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Post by Dillon95 on Apr 29, 2022 16:27:40 GMT
Well he’s right they should return, Rainham is too far out of London to be a slow stopping service. Even if it skips a few stations like Erith out. But Rainham does have the high speed service to St Pancras and fast trains to Victoria. Yeah but the Medway Towns need a service closer to the west end I.E Charing Cross or the city I.E Cannon Street. As well as an interchange to get to Canary Wharf, whether that’s Abbey Wood or Woolwich for the Elizabeth Line, or if it’s Lewisham or Greenwich for the DLR.
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Post by route53 on Apr 29, 2022 16:35:46 GMT
But Rainham does have the high speed service to St Pancras and fast trains to Victoria. Yeah but the Medway Towns need a service closer to the west end I.E Charing Cross or the city I.E Cannon Street. As well as an interchange to get to Canary Wharf, whether that’s Abbey Wood or Woolwich for the Elizabeth Line, or if it’s Lewisham or Greenwich for the DLR. And a fast connection too, better still you get the DLR also from Woolwich :-)
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Post by someone on Apr 30, 2022 14:14:14 GMT
Maybe also cut the service back to Chatham? Do you mean Gillingham? No turnaround facilities at Chatham. An additional platform was put in at Rainham for Thameslink so I don't think it will be cut. Right.
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Post by someone on Apr 30, 2022 14:17:07 GMT
Maybe also cut the service back to Chatham? Just cut Thameslink entirely in my opinion, it’s not needed and it’s utterly useless, has too many stations and it’s proven to be unreliable, especially since that will be Medway’s only connection to CrossRail, if Thameslink has one of its many failures it’ll cause disruption for those travel to and from CrossRail to Gravesend and Medway I know Thameslink is HORRIBLE at timekeeping (as is the rest of Govia Thameslink), but you shouldn't get rid of it! Many people use Thameslink to get from North or South London suburbs and London's satellite towns to the city centre, especially people working in business and finance.
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Post by route53 on Apr 30, 2022 14:22:21 GMT
Just cut Thameslink entirely in my opinion, it’s not needed and it’s utterly useless, has too many stations and it’s proven to be unreliable, especially since that will be Medway’s only connection to CrossRail, if Thameslink has one of its many failures it’ll cause disruption for those travel to and from CrossRail to Gravesend and Medway I know Thameslink is HORRIBLE at timekeeping (as is the rest of Govia Thameslink), but you shouldn't get rid of it! Many people use Thameslink to get from North or South London suburbs and London's satellite towns to the city centre, especially people working in business and finance. Why can’t it be gotten rid of? Let’s not pretend it’s ran a consistently good service in the last four years, it’s totally fouled up the North Kent line, it leaves Higham with no rail service at times, it’s slowed down journeys from Medway/Gravesend to key interchange points in South East London, connections that people rely on. The Rainham service is utterly useless and should be axed and replaced with the old Semi fasts, that service did a much better job at getting those from Medway to the West End than the Thameslink does now.
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Post by greenboy on Apr 30, 2022 19:26:05 GMT
Just cut Thameslink entirely in my opinion, it’s not needed and it’s utterly useless, has too many stations and it’s proven to be unreliable, especially since that will be Medway’s only connection to CrossRail, if Thameslink has one of its many failures it’ll cause disruption for those travel to and from CrossRail to Gravesend and Medway I know Thameslink is HORRIBLE at timekeeping (as is the rest of Govia Thameslink), but you shouldn't get rid of it! Many people use Thameslink to get from North or South London suburbs and London's satellite towns to the city centre, especially people working in business and finance. I agree, SE London needs more tube type services and there is an ambitious Thameslink 2 idea........ www.mylondon.news/news/news-opinion/forget-more-london-underground-stations-23822345?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebarI don't think timekeeping is that bad although I would possibly terminate Thameslink at Dartford with the Southeastern Charing Cross to Dartford via Woolwich extended to Rainham.
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Post by someone on May 1, 2022 11:34:02 GMT
I know Thameslink is HORRIBLE at timekeeping (as is the rest of Govia Thameslink), but you shouldn't get rid of it! Many people use Thameslink to get from North or South London suburbs and London's satellite towns to the city centre, especially people working in business and finance. Why can’t it be gotten rid of? Let’s not pretend it’s ran a consistently good service in the last four years, it’s totally fouled up the North Kent line, it leaves Higham with no rail service at times, it’s slowed down journeys from Medway/Gravesend to key interchange points in South East London, connections that people rely on. The Rainham service is utterly useless and should be axed and replaced with the old Semi fasts, that service did a much better job at getting those from Medway to the West End than the Thameslink does now. OK, I agree with you on that one. Maybe not axe the service entirely, but maybe curtail it to Dartford or Gravesend while SE would operate new services to Rainham (maybe even Faversham!).
