Petrol shortage

[vjaska]

Sept 27, 2021 8:54:16 GMT greenboy said:

Sept 27, 2021 8:49:57 GMT capitalomnibus said:

Hmmmmm, maybe we need to get a room for the both of you 

Seems I'm living rent free in his head, I'm not sure whether I should be flattered or slightly concerned 😳

And this after he asked me to ignore him!

Says the person who is obsessing over the apparent obsession, not sure the forum needs to continually hear you say the same thing over when clearly people are tiring of it?

[WH241]

Because of the rather limited amount of petrol stations in east London it's becoming a game of cat and mouse to get fuel. People that filled up Friday and over the weekend will start to run low and more than likely end up first in the queue when a garage has fuel meanwhile others are having to take cars off the road.

[busman]

469 users stuck on Woodhurst Road…you ain’t going anywhere for the next 40 minutes until this fuel tanker unloads. Hopefully buses are diverted away from the Woodhurst/ Church Manorway section for the next hour or so

[WH241]

After waiting a hour I finally managed to get fuel! Had to buy super expensive BP Ultimate but I don't care! 😁😁

[busman]

WH241 It’s carnage. A few of us regulars were given the heads up about a fuel delivery today at our local station. Was supposed to be at 10am, but got delayed until this afternoon. We were waiting from 9:45am, but got filled up in the end. We have got to a stage where if you don’t queue and fill up when you can, then there is a good chance you won’t be able to fill up when the emergency fuel indicator comes on.

Quite a few jerry cans being filled up too. After seeing what I’ve seen this past few days, I don’t blame them. What I learned today is that when the government says “don’t panic”, do the opposite and move quickly to look after your family and your business.

Those philosophising over the attitude of the selfish will be the ones who ultimately lose out here.

[WH241]

Sept 27, 2021 13:18:49 GMT busman said:

WH241 It’s carnage. A few of us regulars were given the heads up about a fuel delivery today at our local station. Was supposed to be at 10am, but got delayed until this afternoon. We were waiting from 9:45am, but got filled up in the end. We have got to a stage where if you don’t queue and fill up when you can, then there is a good chance you won’t be able to fill up when the emergency fuel indicator comes on.

Quite a few jerry cans being filled up too. After seeing what I’ve seen this past few days, I don’t blame them. What I learned today is that when the government says “don’t panic”, do the opposite and move quickly to look after your family and your business.

Those philosophising over the attitude of the selfish will be the ones who ultimately lose out here.

Yes it's carnage so much friction and tension as people try to cut the line at garages. The government is still pushing the everything is okay and blaming panic buying but starting to wonder now even with excessive buying things have gone wrong very quickly and shows just how fragile we are as a country.

[SILENCED]

Pinched this from my Facebook feed ... but accurate


Petrol tanker drivers have an ADR qualification as well as a HGV licence. They need this for them to drive fuel tanker lorries.
There is a shortage of HGV drivers. That's a true fact.
However, HGV drivers can't drive a petrol tanker lorry without having an ADR qualification.
The UK had ADR drivers last week. Nothing changed much in a week. Maybe some holiday or some sickness but not, I doubt a dramatic change.
The ADR drivers that were driving last week are probably driving this week delivering fuel so nothing changed much.
The petrol panic we are now experiencing is all down to media hype.
It's not because of Brexit, because all the EU drivers went back to Europe which is some of the reasons being banded about.
These EU HGV drivers left months ago, and yet the country was still getting fuel without problems up until today.

So what's changed? NOTHING !!

Apart from the disgraceful media hype and scaremongering to make news to sensationalise the fact that a couple of petrol stations were getting a late delivery so they closed temporarily.

The result of the media scaremongering!!

Massive panic and chaos by everyone which is now causing a shortage of fuel until the ADR drivers, that we already had delivering fuel a few days ago, can deliver again.
The media should be fined and penalised, severely for publicising false news and creating the crazy situation that has been going on all today. Absolutely Disgusting.
They should hang their heads in shame.

[greenboy]

Sept 27, 2021 13:54:16 GMT SILENCED said:

Pinched this from my Facebook feed ... but accurate


Petrol tanker drivers have an ADR qualification as well as a HGV licence. They need this for them to drive fuel tanker lorries.
There is a shortage of HGV drivers. That's a true fact.
However, HGV drivers can't drive a petrol tanker lorry without having an ADR qualification.
The UK had ADR drivers last week. Nothing changed much in a week. Maybe some holiday or some sickness but not, I doubt a dramatic change.
The ADR drivers that were driving last week are probably driving this week delivering fuel so nothing changed much.
The petrol panic we are now experiencing is all down to media hype.
It's not because of Brexit, because all the EU drivers went back to Europe which is some of the reasons being banded about.
These EU HGV drivers left months ago, and yet the country was still getting fuel without problems up until today.

So what's changed? NOTHING !!

Apart from the disgraceful media hype and scaremongering to make news to sensationalise the fact that a couple of petrol stations were getting a late delivery so they closed temporarily.

