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Post by COBO on Feb 5, 2023 15:25:12 GMT
The thing I don’t get about ulez and I’ve been thinking long and hard about it and that is I’m guessing is the whole point or one of the points of it is to get people out of there cars or to reduce amount of gas guzzling cars off the road. So if that’s the case wouldn’t you improve the transport network like creating new links and make more transport more frequent before introducing it or even increasing the amount cycle lanes or creating more cycle highways. So if Sadiq doesn’t have the money to improve his transport network ie TfL how is he going to achieve the goal of stopping people using their cars. Neither of these are going to work because: 1. Tfl doesn't have as much money due to the impact of Covid-19, hence why they planned to withdraw several routes and cut many others too, rather than increasing links we're seeing decreasing links because of this like the removal of all weekend night services 2. Increasing the amount of cycle lanes or creating more cycle highways is a bad idea because they will actually increase traffic. Chiswick High Road is mental now because of the cycle lanes there. Besides many people do not use the cycle lanes That’s why I am asking how is he achieve his goal of getting people out of there cars if there no money in improving the transport or increase cycle lanes. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Feb 5, 2023 15:26:06 GMT
Neither of these are going to work because: 1. Tfl doesn't have as much money due to the impact of Covid-19, hence why they planned to withdraw several routes and cut many others too, rather than increasing links we're seeing decreasing links because of this like the removal of all weekend night services 2. Increasing the amount of cycle lanes or creating more cycle highways is a bad idea because they will actually increase traffic. Chiswick High Road is mental now because of the cycle lanes there. Besides many people do not use the cycle lanes That’s why I am asking how is he achieve his goal of getting people out of there cars if there no money in improving the transport or increase cycle lanes. Realistically he isn't going to achieve it but now he listens to no one |
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Post by joefrombow on Feb 6, 2023 11:32:49 GMT
That’s why I am asking how is he achieve his goal of getting people out of there cars if there no money in improving the transport or increase cycle lanes. Realistically he isn't going to achieve it but now he listens to no one I think he needs a holistic approach if he like working with the government to maybe reduce fares into London for a while like Off-Peak fares all the time and more cross border bus routes like we used to have until it kept on becoming increasingly difficult for operators to operate in London , It is cheaper to drive into London from a town not to far outside London like Chatham or Basildon or Chelmsford for example than it is to use public transport compared to commuting in to Manchester for example from a nearby town or Cardiff and this must play a major part in people using their vehicles but this isn't about saving the environment or trying to reduce emissions it's about money he knows full well most businesses will have to suck it up buttercup and get on with it . I can see the opposition being to strong for this to go through though I read yesterday that Surrey might refuse to put up ULEZ signage which will it make it unenforceable and am assuming other Tory led areas might do the same ... |
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Post by MKAY315 on Feb 6, 2023 12:05:51 GMT
Realistically he isn't going to achieve it but now he listens to no one I think he needs a holistic approach if he like working with the government to maybe reduce fares into London for a while like Off-Peak fares all the time and more cross border bus routes like we used to have until it kept on becoming increasingly difficult for operators to operate in London , It is cheaper to drive into London from a town not to far outside London like Chatham or Basildon or Chelmsford for example than it is to use public transport compared to commuting in to Manchester for example from a nearby town or Cardiff and this must play a major part in people using their vehicles but this isn't about saving the environment or trying to reduce emissions it's about money he knows full well most businesses will have to suck it up buttercup and get on with it . I can see the opposition being to strong for this to go through though I read yesterday that Surrey might refuse to put up ULEZ signage which will it make it unenforceable and am assuming other Tory led areas might do the same ... Wait till those folk who bought themselves an electric car get a taste of this soon come 2025. Those folk that come with the statements "GeT yOuRsElF aN eLeCtRiC cAr YoU wOn'T nEeD tO pAy TaX" 😂😂 *coughs April 2025* |
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Post by vjaska on Feb 6, 2023 12:31:38 GMT
Realistically he isn't going to achieve it but now he listens to no one I think he needs a holistic approach if he like working with the government to maybe reduce fares into London for a while like Off-Peak fares all the time and more cross border bus routes like we used to have until it kept on becoming increasingly difficult for operators to operate in London , It is cheaper to drive into London from a town not to far outside London like Chatham or Basildon or Chelmsford for example than it is to use public transport compared to commuting in to Manchester for example from a nearby town or Cardiff and this must play a major part in people using their vehicles but this isn't about saving the environment or trying to reduce emissions it's about money he knows full well most businesses will have to suck it up buttercup and get on with it . I can see the opposition being to strong for this to go through though I read yesterday that Surrey might refuse to put up ULEZ signage which will it make it unenforceable and am assuming other Tory led areas might do the same ... He won't be able to reduce fares due to the terms set out by the government and we won't get more border routes when London routes are being cut due to the lack of finance. I'm all in favour of cross border routes but heaping everything on him outside of his ULEZ scheme (someone who I don't particularly like myself and who have never voted for) isn't fair when the government and a former mayor only have contempt for London. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Feb 6, 2023 22:37:00 GMT
