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Post by southlondon413 on Feb 18, 2023 12:35:28 GMT
I used to live in Hackney... before you'd fear vandals damaging your car, now you fear the council and police speed cameras  move too quickly = points. Move into wrong area = fines I don't blame these inner London councils strapped for cash as central government has reduced their funding, but they just need to be honest with everyone. Mrs works for Islington and says Parking is their biggest earner make of that what you will  In Sydney you get issued with a pass that allows you to park free anywhere in the same borough ... well at least in my mates one. Rip off Britain. Don’t forget the litter police are also a big earner for councils. Instant fine even if you make an innocent mistake. |
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Post by SILENCED on Feb 18, 2023 12:45:14 GMT
In Sydney you get issued with a pass that allows you to park free anywhere in the same borough ... well at least in my mates one. Rip off Britain. Don’t forget the litter police are also a big earner for councils. Instant fine even if you make an innocent mistake. But don't seem to be able to do anything about dog owners that allow their dogs to shite everywhere. It is all about getting your priorities wrong if you are a Councillor ... not condoning littering, but dropping a single piece of litter is not important in the grand scheme of things ... that's before we come onto pathetic attempts to stop fly tipping. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Feb 18, 2023 13:30:47 GMT
obviously this issue isn't applicable to everyone because some people need to drive like yourself, but surely some people could ditch their car and switch to greener methods of transport like trains and bikes Surely it should be a personal choice if you drive or not? I don't think people should be forced to switch. I would be very reluctant to give up my car as I value the fact its there when I need it.
I understand the green argument but still think it should be a choice and not forced with schemes like ULEZ and road closures. I feel for people in places like Hackney which has pretty much become a no car borough.
yes it should be a choice, and there are both sides to the discussion. However I do wonder whether people would ditch their cars due to the expensive costs of fuel! Driving is expensive and whilst there are sometimes inevitable delays on the tube I'd find the tube far more reliable than driving a car, it only takes one accident to clog an entire road. When the A40 was closed between Hanger Lane and White City due to a car crash last August, everyone had to divert via Uxbridge Road and the North Circular which were both rammed! |
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Post by ServerKing on Feb 18, 2023 15:18:35 GMT
Surely it should be a personal choice if you drive or not? I don't think people should be forced to switch. I would be very reluctant to give up my car as I value the fact its there when I need it.
I understand the green argument but still think it should be a choice and not forced with schemes like ULEZ and road closures. I feel for people in places like Hackney which has pretty much become a no car borough.
yes it should be a choice, and there are both sides to the discussion. However I do wonder whether people would ditch their cars due to the expensive costs of fuel! Driving is expensive and whilst there are sometimes inevitable delays on the tube I'd find the tube far more reliable than driving a car, it only takes one accident to clog an entire road. When the A40 was closed between Hanger Lane and White City due to a car crash last August, everyone had to divert via Uxbridge Road and the North Circular which were both rammed! I think the majority will stay on Dinosaur Juice as the infrastructure and practicality of electric isn't there yet, I don't know why they haven't devised a hot pluggable universal power pack which could be slid out from the underside of a car at a charging station, you could swap for a fully charged one for a fee, as you swap your depleted pack into a charging hub so it can charge for the next driver (green light would show when fully charged, red or amber to show battery not ready or dead), and off you go  I won't miss West London traffic... especially W12, where White City / Goldhawk Rd / Askew Rd /Uxbridge Rd / Wood Lane are notorious for clogs, along with the former West Link route heading past Westfield to the A40. No proper ways around except heading south to Hammersmith and taking a chance on the A315 towards Hammersmith or Kensington... Shepherds Bush Green can become like a racetrack when less busy, or a car park when it is  |
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Post by southlondon413 on Feb 18, 2023 15:34:34 GMT
yes it should be a choice, and there are both sides to the discussion. However I do wonder whether people would ditch their cars due to the expensive costs of fuel! Driving is expensive and whilst there are sometimes inevitable delays on the tube I'd find the tube far more reliable than driving a car, it only takes one accident to clog an entire road. When the A40 was closed between Hanger Lane and White City due to a car crash last August, everyone had to divert via Uxbridge Road and the North Circular which were both rammed! I think the majority will stay on Dinosaur Juice as the infrastructure and practicality of electric isn't there yet, I don't know why they haven't devised a hot pluggable universal power pack which could be slid out from the underside of a car at a charging station, you could swap for a fully charged one for a fee, as you swap your depleted pack into a charging hub so it can charge for the next driver (green light would show when fully charged, red or amber to show battery not ready or dead), and off you go I won't miss West London traffic... especially W12, where White City / Goldhawk Rd / Askew Rd /Uxbridge Rd / Wood Lane are notorious for clogs, along with the former West Link route heading past Westfield to the A40. No proper ways around except heading south to Hammersmith and taking a chance on the A315 towards Hammersmith or Kensington... Shepherds Bush Green can become like a racetrack when less busy, or a car park when it is I’d imagine that would be difficult to get insurance for. Any insurer could potentially say that because you aren’t using an original part, in the case of an accident or fire, the driver would be fully liable out of their own pocket. You couldn’t hold the last battery user responsible as there’s no way to prove they were at fault if they returned it damaged but the new user didn’t notice. You’d need a very stringent system to record the users and insurance would likely become very expensive for the cars that use them. |
