’t mean as much as is made out. If your only going to ignore the positives and highlight the negatives, then sorry but we won’t progress either and I actually did say there are things to learn from. That game has actually shown that we can absolutely give a game to any team in this league and beat them providing we correct the few things we got wrong against United and we got a lot more right than wrong. Onwards and upwards starting with Zurich in a few days & Everton next Sunday I said what I said. I'm not ignoring the positives but the bottom line is we didn't win. It doesn't matter if you play good if you don't get the results then it doesn't count for much. Take the boys from N17 for example when they had poch. They played wonderfully but they didn't have any trophies to show for it. As I said before the football is a result driven business so there's only so many times one can sing the performing well songs but no points.
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Post by greenboy on Sept 5, 2022 20:51:12 GMT
Whilst technology is indeed always subject to failure this is going to be very embarrassing and will probably lead to arguments in the future, previously the referee just pointed to their watch and everyone accepted it. Personally I don't see any problem with VAR, I think it's just proved what we knew already that the standard of refereeing in this country is nowhere near good enough. You think this is the first time goal line technology has failed? It's not. And we still accept the watch ... why will this time be different. Considerably less mistakes are made with goal line technology than without it. Why is there not embarrassment that the Mk1 eyeball missed it on this occasion? Officials have the power to override technology if there is a clear mistake. This is only other such mistake that I'm aware of.......... www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12008740/aston-villa-0-0-sheffield-united-visitors-denied-by-tech-error-on-premier-leagues-return
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Post by vjaska on Sept 5, 2022 21:06:04 GMT
Well actually, there are more points to take from the rest of the teams than from the big six so beating the big six doesn’t mean as much as is made out. If your only going to ignore the positives and highlight the negatives, then sorry but we won’t progress either and I actually did say there are things to learn from. That game has actually shown that we can absolutely give a game to any team in this league and beat them providing we correct the few things we got wrong against United and we got a lot more right than wrong. Onwards and upwards starting with Zurich in a few days & Everton next Sunday I said what I said. I'm not ignoring the positives but the bottom line is we didn't win. It doesn't matter if you play good if you don't get the results then it doesn't count for much. Take the boys from N17 for example when they had poch. They played wonderfully but they didn't have any trophies to show for it. As I said before the football is a result driven business so there's only so many times one can sing the performing well songs but no points. No one never said football isn’t a points driven business - I said what I said because bar the 2nd City game, I don’t think I have ever watched us lose and actually saw many positives from it especially when the officials were not interested in doing their job properly so I don’t understand your comment about “only so many times one can sing the performing well songs but no points”. We’ve lost one game, we have 6 more points than last season at this stage and are currently in a position no one expected no matter how long it lasts - I think some perspective is needed rather than overreactions personally. If we drop out of top four, by all means fire the criticism off but way too early for that
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Post by mkay315 on Sept 6, 2022 6:32:21 GMT
I said what I said. I'm not ignoring the positives but the bottom line is we didn't win. It doesn't matter if you play good if you don't get the results then it doesn't count for much. Take the boys from N17 for example when they had poch. They played wonderfully but they didn't have any trophies to show for it. As I said before the football is a result driven business so there's only so many times one can sing the performing well songs but no points. No one never said football isn’t a points driven business - I said what I said because bar the 2nd City game, I don’t think I have ever watched us lose and actually saw many positives from it especially when the officials were not interested in doing their job properly so I don’t understand your comment about “only so many times one can sing the performing well songs but no points”. We’ve lost one game, we have 6 more points than last season at this stage and are currently in a position no one expected no matter how long it lasts - I think some perspective is needed rather than overreactions personally. If we drop out of top four, by all means fire the criticism off but way too early for that So let me break it down to you better. This saying that we lost one game can be the difference between us getting top four and us missing out. I'm not saying we can't lose matches but nowadays there's way too many thin margins to make silly mistakes. You cannot come and say its still early days because when it gets to the end of the season and if this man still hasn't achieved what will you say then? "Oh we're making progress". That's not going to wash. All in all. Every game matters no matter how big or small.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 6, 2022 12:51:19 GMT
No one never said football isn’t a points driven business - I said what I said because bar the 2nd City game, I don’t think I have ever watched us lose and actually saw many positives from it especially when the officials were not interested in doing their job properly so I don’t understand your comment about “only so many times one can sing the performing well songs but no points”. We’ve lost one game, we have 6 more points than last season at this stage and are currently in a position no one expected no matter how long it lasts - I think some perspective is needed rather than overreactions personally. If we drop out of top four, by all means fire the criticism off but way too early for that So let me break it down to you better. This saying that we lost one game can be the difference between us getting top four and us missing out. I'm not saying we can't lose matches but nowadays there's way too many thin margins to make silly mistakes. You cannot come and say its still early days because when it gets to the end of the season and if this man still hasn't achieved what will you say then? "Oh we're making progress". That's not going to wash. All in all. Every game matters no matter how big or small. Well I can say it's early because we're literally six games in - Leicester aren't finishing bottom and I highly doubt Chelsea & Liverpool will continue to stutter through each week. If it's the end of the season, then it's obvious it's not early days and I've stated several times I give managers three whole seasons (each to their own on this point but I don't like this sack manager nonsense after 6 months to a year, hence my 3 year stance) and this is his third so if we don't finish top 4, then his position will be in clear jeopardy. But six games in, I'm not going to overreact to one defeat just like many were overreacting to Chelsea losing to Leeds and Man Utd losing their first two - I still knew they would climb back up just like we did last season - we missed out by 2 points and already have 6 more points than six games in last year, plenty of time and football to be played.