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Post by SILENCED on May 1, 2022 11:38:47 GMT
Why can’t it be gotten rid of? Let’s not pretend it’s ran a consistently good service in the last four years, it’s totally fouled up the North Kent line, it leaves Higham with no rail service at times, it’s slowed down journeys from Medway/Gravesend to key interchange points in South East London, connections that people rely on. The Rainham service is utterly useless and should be axed and replaced with the old Semi fasts, that service did a much better job at getting those from Medway to the West End than the Thameslink does now. OK, I agree with you on that one. Maybe not axe the service entirely, but maybe curtail it to Dartford or Gravesend while SE would operate new services to Rainham (maybe even Faversham!). By curtailing, you don't free up a path to run a replacement service
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Post by Dillon95 on May 1, 2022 15:37:31 GMT
OK, I agree with you on that one. Maybe not axe the service entirely, but maybe curtail it to Dartford or Gravesend while SE would operate new services to Rainham (maybe even Faversham!). By curtailing, you don't free up a path to run a replacement service Maybe do away with the Cannon Street rounders via Bexleyheath and Woolwich to free the space. Anyone needing to get from say Eltham, Welling or Bexleyheath to Greenwich, Woolwich or Abbey Wood would get a bus not a train anyway.
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Post by someone on May 3, 2022 17:36:43 GMT
OK, I agree with you on that one. Maybe not axe the service entirely, but maybe curtail it to Dartford or Gravesend while SE would operate new services to Rainham (maybe even Faversham!). By curtailing, you don't free up a path to run a replacement service It's not a replacement, it's merely a change of roles, and, anyway, they run on the same route up to London Bridge.
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Post by SILENCED on May 3, 2022 17:45:06 GMT
By curtailing, you don't free up a path to run a replacement service It's not a replacement, it's merely a change of roles, and, anyway, they run on the same route up to London Bridge. Are you not suggesting curtailing the Thameslink service, then adding a SoutheEastern one?
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Post by Dillon95 on May 3, 2022 19:07:18 GMT
It's not a replacement, it's merely a change of roles, and, anyway, they run on the same route up to London Bridge. Are you not suggesting curtailing the Thameslink service, then adding a SoutheEastern one? I’m not sure how curtailing the Luton to Rainham Thameslink service to Dartford, and extending the Charing Cross to Dartford via Lewisham & Woolwich Arsenal Southeastern service to Rainham would be any better. It’s just swapping one metro stopping service to Rainham for another. It needs to be semi fast between London Bridge and Dartford, otherwise it’s too slow.
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Post by 700101 on May 3, 2022 20:59:39 GMT
By curtailing, you don't free up a path to run a replacement service It's not a replacement, it's merely a change of roles, and, anyway, they run on the same route up to London Bridge. Cutting the TL service to Dartford will cause a rewrite of driver diagrams which will also enforce adding more drivers at Gillingham depot as drivers would need to pass from Gillingham depot to Dartford and stock would still need to be moved from Gillingham - Dartford during morning / late nights, TL currently have this issue with Ashford depot with our drivers are having to pass on SE service during the day and taxis very early morning / late nights, also currently the only available path via Greenwich is the unused off peak Cannon Street rounder return via Bexleyheath so if & when these return & if the Rainham services did skip stop stations between Deptford - Charlton would only have 4tph barring Greenwich which will still have 6tph also if TL did run via Lewisham this would free up paths via Greenwich but they would have to run on the slow lines through New Cross and would not be able to run via Fast Lines as currently you have the 19 & 49 past the hour SE Mainline services running and if it did take up the path of the 21 & 51 past the hour Dartford via Woolwich path then this would have a knock on effect on the Gatwick via Redhill services, Northbound there would be another issue with conflicting movements south of London Bridge. All of this would cause a rewrite of timetables for both TL & SE
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Post by greenboy on May 3, 2022 21:21:38 GMT
Are you not suggesting curtailing the Thameslink service, then adding a SoutheEastern one? I’m not sure how curtailing the Luton to Rainham Thameslink service to Dartford, and extending the Charing Cross to Dartford via Lewisham & Woolwich Arsenal Southeastern service to Rainham would be any better. It’s just swapping one metro stopping service to Rainham for another. It needs to be semi fast between London Bridge and Dartford, otherwise it’s too slow. There is no liklihood of the semi fast service returning, it was changed to a stopping service to provide a better service at stations that were previously non stopped.
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Post by route53 on May 3, 2022 23:39:40 GMT
I’m not sure how curtailing the Luton to Rainham Thameslink service to Dartford, and extending the Charing Cross to Dartford via Lewisham & Woolwich Arsenal Southeastern service to Rainham would be any better. It’s just swapping one metro stopping service to Rainham for another. It needs to be semi fast between London Bridge and Dartford, otherwise it’s too slow. There is no liklihood of the semi fast service returning, it was changed to a stopping service to provide a better service at stations that were previously non stopped. A stoping service should be from Dartford or Gravesend not Rainham! As I recall the stations not served by the old semi fasts had 6tph why is this inferior? Lots if stations in London would like 6tph but only have 4tph or 2tph. As I’ve said, and I’m going to be blunt, so what if Plumstead or Slade Green were skipped? They’re hardly major stations, they’re quiet minor suburban stations, hardly Abbey Wood or Woolwich Arsenal or even Blackheath or Greenwich, it’s unreasonable to expect outer suburban services to be made to call at such minor stations just because people at said stations don’t want to see a train run fast through their station.
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