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Post by SILENCED on Feb 18, 2023 15:52:25 GMT
I think the majority will stay on Dinosaur Juice as the infrastructure and practicality of electric isn't there yet, I don't know why they haven't devised a hot pluggable universal power pack which could be slid out from the underside of a car at a charging station, you could swap for a fully charged one for a fee, as you swap your depleted pack into a charging hub so it can charge for the next driver (green light would show when fully charged, red or amber to show battery not ready or dead), and off you go I won't miss West London traffic... especially W12, where White City / Goldhawk Rd / Askew Rd /Uxbridge Rd / Wood Lane are notorious for clogs, along with the former West Link route heading past Westfield to the A40. No proper ways around except heading south to Hammersmith and taking a chance on the A315 towards Hammersmith or Kensington... Shepherds Bush Green can become like a racetrack when less busy, or a car park when it is I’d imagine that would be difficult to get insurance for. Any insurer could potentially say that because you aren’t using an original part, in the case of an accident or fire, the driver would be fully liable out of their own pocket. You couldn’t hold the last battery user responsible as there’s no way to prove they were at fault if they returned it damaged but the new user didn’t notice. You’d need a very stringent system to record the users and insurance would likely become very expensive for the cars that use them. Any time you get a replacement part you, whether be tyres, alternator, coolant, wipers, or even existing car battery, you will not be using an original part, but that does not invalidate your insurance |
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Post by ServerKing on Feb 18, 2023 16:00:51 GMT
I’d imagine that would be difficult to get insurance for. Any insurer could potentially say that because you aren’t using an original part, in the case of an accident or fire, the driver would be fully liable out of their own pocket. You couldn’t hold the last battery user responsible as there’s no way to prove they were at fault if they returned it damaged but the new user didn’t notice. You’d need a very stringent system to record the users and insurance would likely become very expensive for the cars that use them. Any time you get a replacement part you, whether be tyres, alternator, coolant, wipers, or even existing car battery, you will not be using an original part, but that does not invalidate your insurance Some sort of universal pack could be agreed between manufacturers, to standardize, rather than have a Kia approved, BMW approved, Toyota approved etc... but we know the Government loves the revenue from fuel, yet extols us to switch to electric It's the range anxiety that worries me. To get back on topic, it will be interesting to see the outcome of councils like Hillingdon's resistance to ULEZ. Ironic that Boris Johnson, founder of ULEZ, doesn't want it anywhere near his borough  |
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Post by SILENCED on Feb 18, 2023 16:01:04 GMT
yes it should be a choice, and there are both sides to the discussion. However I do wonder whether people would ditch their cars due to the expensive costs of fuel! Driving is expensive and whilst there are sometimes inevitable delays on the tube I'd find the tube far more reliable than driving a car, it only takes one accident to clog an entire road. When the A40 was closed between Hanger Lane and White City due to a car crash last August, everyone had to divert via Uxbridge Road and the North Circular which were both rammed! I think the majority will stay on Dinosaur Juice as the infrastructure and practicality of electric isn't there yet, I don't know why they haven't devised a hot pluggable universal power pack which could be slid out from the underside of a car at a charging station, you could swap for a fully charged one for a fee, as you swap your depleted pack into a charging hub so it can charge for the next driver (green light would show when fully charged, red or amber to show battery not ready or dead), and off you go I won't miss West London traffic... especially W12, where White City / Goldhawk Rd / Askew Rd /Uxbridge Rd / Wood Lane are notorious for clogs, along with the former West Link route heading past Westfield to the A40. No proper ways around except heading south to Hammersmith and taking a chance on the A315 towards Hammersmith or Kensington... Shepherds Bush Green can become like a racetrack when less busy, or a car park when it is What incentive would there be for anyone to replace worn out or defective batteries? You would just pass them off to someone else? |
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Post by vjaska on Feb 18, 2023 20:36:36 GMT
obviously this issue isn't applicable to everyone because some people need to drive like yourself, but surely some people could ditch their car and switch to greener methods of transport like trains and bikes Surely it should be a personal choice if you drive or not? I don't think people should be forced to switch. I would be very reluctant to give up my car as I value the fact its there when I need it.
