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Post by vjaska on Aug 6, 2021 11:35:37 GMT
At the very least, there shouldn't be any issue with simply transferring the Victoria to Orpington stopping services to TfL leaving Southeastern to concentrate on the longer distance services - Brixton Station might actually see improvements no matter how small they might be. If it ain’t broke......why take something extra into the remit of Khan? He would probably want to punish the residents of Orpington and Bromley for daring to vote against him. I don’t like Khan like yourself but I’m not going to needlessly criticise for the sake of it. London Overground has been a success under TfL and I don’t see how that would change if they took over any London service from Southeastern.
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 6, 2021 13:41:05 GMT
If it ain’t broke......why take something extra into the remit of Khan? He would probably want to punish the residents of Orpington and Bromley for daring to vote against him. I don’t like Khan like yourself but I’m not going to needlessly criticise for the sake of it. London Overground has been a success under TfL and I don’t see how that would change if they took over any London service from Southeastern. Depends how you define success. If you define success as reduced trains to Central London, then yes it has been a roaring success, but the current mayor bares no responsibility for that. Personally would have rather the ELL had not been extended beyond NXG. Paths for 5 car trains is hardly what I would call efficient use of resources in Central London.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 6, 2021 14:02:45 GMT
I don’t like Khan like yourself but I’m not going to needlessly criticise for the sake of it. London Overground has been a success under TfL and I don’t see how that would change if they took over any London service from Southeastern. Depends how you define success. If you define success as reduced trains to Central London, then yes it has been a roaring success, but the current mayor bares no responsibility for that. Personally would have rather the ELL had not been extended beyond NXG. Paths for 5 car trains is hardly what I would call efficient use of resources in Central London. I'm merely referring to the whole system in general not whether one particular section has a particular train going elsewhere
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 7, 2021 7:31:11 GMT
Depends how you define success. If you define success as reduced trains to Central London, then yes it has been a roaring success, but the current mayor bares no responsibility for that. Personally would have rather the ELL had not been extended beyond NXG. Paths for 5 car trains is hardly what I would call efficient use of resources in Central London. I'm merely referring to the whole system in general not whether one particular section has a particular train going elsewhere I think the Inner South London line in many ways misses a direct link to Victoria and LB. A refurbished southern service say 4 tph would have been popular aswell and would now be providing more trains between Battersea Park and Victora aswell as a direct link to Battersea Park (with the Power Station being the next big thing destination) to Wandsworth Road, Claph H St, Denmark Hill and the Peckhams. As great as the Overground on paper works it does effectively leave alot of people changing at Canada Water and Clapham Junction. Same with Crystal Palace. I can't help but thinking I'd rather have 6 to 8tph to Victoria and LB via Sydenham using 10 car trains rather then ones just skiming around the edge and involving a change.
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Post by buspete on Aug 7, 2021 21:43:46 GMT
The old London Bridge - Victoria service was just 2tph and took over half hour. Journey was much faster using Jubilee/District or Circle.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Aug 28, 2021 20:34:28 GMT
I'm merely referring to the whole system in general not whether one particular section has a particular train going elsewhere I think the Inner South London line in many ways misses a direct link to Victoria and LB. A refurbished southern service say 4 tph would have been popular aswell and would now be providing more trains between Battersea Park and Victora aswell as a direct link to Battersea Park (with the Power Station being the next big thing destination) to Wandsworth Road, Claph H St, Denmark Hill and the Peckhams. As great as the Overground on paper works it does effectively leave alot of people changing at Canada Water and Clapham Junction. Same with Crystal Palace. I can't help but thinking I'd rather have 6 to 8tph to Victoria and LB via Sydenham using 10 car trains rather then ones just skiming around the edge and involving a change. Yet the SLL stations have seen an increase pre-pandemic and have more capacity than the old 2tph 456s to Vic/London Bridge. I use the via Sydenham line and wouldn't want to go back to having to use London Bridge to change where there's a direct connection with the Jubilee line at Canada Water to get into the West End or Canary Wharf which is a lot more easier than using LBG. The SLL/ELL will also have a connection to the Elizabeth line at Whitechapel as well when it eventually opens!
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 4, 2021 10:38:02 GMT
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Post by wirewiper on Nov 4, 2021 17:16:56 GMT
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Post by Busboy105 on Nov 5, 2021 7:29:12 GMT
Why only up to New Cross Gate? Surely it would be more beneficial if it went to Crystal Palace/Clapham Junction or even West Croydon?
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Post by greenboy on Nov 5, 2021 7:37:05 GMT
Why only up to New Cross Gate? Surely it would be more beneficial if it went to Crystal Palace/Clapham Junction or even West Croydon? Network Rail won't allow it which is why I suggested an alternative bus service in another post.
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Post by Busboy105 on Nov 5, 2021 10:05:30 GMT
Why only up to New Cross Gate? Surely it would be more beneficial if it went to Crystal Palace/Clapham Junction or even West Croydon? Network Rail won't allow it which is why I suggested an alternative bus service in another post. Why wouldn't they allow it?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Nov 5, 2021 10:24:49 GMT
Network Rail won't allow it which is why I suggested an alternative bus service in another post. Why wouldn't they allow it? The core of the East London is controlled by TfL, operating beyond New Cross Gate would venture onto Network Rail infrastructure.
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Post by greenboy on Nov 5, 2021 16:35:35 GMT
Network Rail won't allow it which is why I suggested an alternative bus service in another post. Why wouldn't they allow it? Presumably track maintenance?
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Post by Busboy105 on Nov 5, 2021 17:09:09 GMT
Why wouldn't they allow it? Presumably track maintenance? No, Dstock7080's answer makes more sense
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Post by greenboy on Nov 5, 2021 17:22:29 GMT
Presumably track maintenance? No, Dstock7080's answer makes more sense What are you on about?
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