Because it hasn’t been done properly. Outer London traffic levels aren’t necessarily lower especially as car ownership is higher there than Inner London where most borough’s have low car ownership with the congestion caused by people who don’t live in those borough. Outer London is to receive several transport schemes in conjunction with the ULEZ. But where are these schemes? The ULEZ is kicking in later this year and barely any of these schemes exist. Half of Barking and Dagenham doesn't even have a proper night service nor is within any reasonable waking distance to stations, there's not even any night tube here. It's very hard to manage without a car in a lot of these parts. Not even just that. The next major problem is it WOULD create a border around Greater London. We do not have much cross border bus services and over the years many have come a cropper down to TfL's strict and stringent rules. If even the major group groups have cut back on them, that says it all. 20+ years ago, there were loads of them. This below, says it all ULEZ expansion: London emission zone 'extremely unfair' for Kent driversKent County Council said it is considering moves to block signs warning of London's expanded Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ) on its roads.www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-64541632 |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Feb 6, 2023 22:37:48 GMT
What is your evidence that road charging would reduce the amount of vehicles. It is a load of rubbish, same way how we thought the congestion charging would have done that in the zone 1 area. It only took a few years after for those saying they would not pay, to end up paying and resorting back to square one. The Ulez is a waste of time a joke and it is already said it would NOT reduce emissions further. Nothing more than a smoke screen for Khan like how Boris had his LT's and other projects there to prop his own career, nothing else. Bahahaha, you would be lucky if that money is ring fenced for public transport investments. What is your evidence that it wouldn't baring in mind, the Congestion Charge is a watered down version of it that only affects a small area and charges far less than it probably should? Like I said, a road pricing scheme can be tailored to give discounts for those who work or have a genuine need to use a car and for those who don't, cough up if you want to use it otherwise the roads will eventually grind to a halt whether you like it or not. And where is your evidence as well. I do not have the time at the moment to quote many various sources that has been said over the years. |
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Post by rugbyref on Feb 15, 2023 8:31:57 GMT
Now 4 Labour MPs from London constituencies have blasted Khan’s idiotic plans. But he is too full of his self- importance to back down. So I see this being resolved in the High Court.
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Post by southlondon413 on Feb 15, 2023 9:53:32 GMT
Now 4 Labour MPs from London constituencies have blasted Khan’s idiotic plans. But he is too full of his self- importance to back down. So I see this being resolved in the High Court. Indeed, it would be useful to have multiple truly independent studies conducted without TfLs involvement or influence. I know this will cost money but the due diligence has to be done and frankly TfLs studies do nothing but read as propaganda for Khan. He should at the very least offer to delay the scheme. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Feb 15, 2023 10:04:56 GMT
Now 4 Labour MPs from London constituencies have blasted Khan’s idiotic plans. But he is too full of his self- importance to back down. So I see this being resolved in the High Court. Indeed, it would be useful to have multiple truly independent studies conducted without TfLs involvement or influence. I know this will cost money but the due diligence has to be done and frankly TfLs studies do nothing but read as propaganda for Khan. He should at the very least offer to delay the scheme. As usual there has been so much propaganda from TfL over the past month supporting ULEZ and showing how it works etc. I very much am in doubt it would do sweet FA and is nothing more than a money making greenwash scam; just like CPZ's and LTN's. These have raked in millions for councils with bus services decimated. |
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Post by SILENCED on Feb 15, 2023 10:16:24 GMT
Indeed, it would be useful to have multiple truly independent studies conducted without TfLs involvement or influence. I know this will cost money but the due diligence has to be done and frankly TfLs studies do nothing but read as propaganda for Khan. He should at the very least offer to delay the scheme. As usual there has been so much propaganda from TfL over the past month supporting ULEZ and showing how it works etc. I very much am in doubt it would do sweet FA and is nothing more than a money making greenwash scam; just like CPZ's and LTN's. These have raked in millions for councils with bus services decimated. I can tell you now, if the funds were going directly into council coffers, they would be fully supportive of it. They just what more of your money they can then waste on further vanity projects that gives them the feeling of seem importance so they can give their little man ego a boost ... nothing like the power of spending someone else's money, especially when they have the power to impose it no matter how much they are wrong and how much those they represent complain and protest. Imagine most councillors were the type that were buried at school, and this is their revenge! |
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Post by enviroPB on Feb 15, 2023 18:44:31 GMT
The Son of a Bus Driver just gave a live ITV London interview, in which he was grilled about mounting opposition from all political sides with regards to the ULEZ expansion. The Mayor did disclose the scrappage scheme fund is now 170 million pounds, some 60 million shy of what City Hall says is needed to cover all affected parties.