I understand the green argument but still think it should be a choice and not forced with schemes like ULEZ and road closures. I feel for people in places like Hackney which has pretty much become a no car borough.
I personally don’t believe it should be personal choice - unless your job or particular status means a car is essential, then there really is little need to own a car especially in London. And before the argument comes up about big shops, the amount of people doing a big shop has decreased at least since 2016 (if not longer) due to changing shopping habits where people do more smaller frequent shops due to falling disposable income |
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Post by WH241 on Feb 18, 2023 20:44:05 GMT
Surely it should be a personal choice if you drive or not? I don't think people should be forced to switch. I would be very reluctant to give up my car as I value the fact its there when I need it.
I understand the green argument but still think it should be a choice and not forced with schemes like ULEZ and road closures. I feel for people in places like Hackney which has pretty much become a no car borough.
I personally don’t believe it should be personal choice - unless your job or particular status means a car is essential, then there really is little need to own a car especially in London. And before the argument comes up about big shops, the amount of people doing a big shop has decreased at least since 2016 (if not longer) due to changing shopping habits where people do more smaller frequent shops due to falling disposable income You are joking right? You seriously think people should be told if they can own a car? I would love to see the public transport cope if they took all the "non" essential cars off the road! The school run alone would cripple the network judging by the amount of cars I encounter during term time.
I can't work out of you are really being serious! Even if you are being serious I can't see it happening especially after the ULEZ backlash.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 18, 2023 20:48:04 GMT
I personally don’t believe it should be personal choice - unless your job or particular status means a car is essential, then there really is little need to own a car especially in London. And before the argument comes up about big shops, the amount of people doing a big shop has decreased at least since 2016 (if not longer) due to changing shopping habits where people do more smaller frequent shops due to falling disposable income You are joking right? You seriously think people should be told if they can own a car? I would love to see the public transport cope if they took all the "non" essential cars off the road! The school run alone would cripple the network judging by the amount of cars I encounter during term time. I can't work out of you are really being serious! Even if you are being serious I can't see it happening especially after the ULEZ backlash.
