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Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 13, 2023 23:02:28 GMT
lol, wishful thinking. Khan got force everyone in London to pay £20 everytime they leave their house in a new Khanation tax, and he would still end up as mayor again. I want Howard Cox to become mayor. No chance but... He is anti EV and pro car. Why would you want a pro car mayor in a city? I do not doubt a car is useful for some journeys in a city however we should really be encouraging the use of public transport.
Investment is needed in public transport to make systems like LTNs work. By making it more inconvenient for people to drive for short trips, and providing adequate alternatives outside of simply telling people to get onto a bike or walk in the form of improved public transport, then you might begin to see a reduction in the number of cars on the road. What we are seeing nowadays is main roads being choked as a result of there not being enough alternatives to make it worth getting out the car, hence why so many people complain about buses being delayed and main roads seeing significantly more throughput.
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Post by yunus on Apr 13, 2023 23:07:52 GMT
I want Howard Cox to become mayor. No chance but... He is anti EV and pro car. Why would you want a pro car mayor in a city? I do not doubt a car is useful for some journeys in a city however we should really be encouraging the use of public transport.
Investment is needed in public transport to make systems like LTNs work. By making it more inconvenient for people to drive for short trips, and providing adequate alternatives outside of simply telling people to get onto a bike or walk in the form of improved public transport, then you might begin to see a reduction in the number of cars on the road. What we are seeing nowadays is main roads being choked as a result of there not being enough alternatives to make it worth getting out the car, hence why so many people complain about buses being delayed and main roads seeing significantly more throughput.
Ride the 139 or any other major Central London route e2e and we can discuss how well progress you made on the journey. Buses is no longer a viable option in Central London with the mess they have made. Trains are the way forward but if you cannot afford then your stuck with the bus, actually quicker to walk not joking. I used to really have decent speed journeys in Central London before the crap done.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 13, 2023 23:11:29 GMT
I want Howard Cox to become mayor. No chance but... He is anti EV and pro car. Why would you want a pro car mayor in a city? I do not doubt a car is useful for some journeys in a city however we should really be encouraging the use of public transport. Investment is needed in public transport to make systems like LTNs work. By making it more inconvenient for people to drive for short trips, and providing adequate alternatives outside of simply telling people to get onto a bike or walk in the form of improved public transport, then you might begin to see a reduction in the number of cars on the road. What we are seeing nowadays is main roads being choked as a result of there not being enough alternatives to make it worth getting out the car, hence why so many people complain about buses being delayed and main roads seeing significantly more throughput.
Even me as a pro public transport user, I don't find LTN's helpful at all and actually cause problems to people beyond car users themselves such as pedestrians & even bus users because the big impact an LTN has is it simply moves the congestion and pollution from one place to another. ronnie will hate me for saying but some sort of proper road charging system is what's needed to significantly reduce congestion - the problem is I'm not convinced by Khan implementing it properly (certain caveats is needed such as the people whose jobs can only be done by driving a car and certain other users where a fair charging system would be needed for those particular users) nor am I convinced that any Tory mayor cares about public transport in general and would just allow the current situation to continue favoring everyone but public transport - at this point, only an independent could change the course of thinking and people don't give independents enough votes because they are blinded by the two main party candidates time and again
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Post by yunus on Apr 13, 2023 23:24:14 GMT
Why would you want a pro car mayor in a city? I do not doubt a car is useful for some journeys in a city however we should really be encouraging the use of public transport. Investment is needed in public transport to make systems like LTNs work. By making it more inconvenient for people to drive for short trips, and providing adequate alternatives outside of simply telling people to get onto a bike or walk in the form of improved public transport, then you might begin to see a reduction in the number of cars on the road. What we are seeing nowadays is main roads being choked as a result of there not being enough alternatives to make it worth getting out the car, hence why so many people complain about buses being delayed and main roads seeing significantly more throughput.
