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Post by LondonNorthern on Jun 5, 2021 12:18:46 GMT
You know what maybe it's my age but think younger people use apps to pay for everything without thinking and probably don't keep an eye on spending. Its the same with the surge in home delivery of takeaway food. My sister works for a company who offer Uber Eats and she has on occasions had delivery orders for a single pack of crisps. One of my work colleagues used to work for Deliveroo a couple of years back & he said he actually stopped using his car for delivery specifically because of the distance he was going. For example he was saying when he did work in Central London (particularly round Liverpool Street Shoreditch London Bridge etc) he said he would regularly have journeys of 200 metres so there was very little point of him using the car and instead he moved to a bike.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2021 12:22:38 GMT
It’s just ridiculous how limiting the night bus is parts of London. For example Morden, currently there are no onward services towards the next large town Sutton or even towards large residential areas like Lower Morden. Even a every other N155 to Sutton Town Centre would be useful if there are no plans to bring the N154. But instead the revenue is handed to Uber. I think it's outrageous that the N154 never happened and the N213 was withdrawn from Croydon, even an hourly service would be better than nothing, but I suppose it could be argued that the 93 goes near Lower Morden. More or less but it’s the wrong side of the park. If you live on the Hillcross Avenue side there is nothing but a long dark walk from Morden or an Uber.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 5, 2021 12:30:47 GMT
It is down to convience as you say. I would not as to me it seems expensive, maybe I am tight. But so much people I know uses it even if they have an oyster. The fares they say is cheap and then they get discounts of from time to time. Even yesterday someone I know was prepared to take one from Ilford to Liverpool St around 6 in the evening. I was like surely it was quicker to just get on the train. He did not want to get wet in the rain, I was like seriously!!! You know what maybe it's my age but think younger people use apps to pay for everything without thinking and probably don't keep an eye on spending. Its the same with the surge in home delivery of takeaway food. My sister works for a company who offer Uber Eats and she has on occasions had delivery orders for a single pack of crisps.Maybe I am getting old, but that is insane. My misses uses one of the food delivery apps at times, I cannot remember if its uber eats or just eat. But other than that, I do not have any of the apps; I do not have uber, do not have Tesco home delivery etc. I would rather just go to the shop myself.
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Post by joefrombow on Jun 5, 2021 13:32:02 GMT
Uber is out of control there are far too many drivers on the road competing for passengers. The standard of driving is getting really dangerous where the cars are rushing to the next fare. Can see things getting worse in the future especially if more companies come on the scene. Supply and demand whilst I think the demand definitely outweighs the supply (at the moment due to covid) this is the future unfortunately , why do people want to wait ages for a crowded late bus crawling along at 20mph on a empty road in the middle of the night when they can get a Uber (and crawl along at 30mph to keep the electric mode going) and be home quicker and safer ?less risk of being mugged or attacked etc . All of these LTN's , restricting buses to the speed limit , cutting major routes into smaller routes (though not so much on the night network ) all adds up to make people think why get a bus when for the price of a pint (in some places) you get a ride straight to your doorstep . I think Tfl need to take a new strategy to get people back on the buses USB charging , advertising routes and links , route branding ,company sponsorship of routes/bus stations (Barclays Stratford Bus Station), WiFi , advertise or brand the new electric buses on routes and make new routes or look at new ways to make revenue i.e extend some routes cross border where there is money to be made but seems to me they aren't interested anymore or have lost their way compared to the early 2000s when there was a lot of focus to get people back on board , I don't think they will disappear how he says in the article but it is going that way wether we like it or not .