The result of the media scaremongering!!

Massive panic and chaos by everyone which is now causing a shortage of fuel until the ADR drivers, that we already had delivering fuel a few days ago, can deliver again.
The media should be fined and penalised, severely for publicising false news and creating the crazy situation that has been going on all today. Absolutely Disgusting.
They should hang their heads in shame.

Spot on........ and there is already media scaremongering about Christmas.

[wirewiper]

Sept 27, 2021 13:18:49 GMT busman said:

WH241 It’s carnage. A few of us regulars were given the heads up about a fuel delivery today at our local station. Was supposed to be at 10am, but got delayed until this afternoon. We were waiting from 9:45am, but got filled up in the end. We have got to a stage where if you don’t queue and fill up when you can, then there is a good chance you won’t be able to fill up when the emergency fuel indicator comes on.

Quite a few jerry cans being filled up too. After seeing what I’ve seen this past few days, I don’t blame them. What I learned today is that when the government says “don’t panic”, do the opposite and move quickly to look after your family and your business.

Those philosophising over the attitude of the selfish will be the ones who ultimately lose out here.

Roger French has blogged about the fuel shortage. From his "Bus and Train User" blog today:


"It was inevitable.

As soon as Ministers appeared in the media on Thursday afternoon telling us 'there’s no need to panic buy petrol as there’s no shortage' you just knew Friday would see motorists queuing at their nearest garage to top up their tanks and by Saturday filling stations would have run dry.

It’s just human nature.

Ministers are technically right. There is no shortage of fuel. It’s just all in the wrong places [my emphasis]. Either in quick thinking motorists' petrol tanks or at the terminals. It's just no longer at petrol stations where it’s needed. And that’s not a good place to be when the very problem kicking this whole thing off was a lack of qualified drivers to shift the stuff around the country."


If you want to read the whole article, which goes on to talk about the shortage of drivers also affecting the bus industry:

busandtrainuser.com/2021/09/27/you-cant-panic-buy-bus-journeys/

[SILENCED]

Sept 27, 2021 14:11:33 GMT wirewiper said:

Sept 27, 2021 13:18:49 GMT busman said:

WH241 It’s carnage. A few of us regulars were given the heads up about a fuel delivery today at our local station. Was supposed to be at 10am, but got delayed until this afternoon. We were waiting from 9:45am, but got filled up in the end. We have got to a stage where if you don’t queue and fill up when you can, then there is a good chance you won’t be able to fill up when the emergency fuel indicator comes on.

Quite a few jerry cans being filled up too. After seeing what I’ve seen this past few days, I don’t blame them. What I learned today is that when the government says “don’t panic”, do the opposite and move quickly to look after your family and your business.

Those philosophising over the attitude of the selfish will be the ones who ultimately lose out here.

Roger French has blogged about the fuel shortage. From his "Bus and Train User" blog today:


"It was inevitable.

As soon as Ministers appeared in the media on Thursday afternoon telling us 'there’s no need to panic buy petrol as there’s no shortage' you just knew Friday would see motorists queuing at their nearest garage to top up their tanks and by Saturday filling stations would have run dry.

It’s just human nature.

Ministers are technically right. There is no shortage of fuel. It’s just all in the wrong places [my emphasis]. Either in quick thinking motorists' petrol tanks or at the terminals. It's just no longer at petrol stations where it’s needed. And that’s not a good place to be when the very problem kicking this whole thing off was a lack of qualified drivers to shift the stuff around the country."


If you want to read the whole article, which goes on to talk about the shortage of drivers also affecting the bus industry:

busandtrainuser.com/2021/09/27/you-cant-panic-buy-bus-journeys/

Basically saying the British public is as thick as horse shite. 

[wirewiper]

Sept 27, 2021 14:24:42 GMT SILENCED said:

Sept 27, 2021 14:11:33 GMT wirewiper said:

Roger French has blogged about the fuel shortage. From his "Bus and Train User" blog today:


"It was inevitable.

As soon as Ministers appeared in the media on Thursday afternoon telling us 'there’s no need to panic buy petrol as there’s no shortage' you just knew Friday would see motorists queuing at their nearest garage to top up their tanks and by Saturday filling stations would have run dry.

It’s just human nature.

Ministers are technically right. There is no shortage of fuel. It’s just all in the wrong places [my emphasis]. Either in quick thinking motorists' petrol tanks or at the terminals. It's just no longer at petrol stations where it’s needed. And that’s not a good place to be when the very problem kicking this whole thing off was a lack of qualified drivers to shift the stuff around the country."


If you want to read the whole article, which goes on to talk about the shortage of drivers also affecting the bus industry:

busandtrainuser.com/2021/09/27/you-cant-panic-buy-bus-journeys/

Basically saying the British public is as thick as horse shite. 