Even me as a pro public transport user, I don't find LTN's helpful at all and actually cause problems to people beyond car users themselves such as pedestrians & even bus users because the big impact an LTN has is it simply moves the congestion and pollution from one place to another. ronnie will hate me for saying but some sort of proper road charging system is what's needed to significantly reduce congestion - the problem is I'm not convinced by Khan implementing it properly (certain caveats is needed such as the people whose jobs can only be done by driving a car and certain other users where a fair charging system would be needed for those particular users) nor am I convinced that any Tory mayor cares about public transport in general and would just allow the current situation to continue favoring everyone but public transport - at this point, only an independent could change the course of thinking and people don't give independents enough votes because they are blinded by the two main party candidates time and again Ahhh if only the best Ken Livingstone was still around. London would have an amazing transport system as it did during his reign.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 13, 2023 23:31:19 GMT
Why would you want a pro car mayor in a city? I do not doubt a car is useful for some journeys in a city however we should really be encouraging the use of public transport.
Investment is needed in public transport to make systems like LTNs work. By making it more inconvenient for people to drive for short trips, and providing adequate alternatives outside of simply telling people to get onto a bike or walk in the form of improved public transport, then you might begin to see a reduction in the number of cars on the road. What we are seeing nowadays is main roads being choked as a result of there not being enough alternatives to make it worth getting out the car, hence why so many people complain about buses being delayed and main roads seeing significantly more throughput.
Ride the 139 or any other major Central London route e2e and we can discuss how well progress you made on the journey. Buses is no longer a viable option in Central London with the mess they have made. Trains are the way forward but if you cannot afford then your stuck with the bus, actually quicker to walk not joking. I used to really have decent speed journeys in Central London before the crap done. What crap has been done specifically? Most of the problems in Central London lie with the sheer number of UBERs parading round London on the streets, in fact when I last used the 139 end to end from Waterloo to GG, it was around Christmas 2019 and pretty much every side street we went past an UBER was peeking out on the Central London section. That is the first problem I would try and solve relating to congestion within Central London.
There are some issues nowadays that there weren't back when the Congestion Charge was first introduced in 2003 (arguably the golden year for bus travel in London). One of the most prominent issues has been the significant increase in the number of people living in London, owing to uneven investment across the UK and London being seen as the place to "make it". The population has gone up 25% in 20 years compared to it only having increased by 9% between 1983 and 2003. The average GDP per capita in London has gone up from just shy of £34k in 2003 to £58k just before the pandemic, and an increase in the average wage from £21k to £33k. So it's clear to see that there has been an overall increase in wealth and people are now no longer seeing public transport as viable due to cuts made in public transport or it being considered too slow, hence why people are willing to splash out on an UBER or a minicab when I remember growing up minicabs were considered a luxury and you had to fork out an arm and a leg for a Hackney Carriage. We cannot have a pro car mayor to help solve issues facing public transport in London when cars are one of the main forms of congestion affecting public transport.
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Post by northlondon83 on Apr 14, 2023 5:19:10 GMT
Why would you want a pro car mayor in a city? I do not doubt a car is useful for some journeys in a city however we should really be encouraging the use of public transport.
Investment is needed in public transport to make systems like LTNs work. By making it more inconvenient for people to drive for short trips, and providing adequate alternatives outside of simply telling people to get onto a bike or walk in the form of improved public transport, then you might begin to see a reduction in the number of cars on the road. What we are seeing nowadays is main roads being choked as a result of there not being enough alternatives to make it worth getting out the car, hence why so many people complain about buses being delayed and main roads seeing significantly more throughput.
Ride the 139 or any other major Central London route e2e and we can discuss how well progress you made on the journey. Buses is no longer a viable option in Central London with the mess they have made. Trains are the way forward but if you cannot afford then your stuck with the bus, actually quicker to walk not joking. I used to really have decent speed journeys in Central London before the crap done. Agreed but it depends on where you travel by bus. Some areas in London like around Biggin Hill have no train station have to rely on buses to get them to their nearest train station. However if you're doing a journey on the 207/427 and to an extent 607 it's going to be a long ride. I cycle on that corridor most days and most times I overtake at least one 207 on my route. Even the rare occasion I have beat a 607 travelling westbound because it gets stuck in so much traffic in Southall. Doing cross Southall traffic is pointless because you get stuck in so much traffic
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Post by wirewiper on Apr 14, 2023 7:29:20 GMT
May I just remind you all as well, victimising the less well off and telling everyone you shouldn’t be using your car in London to help clean the air up … All while he’s being driven around in a £400k gas guzzling V8 Range Rover. Which of course by a remarkable coincidence will be exempt from the ULEZ. This man is an utter hypocrite and I’ve never shown a major show such contempt to the people of London. I’m absolutely no Boris fan at all, but at least he used a bicycle when he was Mayor of London while encouraging people to do the same. If this absolute clown of a Mayor gets re-elected (which tbh after his ULEZ fantasy idea thankfully is now looking pretty unlikely), then London is doomed. Yet somehow no-one seemed to mind when Johnson was Prime Minister and had a motorcade to travel from Downing Street to the Houses of Parliament. He could have walked it in five minutes. No doubt you will tell me the circumstances are different, but they aren't really - protection of a high-profile public figure.