I tend to be impartial with my political views but I do believe this is an unfortunate legacy project, brought forward a year or so so that the launch is within Sadiq's tenure as Mayor. It may well come at a cost to Labour winning the next mayoral election. It's clear the Mayor doesn't want to stump up all the cash, so at least work with the outer borough councils to not impose such a quick timescale. A staggered approach could do well; big businesses with HGVs first, then SMEs, then private cars as a general outlay won't be bad. But as aforementioned, Sadiq railroading ULEZ would likely be his last achievement as London mayor.
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Post by SILENCED on Feb 15, 2023 19:03:04 GMT
The Son of a Bus Driver just gave a live ITV London interview, in which he was grilled about mounting opposition from all political sides with regards to the ULEZ expansion. The Mayor did disclose the scrappage scheme fund is now 170 million pounds, some 60 million shy of what City Hall says is needed to cover all affected parties. I tend to be impartial with my political views but I do believe this is an unfortunate legacy project, brought forward a year or so so that the launch is within Sadiq's tenure as Mayor. It may well come at a cost to Labour winning the next mayoral election. It's clear the Mayor doesn't want to stump up all the cash, so at least work with the outer borough councils to not impose such a quick timescale. A staggered approach could do well; big businesses with HGVs first, then SMEs, then private cars as a general outlay won't be bad. But as aforementioned, Sadiq railroading ULEZ would likely be his last achievement as London mayor. Goods vehicles are already covered by the existing LEZ though? |
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Post by ServerKing on Feb 16, 2023 5:25:02 GMT
Indeed, it would be useful to have multiple truly independent studies conducted without TfLs involvement or influence. I know this will cost money but the due diligence has to be done and frankly TfLs studies do nothing but read as propaganda for Khan. He should at the very least offer to delay the scheme. As usual there has been so much propaganda from TfL over the past month supporting ULEZ and showing how it works etc. I very much am in doubt it would do sweet FA and is nothing more than a money making greenwash scam; just like CPZ's and LTN's. These have raked in millions for councils with bus services decimated. Also, TfL are deliberately hiding these LTNs from being highlighted on Google Maps or any navigation tool as they work hand in glove with greedy councils. Got a ticket in Hammersmith & Fulham's Hurlingham Estate when Google Maps directed me down there from Parson's Green in an effort to reach Townmead Rd (where the C3 bus turns off Wandsworth Bridge Rd). Ironic that Khan doesn't use the TfL network except for photo opportunities (such as posing on the new CAF DLR trains), and prefers his gas guzzling Range Rover Vogue V8 and police detail. Would love to see ULEZ taken down along with these cash cow LTNs. It's one of the main reasons I am quitting driving in London for work as they've destroyed the city  |
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Post by lundnah on Feb 16, 2023 8:40:58 GMT
As usual there has been so much propaganda from TfL over the past month supporting ULEZ and showing how it works etc. I very much am in doubt it would do sweet FA and is nothing more than a money making greenwash scam; just like CPZ's and LTN's. These have raked in millions for councils with bus services decimated. Also, TfL are deliberately hiding these LTNs from being highlighted on Google Maps or any navigation tool as they work hand in glove with greedy councils. Got a ticket in Hammersmith & Fulham's Hurlingham Estate when Google Maps directed me down there from Parson's Green in an effort to reach Townmead Rd (where the C3 bus turns off Wandsworth Bridge Rd). Ironic that Khan doesn't use the TfL network except for photo opportunities (such as posing on the new CAF DLR trains), and prefers his gas guzzling Range Rover Vogue V8 and police detail. Would love to see ULEZ taken down along with these cash cow LTNs. It's one of the main reasons I am quitting driving in London for work as they've destroyed the city "It's one of the main reasons I am quitting driving in London for work as they've destroyed the city"
It worked, then.
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