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Post by greenboy on Jun 5, 2021 13:50:06 GMT
Uber is out of control there are far too many drivers on the road competing for passengers. The standard of driving is getting really dangerous where the cars are rushing to the next fare. Can see things getting worse in the future especially if more companies come on the scene. Supply and demand whilst I think the demand definitely outweighs the supply (at the moment due to covid) this is the future unfortunately , why do people want to wait ages for a crowded late bus crawling along at 20mph on a empty road in the middle of the night when they can get a Uber (and crawl along at 30mph to keep the electric mode going) and be home quicker and safer ?less risk of being mugged or attacked etc . All of these LTN's , restricting buses to the speed limit , cutting major routes into smaller routes (though not so much on the night network ) all adds up to make people think why get a bus when for the price of a pint (in some places) you get a ride straight to your doorstep . I think Tfl need to take a new strategy to get people back on the buses USB charging , advertising routes and links , route branding ,company sponsorship of routes/bus stations (Barclays Stratford Bus Station), WiFi , advertise or brand the new electric buses on routes and make new routes or look at new ways to make revenue i.e extend some routes cross border where there is money to be made but seems to me they aren't interested anymore or have lost their way compared to the early 2000s when there was a lot of focus to get people back on board , I don't think they will disappear how he says in the article but it is going that way wether we like it or not . I think you've hit the nail on the head, for a lot of people time is money and so uber isn't prohibitively more expensive to them. TfL have done nothing to encourage or promote bus travel and seem quite happy to sit back and let the decline continue.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jun 5, 2021 14:33:26 GMT
Supply and demand whilst I think the demand definitely outweighs the supply (at the moment due to covid) this is the future unfortunately , why do people want to wait ages for a crowded late bus crawling along at 20mph on a empty road in the middle of the night when they can get a Uber (and crawl along at 30mph to keep the electric mode going) and be home quicker and safer ?less risk of being mugged or attacked etc . All of these LTN's , restricting buses to the speed limit , cutting major routes into smaller routes (though not so much on the night network ) all adds up to make people think why get a bus when for the price of a pint (in some places) you get a ride straight to your doorstep . I think Tfl need to take a new strategy to get people back on the buses USB charging , advertising routes and links , route branding ,company sponsorship of routes/bus stations (Barclays Stratford Bus Station), WiFi , advertise or brand the new electric buses on routes and make new routes or look at new ways to make revenue i.e extend some routes cross border where there is money to be made but seems to me they aren't interested anymore or have lost their way compared to the early 2000s when there was a lot of focus to get people back on board , I don't think they will disappear how he says in the article but it is going that way wether we like it or not . I think you've hit the nail on the head, for a lot of people time is money and so uber isn't prohibitively more expensive to them. TfL have done nothing to encourage or promote bus travel and seem quite happy to sit back and let the decline continue. I've started to even side with the view that they are letting this continue to happen due to their debt problems and it giving them an excuse to cut services. And you can really tell a lot of this is a political stunt, I went down to my mates in North Dulwich and we chose to grab some food in the newly created Dulwich Square as part of the Low Traffic Neighborhood Scheme on Carlton Avenue and whilst I liked the food and catching up with my mate, it was very weird why many people would want to sit in the middle of the road looking out onto a road of traffic. I didn't eat out a lot during the Eat out to help out scheme, but you see all these shops with extra space dug out into the road where people can sit, and you think well hang on, why would you want to eat and you've got fumes and buses literally right behind you. I can understand why people would want quieter streets, but to me I don't think there was the interest in that, it was the interest in a political stunt to obtain more voters and sort of push Labour's failures under the carpet I felt.
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Post by WH241 on Jun 5, 2021 14:33:42 GMT
Uber is out of control there are far too many drivers on the road competing for passengers. The standard of driving is getting really dangerous where the cars are rushing to the next fare. Can see things getting worse in the future especially if more companies come on the scene. Supply and demand whilst I think the demand definitely outweighs the supply (at the moment due to covid) this is the future unfortunately , why do people want to wait ages for a crowded late bus crawling along at 20mph on a empty road in the middle of the night when they can get a Uber (and crawl along at 30mph to keep the electric mode going) and be home quicker and safer ?less risk of being mugged or attacked etc . All of these LTN's , restricting buses to the speed limit , cutting major routes into smaller routes (though not so much on the night network ) all adds up to make people think why get a bus when for the price of a pint (in some places) you get a ride straight to your doorstep . I think Tfl need to take a new strategy to get people back on the buses USB charging , advertising routes and links , route branding ,company sponsorship of routes/bus stations (Barclays Stratford Bus Station), WiFi , advertise or brand the new electric buses on routes and make new routes or look at new ways to make revenue i.e extend some routes cross border where there is money to be made but seems to me they aren't interested anymore or have lost their way compared to the early 2000s when there was a lot of focus to get people back on board , I don't think they will disappear how he says in the article but it is going that way wether we like it or not . I don't think Londoners want USB ports I have yet to see a passenger use them. All that is wanted is a bus that turns up and not constantly held at stops being regulated. Services favor the operators at the moment instead of passengers.