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Post by wirewiper on Apr 14, 2023 7:34:54 GMT
lol, wishful thinking. Khan got force everyone in London to pay £20 everytime they leave their house in a new Khanation tax, and he would still end up as mayor again. I want Howard Cox to become mayor. No chance but... He is anti EV and pro car. Howard Cox? The right-wing climate-change denier? Great idea, get him his own show on GB News whilst you're at it.
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Post by southlondon413 on Apr 14, 2023 7:47:33 GMT
May I just remind you all as well, victimising the less well off and telling everyone you shouldn’t be using your car in London to help clean the air up … All while he’s being driven around in a £400k gas guzzling V8 Range Rover. Which of course by a remarkable coincidence will be exempt from the ULEZ. This man is an utter hypocrite and I’ve never shown a major show such contempt to the people of London. I’m absolutely no Boris fan at all, but at least he used a bicycle when he was Mayor of London while encouraging people to do the same. If this absolute clown of a Mayor gets re-elected (which tbh after his ULEZ fantasy idea thankfully is now looking pretty unlikely), then London is doomed. Yet somehow no-one seemed to mind when Johnson was Prime Minister and had a motorcade to travel from Downing Street to the Houses of Parliament. He could have walked it in five minutes. No doubt you will tell me the circumstances are different, but they aren't really - protection of a high-profile public figure. It’s slightly different being a controversial PM of the UK, as opposed to an oversized ego in a suit with a strong napoleon complex.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 14, 2023 8:31:24 GMT
May I just remind you all as well, victimising the less well off and telling everyone you shouldn’t be using your car in London to help clean the air up … All while he’s being driven around in a £400k gas guzzling V8 Range Rover. Which of course by a remarkable coincidence will be exempt from the ULEZ. This man is an utter hypocrite and I’ve never shown a major show such contempt to the people of London. I’m absolutely no Boris fan at all, but at least he used a bicycle when he was Mayor of London while encouraging people to do the same. If this absolute clown of a Mayor gets re-elected (which tbh after his ULEZ fantasy idea thankfully is now looking pretty unlikely), then London is doomed. Yet somehow no-one seemed to mind when Johnson was Prime Minister and had a motorcade to travel from Downing Street to the Houses of Parliament. He could have walked it in five minutes. No doubt you will tell me the circumstances are different, but they aren't really - protection of a high-profile public figure. Let's be realistic here, I despised Johnson but he was PM and leader of the country. He needs appropriate security and I wouldn't expect any less from any other PM no matter the party. It's like when people criticised him for having a Covid test done when there was a shortage. He was leading the country during the time so should have been the highest priority to get tested regardless.
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Post by enviroPB on Apr 14, 2023 10:42:12 GMT
Yet somehow no-one seemed to mind when Johnson was Prime Minister and had a motorcade to travel from Downing Street to the Houses of Parliament. He could have walked it in five minutes. No doubt you will tell me the circumstances are different, but they aren't really - protection of a high-profile public figure. Let's be realistic here, I despised Johnson but he was PM and leader of the country. He needs appropriate security and I wouldn't expect any less from any other PM no matter the party. It's like when people criticised him for having a Covid test done when there was a shortage. He was leading the country during the time so should have been the highest priority to get tested regardless. Johnson got the same level of protective detail as Mayor that Khan is getting now. Running the office of a world leading city gives you worldwide notoriety and thus, makes you a target. Depending on the situation, the Mayor of London has security clearance for the Government's Cobra meeting in certain emergencies. How people can advocate for Sadiq Khan to not have top level security detail given his political importance is quite frankly baffling and wreckless.