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Post by mkay315 on Sept 6, 2022 16:05:38 GMT
So let me break it down to you better. This saying that we lost one game can be the difference between us getting top four and us missing out. I'm not saying we can't lose matches but nowadays there's way too many thin margins to make silly mistakes. You cannot come and say its still early days because when it gets to the end of the season and if this man still hasn't achieved what will you say then? "Oh we're making progress". That's not going to wash. All in all. Every game matters no matter how big or small. Well I can say it's early because we're literally six games in - Leicester aren't finishing bottom and I highly doubt Chelsea & Liverpool will continue to stutter through each week. If it's the end of the season, then it's obvious it's not early days and I've stated several times I give managers three whole seasons (each to their own on this point but I don't like this sack manager nonsense after 6 months to a year, hence my 3 year stance) and this is his third so if we don't finish top 4, then his position will be in clear jeopardy. But six games in, I'm not going to overreact to one defeat just like many were overreacting to Chelsea losing to Leeds and Man Utd losing their first two - I still knew they would climb back up just like we did last season - we missed out by 2 points and already have 6 more points than six games in last year, plenty of time and football to be played. All I can say is we will see how the season plays out. With Leicester if not this season then I may think they'll get relegated next season. Though I could be wrong
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Post by vjaska on Sept 6, 2022 17:09:53 GMT
Well I can say it's early because we're literally six games in - Leicester aren't finishing bottom and I highly doubt Chelsea & Liverpool will continue to stutter through each week. If it's the end of the season, then it's obvious it's not early days and I've stated several times I give managers three whole seasons (each to their own on this point but I don't like this sack manager nonsense after 6 months to a year, hence my 3 year stance) and this is his third so if we don't finish top 4, then his position will be in clear jeopardy. But six games in, I'm not going to overreact to one defeat just like many were overreacting to Chelsea losing to Leeds and Man Utd losing their first two - I still knew they would climb back up just like we did last season - we missed out by 2 points and already have 6 more points than six games in last year, plenty of time and football to be played. All I can say is we will see how the season plays out. With Leicester if not this season then I may think they'll get relegated next season. Though I could be wrong IMO Rodgers will highly likely be sacked (my money is after the Villa game if they lose) if the downturn in form continues and I suspect the successor will do a “Gerrard” and essentially do enough to beat the drop without troubling anywhere above 12th
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Post by mkay315 on Sept 7, 2022 9:17:27 GMT
Looks like Tuchel has been released from Chelsea. Considering the loss last night not surprised. Here comes the new manager bounce for Chelsea
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Post by mkay315 on Sept 7, 2022 9:18:54 GMT
All I can say is we will see how the season plays out. With Leicester if not this season then I may think they'll get relegated next season. Though I could be wrong IMO Rodgers will highly likely be sacked (my money is after the Villa game if they lose) if the downturn in form continues and I suspect the successor will do a “Gerrard” and essentially do enough to beat the drop without troubling anywhere above 12th I think he will leave at some point in the season, but for us we need to ensure we reduce the amount of mistakes made during the season. Chelsea have now sacked Tuchel
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Post by greenboy on Sept 7, 2022 9:40:01 GMT
Looks like Tuchel has been released from Chelsea. Considering the loss last night not surprised. Here comes the new manager bounce for Chelsea No great surprise to be honest, I think he would have gone sooner if it wasn't for the CL success last year. Graham Potter seems to be the name on many lips.
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