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Post by galwhv69 on Jun 5, 2021 15:07:27 GMT
Supply and demand whilst I think the demand definitely outweighs the supply (at the moment due to covid) this is the future unfortunately , why do people want to wait ages for a crowded late bus crawling along at 20mph on a empty road in the middle of the night when they can get a Uber (and crawl along at 30mph to keep the electric mode going) and be home quicker and safer ?less risk of being mugged or attacked etc . All of these LTN's , restricting buses to the speed limit , cutting major routes into smaller routes (though not so much on the night network ) all adds up to make people think why get a bus when for the price of a pint (in some places) you get a ride straight to your doorstep . I think Tfl need to take a new strategy to get people back on the buses USB charging , advertising routes and links , route branding ,company sponsorship of routes/bus stations (Barclays Stratford Bus Station), WiFi , advertise or brand the new electric buses on routes and make new routes or look at new ways to make revenue i.e extend some routes cross border where there is money to be made but seems to me they aren't interested anymore or have lost their way compared to the early 2000s when there was a lot of focus to get people back on board , I don't think they will disappear how he says in the article but it is going that way wether we like it or not . I don't think Londoners want USB ports I have yet to see a passenger use them. All that is wanted is a bus that turns up and not constantly held at stops being regulated. Services favor the operators at the moment instead of passengers. I use them (they're pretty shite usually but the OE I had recently was actually amazing at charging my phone ) and have seen others use them. I agree with the second statement ; too much regulation that just p isses everyone off. You're stuck on a crowded bus in a layby for 5 minutes whilst hundreds of comfortable cars whizz past
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jun 5, 2021 15:58:08 GMT
I don't think Londoners want USB ports I have yet to see a passenger use them. All that is wanted is a bus that turns up and not constantly held at stops being regulated. Services favor the operators at the moment instead of passengers. I use them (they're pretty shite usually but the OE I had recently was actually amazing at charging my phone ) and have seen others use them. I agree with the second statement ; too much regulation that just p isses everyone off. You're stuck on a crowded bus in a layby for 5 minutes whilst hundreds of comfortable cars whizz past This was a main concern of mine with the 112 extension to North Finchley, if the 112 & 232 were perhaps trailing behind each other some laybys east of Henlys only contain one bay so that would prove dangerous if both buses were attempting to stop at one stop.
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Post by VMH2537 on Jun 5, 2021 17:02:59 GMT
It's a shame TFL is not promoting it's transport than how they used to. More like now they want people off public transport to promote cycling and walking instead with all of those LTNs they are using to somewhat force push for those things. TFL are really financially unhealthy with all of the debt they have to pay and driving away from profit from its existing network. This is my issue with public bodies with TFL, they act too much like a charity than a business with the promotion of people away from there profit making services by following the government or political influence.
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Post by wirewiper on Jun 5, 2021 17:51:23 GMT
It's a shame TFL is not promoting it's transport than how they used to. More like now they want people off public transport to promote cycling and walking instead with all of those LTNs they are using to somewhat force push for those things. TFL are really financially unhealthy with all of the debt they have to pay and driving away from profit from its existing network. This is my issue with public bodies with TFL, they act too much like a charity than a business with the promotion of people away from there profit making services by following the government or political influence. Cycling and walking (a.k.a. "active travel") are meant to replace short car journeys*, not journeys made by public transport which are already regarded as sustainable. Although promotion of active travel does mean that some short bus journeys may switch to cycling and walking. Ultimately though TfL is not a commercial undertaking - although it has to operate in an economically efficient way, its objectives are social not commercial. * in my book this includes journeys made in minicabs including Uber.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 5, 2021 18:48:56 GMT
It's a shame TFL is not promoting it's transport than how they used to. More like now they want people off public transport to promote cycling and walking instead with all of those LTNs they are using to somewhat force push for those things. TFL are really financially unhealthy with all of the debt they have to pay and driving away from profit from its existing network. This is my issue with public bodies with TFL, they act too much like a charity than a business with the promotion of people away from there profit making services by following the government or political influence. Cycling and walking (a.k.a. "active travel") are meant to replace short car journeys*, not journeys made by public transport which are already regarded as sustainable. Although promotion of active travel does mean that some short bus journeys may switch to cycling and walking. Ultimately though TfL is not a commercial undertaking - although it has to operate in an economically efficient way, its objectives are social not commercial. * in my book this includes journeys made in minicabs including Uber. The problem is they aren’t replacing car journeys because the roads are clogged up more than ever whilst TfL continue to stick their ears in their fingers shouting la la la.