Or the British public realising once again that the current Government is in denial that there is a problem developing, despite clear evidence that the supply chain is breaking down in other areas; and has no response to it, so leaving them to take matters into their own hands. A government with a grip would acknowledge the crisis and bring in measures that ensure that supplies for emergency services and public transport are secured.  

The shortage of lorry drivers has been chronic for years and has been so exacerbated by Covid and Brexit that it hasn't taken much to tip the entire supply chain into crisis. 

[southlondon413]

Sept 27, 2021 15:12:52 GMT wirewiper said:

Sept 27, 2021 14:24:42 GMT SILENCED said:

Basically saying the British public is as thick as horse shite. 

Or the British public realising once again that the current Government is in denial that there is a problem developing, despite clear evidence that the supply chain is breaking down in other areas; and has no response to it, so leaving them to take matters into their own hands. A government with a grip would acknowledge the crisis and bring in measures that ensure that supplies for emergency services and public transport are secured.  

The shortage of lorry drivers has been chronic for years and has been so exacerbated by Covid and Brexit that it hasn't taken much to tip the entire supply chain into crisis. 

But a shortage of drivers isn’t just a British problem. There are massive shortages across the entire world, Germany has a shortage of around 45,000, Poland has a shortage of 124,000, China has a shortage of 4 million and the US has a shortage of 61,000 with it expected to rise to 160,000 before the end of the decade. You can try and act like it is entirely our government’s fault but it is clear this is a wider issue across the entire global trucking industry and there simply isn’t a quick fix. COVID sped things up, yes, but Brexit in reality has had little impact of what was already an industry struggling with a lack of workers.

[SILENCED]

Sept 27, 2021 15:12:52 GMT wirewiper said:

Sept 27, 2021 14:24:42 GMT SILENCED said:

Basically saying the British public is as thick as horse shite. 

Or the British public realising once again that the current Government is in denial that there is a problem developing, despite clear evidence that the supply chain is breaking down in other areas; and has no response to it, so leaving them to take matters into their own hands. A government with a grip would acknowledge the crisis and bring in measures that ensure that supplies for emergency services and public transport are secured.  

The shortage of lorry drivers has been chronic for years and has been so exacerbated by Covid and Brexit that it hasn't taken much to tip the entire supply chain into crisis. 

There was no shortage until the media highlighted a few garages running out of fuel and making a national crisis. There was not a problem two weeks ago, and there would be no problem now if it was not for the frenzie created by the media ... and the toilet roll hogging nature of the British public. If people had stuck to their normal buying patterns there would not be any issues. I despair of the behaviour of the British public ... Shameful

[southlondon413]

Sept 27, 2021 15:31:32 GMT SILENCED said:

Sept 27, 2021 15:12:52 GMT wirewiper said:

Or the British public realising once again that the current Government is in denial that there is a problem developing, despite clear evidence that the supply chain is breaking down in other areas; and has no response to it, so leaving them to take matters into their own hands. A government with a grip would acknowledge the crisis and bring in measures that ensure that supplies for emergency services and public transport are secured.  

The shortage of lorry drivers has been chronic for years and has been so exacerbated by Covid and Brexit that it hasn't taken much to tip the entire supply chain into crisis. 

There was no shortage until the media highlighted a few garages running out of fuel and making a national crisis. There was not a problem two weeks ago, and there would be no problem now if it was not for the frenzie created by the media ... and the toilet roll hogging nature of the British public.

Exactly and this is entirely what’s wrong with print media nowadays. It’s a symptom of an industry which is shrinking and reliant on ad-sales rather than actual news. Even news channels have become the same. We used to have responsible reporting but now it’s all click-bait articles designed to destabilise our country into us and them type situations.

[busman]

Sept 27, 2021 15:31:32 GMT SILENCED said:

Sept 27, 2021 15:12:52 GMT wirewiper said:

Or the British public realising once again that the current Government is in denial that there is a problem developing, despite clear evidence that the supply chain is breaking down in other areas; and has no response to it, so leaving them to take matters into their own hands. A government with a grip would acknowledge the crisis and bring in measures that ensure that supplies for emergency services and public transport are secured.  

The shortage of lorry drivers has been chronic for years and has been so exacerbated by Covid and Brexit that it hasn't taken much to tip the entire supply chain into crisis. 

There was no shortage until the media highlighted a few garages running out of fuel and making a national crisis. There was not a problem two weeks ago, and there would be no problem now if it was not for the frenzie created by the media ... and the toilet roll hogging nature of the British public. If people had stuck to their normal buying patterns there would not be any issues. I despair of the behaviour of the British public ... Shameful

I don’t blame the media for reporting the news they receive. That’s their job. The reporting was nuanced and quantified how many stations had closed, but once it was clear the government didn’t have a back up plan or any control over the supply issue and they instructed people on fuel use telling people not to panic….guess what will happen? Blame should be shouldered by the Road Haulage Association who leaked meeting contents to the press about a petrol stations closing in what looks like a clumsy attempt at pressuring the government to add HGV drivers to the occupational shortage list.