It’s my opinion, take it how you wish - it would also be great if you don’t pick out assumptions and instead rather ask me about details instead as then you would know it would also require improvements and investment in public transport which should be a priority in any event |
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Post by ServerKing on Feb 18, 2023 23:14:53 GMT
I think the majority will stay on Dinosaur Juice as the infrastructure and practicality of electric isn't there yet, I don't know why they haven't devised a hot pluggable universal power pack which could be slid out from the underside of a car at a charging station, you could swap for a fully charged one for a fee, as you swap your depleted pack into a charging hub so it can charge for the next driver (green light would show when fully charged, red or amber to show battery not ready or dead), and off you go I won't miss West London traffic... especially W12, where White City / Goldhawk Rd / Askew Rd /Uxbridge Rd / Wood Lane are notorious for clogs, along with the former West Link route heading past Westfield to the A40. No proper ways around except heading south to Hammersmith and taking a chance on the A315 towards Hammersmith or Kensington... Shepherds Bush Green can become like a racetrack when less busy, or a car park when it is What incentive would there be for anyone to replace worn out or defective batteries? You would just pass them off to someone else? Yes. The idea would be when your battery is depleated, to swap it for a freshly charged one at a charging point. This is not the battery in a conventional diesel / petrol car, but like an EV power cell. The depleted cell would go in a charging unit at somewhere like Shell, Esso etc (they could charge £60 for instance for a freshly charged pack, the depleated one is recycled for someone else to use). In early 2000s, Nokia phones had this type of tech with batteries you could slide off the back of the phone. It would be quicker than hanging around a Costa Coffee waiting 2 hours for a car to charge |
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Post by northlondon83 on Feb 18, 2023 23:16:36 GMT
yes it should be a choice, and there are both sides to the discussion. However I do wonder whether people would ditch their cars due to the expensive costs of fuel! Driving is expensive and whilst there are sometimes inevitable delays on the tube I'd find the tube far more reliable than driving a car, it only takes one accident to clog an entire road. When the A40 was closed between Hanger Lane and White City due to a car crash last August, everyone had to divert via Uxbridge Road and the North Circular which were both rammed! I think the majority will stay on Dinosaur Juice as the infrastructure and practicality of electric isn't there yet, I don't know why they haven't devised a hot pluggable universal power pack which could be slid out from the underside of a car at a charging station, you could swap for a fully charged one for a fee, as you swap your depleted pack into a charging hub so it can charge for the next driver (green light would show when fully charged, red or amber to show battery not ready or dead), and off you go I won't miss West London traffic... especially W12, where White City / Goldhawk Rd / Askew Rd /Uxbridge Rd / Wood Lane are notorious for clogs, along with the former West Link route heading past Westfield to the A40. No proper ways around except heading south to Hammersmith and taking a chance on the A315 towards Hammersmith or Kensington... Shepherds Bush Green can become like a racetrack when less busy, or a car park when it is Good Lord West London has some notoriously slow roads, most notably Uxbridge Road especially around West Ealing and Southall (the lane closure in West Ealing is causing a build up of traffic). Fulham Palace Road is equally as bad especially at the northern end! |
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Post by SILENCED on Feb 18, 2023 23:31:53 GMT
What incentive would there be for anyone to replace worn out or defective batteries? You would just pass them off to someone else? Yes. The idea would be when your battery is depleated, to swap it for a freshly charged one at a charging point. This is not the battery in a conventional diesel / petrol car, but like an EV power cell. The depleted cell would go in a charging unit at somewhere like Shell, Esso etc (they could charge £60 for instance for a freshly charged pack, the depleated one is recycled for someone else to use). In early 2000s, Nokia phones had this type of tech with batteries you could slide off the back of the phone. It would be quicker than hanging around a Costa Coffee waiting 2 hours for a car to charge But you will know from mobile phone batteries degrade over time. If you just swap it over, who has the incentive to replace degraded batteries, especially what we hear of costs for replacement bus hybrid batteries. Let's say your pack has sub optimal charging capacity, what's then stopping you going to one of these "garages" and swapping it out for another one, then passing on your defective battery to an unsuspecting fellow motorist? |
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Post by ServerKing on Feb 18, 2023 23:45:38 GMT
Yes. The idea would be when your battery is depleated, to swap it for a freshly charged one at a charging point. This is not the battery in a conventional diesel / petrol car, but like an EV power cell. The depleted cell would go in a charging unit at somewhere like Shell, Esso etc (they could charge £60 for instance for a freshly charged pack, the depleated one is recycled for someone else to use). In early 2000s, Nokia phones had this type of tech with batteries you could slide off the back of the phone. It would be quicker than hanging around a Costa Coffee waiting 2 hours for a car to charge But you will know from mobile phone batteries degrade over time. If you just swap it over, who has the incentive to replace degraded batteries, especially what we hear of costs for replacement bus hybrid batteries. Let's say your pack has sub optimal charging capacity, what's then stopping you going to one of these "garages" and swapping it out for another one, then passing on your defective battery to an unsuspecting fellow motorist? It's not a matter of conscience, it's all hypothetical  it's either that or carry on with combustion engine tech or hydrogen |
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move too quickly = points. Move into wrong area = fines 
it's either that or carry on with combustion engine tech or hydrogen