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Post by joefrombow on Jun 6, 2021 13:39:59 GMT
Supply and demand whilst I think the demand definitely outweighs the supply (at the moment due to covid) this is the future unfortunately , why do people want to wait ages for a crowded late bus crawling along at 20mph on a empty road in the middle of the night when they can get a Uber (and crawl along at 30mph to keep the electric mode going) and be home quicker and safer ?less risk of being mugged or attacked etc . All of these LTN's , restricting buses to the speed limit , cutting major routes into smaller routes (though not so much on the night network ) all adds up to make people think why get a bus when for the price of a pint (in some places) you get a ride straight to your doorstep . I think Tfl need to take a new strategy to get people back on the buses USB charging , advertising routes and links , route branding ,company sponsorship of routes/bus stations (Barclays Stratford Bus Station), WiFi , advertise or brand the new electric buses on routes and make new routes or look at new ways to make revenue i.e extend some routes cross border where there is money to be made but seems to me they aren't interested anymore or have lost their way compared to the early 2000s when there was a lot of focus to get people back on board , I don't think they will disappear how he says in the article but it is going that way wether we like it or not . I don't think Londoners want USB ports I have yet to see a passenger use them. All that is wanted is a bus that turns up and not constantly held at stops being regulated. Services favor the operators at the moment instead of passengers. I agree but it's another "extra" if you like to get people onboard , you look at somewhere like Birmingham where National Express buses and routes are all singing and dancing .
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jun 6, 2021 13:54:29 GMT
It's a shame TFL is not promoting it's transport than how they used to. More like now they want people off public transport to promote cycling and walking instead with all of those LTNs they are using to somewhat force push for those things. TFL are really financially unhealthy with all of the debt they have to pay and driving away from profit from its existing network. This is my issue with public bodies with TFL, they act too much like a charity than a business with the promotion of people away from there profit making services by following the government or political influence. Cycling and walking (a.k.a. "active travel") are meant to replace short car journeys*, not journeys made by public transport which are already regarded as sustainable. Although promotion of active travel does mean that some short bus journeys may switch to cycling and walking. Ultimately though TfL is not a commercial undertaking - although it has to operate in an economically efficient way, its objectives are social not commercial. * in my book this includes journeys made in minicabs including Uber. Definitely some short journeys are not going to go away to the minicab market or the cycling/walking market, one of these examples would be Alexandra Park where you find people board 144s/W7s at the bottom of the hill heading up the hill to Muswell Hill and that would probably not be lost to something like active travel due to steepness of Muswell Hill plus how narrow it is and how it is a very short journey to do by car, Muswell Hill is an absolute pain parking wise and the 144/W7 are high frequency services. Brixton Hill seems to be another example, I've been on buses going up Brixton Hill north of Clapham Park and you still find people boarding buses terminating at Brixton especially to reach Brixton so that seems unlikely to drop to active travel or minicab use.
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Post by SILENCED on Jun 6, 2021 13:58:56 GMT
Supply and demand whilst I think the demand definitely outweighs the supply (at the moment due to covid) this is the future unfortunately , why do people want to wait ages for a crowded late bus crawling along at 20mph on a empty road in the middle of the night when they can get a Uber (and crawl along at 30mph to keep the electric mode going) and be home quicker and safer ?less risk of being mugged or attacked etc . All of these LTN's , restricting buses to the speed limit , cutting major routes into smaller routes (though not so much on the night network ) all adds up to make people think why get a bus when for the price of a pint (in some places) you get a ride straight to your doorstep . I think Tfl need to take a new strategy to get people back on the buses USB charging , advertising routes and links , route branding ,company sponsorship of routes/bus stations (Barclays Stratford Bus Station), WiFi , advertise or brand the new electric buses on routes and make new routes or look at new ways to make revenue i.e extend some routes cross border where there is money to be made but seems to me they aren't interested anymore or have lost their way compared to the early 2000s when there was a lot of focus to get people back on board , I don't think they will disappear how he says in the article but it is going that way wether we like it or not . I don't think Londoners want USB ports I have yet to see a passenger use them. All that is wanted is a bus that turns up and not constantly held at stops being regulated. Services favor the operators at the moment instead of passengers. Totally agree that they probably are not required, and probably as good as useless given poor charging speeds and length of people journies, however London buses are pretty spartan to get on, they certainly do not have a wow factor that when you get off you feel oh I really want to do that again soon, although you may have to. Commercial companies have discovered Gold/Sapphire fitouts boosts revenues ... maybe TfL should identify routes where they feel there is room for revenue growth, and try something different. Oh sorry, this is TfL we are talking about and they don't like different!
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