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Post by southlondon413 on Apr 14, 2023 11:03:09 GMT
Let's be realistic here, I despised Johnson but he was PM and leader of the country. He needs appropriate security and I wouldn't expect any less from any other PM no matter the party. It's like when people criticised him for having a Covid test done when there was a shortage. He was leading the country during the time so should have been the highest priority to get tested regardless. Johnson got the same level of protective detail as Mayor that Khan is getting now. Running the office of a world leading city gives you worldwide notoriety and thus, makes you a target. Depending on the situation, the Mayor of London has security clearance for the Government's Cobra meeting in certain emergencies. How people can advocate for Sadiq Khan to not have top level security detail given his political importance is quite frankly baffling and wreckless. I just think there is slight hypocrisy in continually talking improving air quality and being driven around in a big hulking diesel 4x4 followed by a second 4x4, police motorbikes and other vehicles. Convert them to electric, lead by example because he just looks like a lot of other media people who talk green renewable energy but don’t lead by example.
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Post by enviroPB on Apr 14, 2023 11:36:55 GMT
Johnson got the same level of protective detail as Mayor that Khan is getting now. Running the office of a world leading city gives you worldwide notoriety and thus, makes you a target. Depending on the situation, the Mayor of London has security clearance for the Government's Cobra meeting in certain emergencies. How people can advocate for Sadiq Khan to not have top level security detail given his political importance is quite frankly baffling and wreckless. I just think there is slight hypocrisy in continually talking improving air quality and being driven around in a big hulking diesel 4x4 followed by a second 4x4, police motorbikes and other vehicles. Convert them to electric, lead by example because he just looks like a lot of other media people who talk green renewable energy but don’t lead by example. When there are examples of Tesla cars having bulletproof windows and windscreens, then by all means criticise away. But the Mayor doesn't choose what car he goes in, it's his security detail that makes the choice.
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Post by SILENCED on Apr 14, 2023 11:47:14 GMT
I just think there is slight hypocrisy in continually talking improving air quality and being driven around in a big hulking diesel 4x4 followed by a second 4x4, police motorbikes and other vehicles. Convert them to electric, lead by example because he just looks like a lot of other media people who talk green renewable energy but don’t lead by example. When there are examples of Tesla cars having bulletproof windows and windscreens, then by all means criticise away. But the Mayor doesn't choose what car he goes in, it's his security detail that makes the choice. It is the do as I say and not as I do hypocrisy that people have a hard time accepting. If you are not willing to live by your own rules, why do you expect others to? Politicians are completely two faced. From local councillors to Minsters, they are all (nearly) despicable two faced liars and cheats. Wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them! We need leaders who lead by example!
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Post by SILENCED on Apr 14, 2023 11:55:20 GMT
I want Howard Cox to become mayor. No chance but... He is anti EV and pro car. Why would you want a pro car mayor in a city? I do not doubt a car is useful for some journeys in a city however we should really be encouraging the use of public transport.
Investment is needed in public transport to make systems like LTNs work. By making it more inconvenient for people to drive for short trips, and providing adequate alternatives outside of simply telling people to get onto a bike or walk in the form of improved public transport, then you might begin to see a reduction in the number of cars on the road. What we are seeing nowadays is main roads being choked as a result of there not being enough alternatives to make it worth getting out the car, hence why so many people complain about buses being delayed and main roads seeing significantly more throughput.
Pro car is probably wrong, but pro getting London moving and not channelling traffic into stationary queues, the latter which is never good for anywhere , let alone England's Capital City. If you speed up traffic flows, you will speed up bus journies ... the speed of a bus journey is intrinsically linked to the speed of general road traffic. Slow traffic down, bus journies take longer, speed up traffic, bus journies become quicker and become a more realistic alternative. Identify bottlenecks, and come up with a solution that allows more free flow traffic. How much does it cost the UK economy having people deliberately delayed and unproductive? Then we wonder why this country is in such a mess! We live in a world where personal mobility is taken for granted. We are not going back to the 60s. Politicians need to accept this and come up with a solution that is compatible with 21st century lives, not regress back to a bygone era. On a separate issue, just waiting for the inevitable to happen and someone is killed getting off a bus directly into one of these cycle lanes. Await the authority to be prosecuted, and see what is the response! They can't say they were not warned.
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