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Post by MKAY315 on Feb 3, 2023 14:47:26 GMT
The best way I can describe how TFL is like at the moment is like this. A person works for a company and they're constantly working overtime. They treat their overtime salary as a base salary, not realising that one day it may stop. So they trod along with the high status and when that extra pence has stopped they struggle to maintain the status they built as they relied on the extra pence to get through. Now needing to take drastic measures to maintain that level they scrambling along to find more work. for your records ☝️🫡 |
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Post by vjaska on Feb 3, 2023 15:09:08 GMT
"2m km of new buses now" what the heck is he on about ? The Driver didn't quite word it "properly" what they wanted to say but it made perfect sense not just for "Essex" but for everyone in outer boroughs now is not the time to put it in and also eventually I am assuming the limits will change so euro 3 will then go to euro 4 and so on and so forth for petrol vehicles ? In the coming years ? If this was so important Ban the Vehicles not charge them . Out of interest, when is the time to do this? Personally, and I'm going to get so much stick for this but what's new on here anyway, I don't think they've actually gone far enough - rather than a ULEZ, they should start prepping for road charging in an effort to reduce the amount of vehicles on the roads but in a way that for people who need a car for their job or a particular important reason that means public transport is inadequate for them, there is a discount but anyone else who doesn't need one and uses one for the sake of it, should be charged an appropriate amount for doing so with the money strictly for transport investment |
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Post by joefrombow on Feb 3, 2023 15:40:00 GMT
"2m km of new buses now" what the heck is he on about ? The Driver didn't quite word it "properly" what they wanted to say but it made perfect sense not just for "Essex" but for everyone in outer boroughs now is not the time to put it in and also eventually I am assuming the limits will change so euro 3 will then go to euro 4 and so on and so forth for petrol vehicles ? In the coming years ? If this was so important Ban the Vehicles not charge them . Out of interest, when is the time to do this? Personally, and I'm going to get so much stick for this but what's new on here anyway, I don't think they've actually gone far enough - rather than a ULEZ, they should start prepping for road charging in an effort to reduce the amount of vehicles on the roads but in a way that for people who need a car for their job or a particular important reason that means public transport is inadequate for them, there is a discount but anyone else who doesn't need one and uses one for the sake of it, should be charged an appropriate amount for doing so with the money strictly for transport investment Not during the middle of a cost of living crisis and just when we are sort of recovering from Covid etc , People are already deserting London and not going to Town Centres etc and all new vehicles from 2030 will have to be electric which will eventually reduce the number of co2 emitting vehicles and what we forget in London quite a lot is that A lot of the workforce commute in (as the cost of living in London is ridiculous compared to elsewhere the south east is ridiculous really) but your "white van man" , your city workers , people who live on the outskirts Ongar , Brentwood , Thurrock might work in Romford or Dagenham or where transport isn't so great and the cost of a new vehicle or 62.50 a week is just too much at the moment with rising energy food and all the rest of it , I would say maybe 2025 when hopefully things are back to near normal but definitely not now a lot of people are struggling a car isn't always a luxury especially if you live outside of London but have to come here often for work or family commitments it's a necessity . |
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Post by joefrombow on Feb 3, 2023 15:42:22 GMT
The best way I can describe how TFL is like at the moment is like this. A person works for a company and they're constantly working overtime. They treat their overtime salary as a base salary, not realising that one day it may stop. So they trod along with the high status and when that extra pence has stopped they struggle to maintain the status they built as they relied on the extra pence to get through. Now needing to take drastic measures to maintain that level they scrambling along to find more work. for your records ☝️🫡 Bang on the money , but he should come out and say it as it is instead of all the sugarcoating , Even the fare increase coming will still leave the coffers short , some will say because of the fare freeze he implemented but like you say there was and still is a ridiculous amount of waste in tfl . |
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Post by ronnie on Feb 3, 2023 17:25:55 GMT
Why escorted out? Doesn’t the guy have a democratic right to protest, just like the climate terrorists? It depends on her conduct (I haven't watched the clip). Protesting is fair enough, but using abusive or threatening language or behaviour should not be tolerated. Freedom of speech? Or is it only the climate terrorists who can do that? Frankly there needs to be enough space to call a spade a spade |
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Post by wirewiper on Feb 3, 2023 17:33:25 GMT
It depends on her conduct (I haven't watched the clip). Protesting is fair enough, but using abusive or threatening language or behaviour should not be tolerated. Freedom of speech? Or is it only the climate terrorists who can do that? Frankly there needs to be enough space to call a spade a spade If you are including abusive and/or threatening language in your definition of "freedom of speech", then I disagree with you. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Feb 4, 2023 0:00:36 GMT
"2m km of new buses now" what the heck is he on about ? The Driver didn't quite word it "properly" what they wanted to say but it made perfect sense not just for "Essex" but for everyone in outer boroughs now is not the time to put it in and also eventually I am assuming the limits will change so euro 3 will then go to euro 4 and so on and so forth for petrol vehicles ? In the coming years ? If this was so important Ban the Vehicles not charge them . Out of interest, when is the time to do this? Personally, and I'm going to get so much stick for this but what's new on here anyway, I don't think they've actually gone far enough - rather than a ULEZ, they should start prepping for road charging in an effort to reduce the amount of vehicles on the roads but in a way that for people who need a car for their job or a particular important reason that means public transport is inadequate for them, there is a discount but anyone else who doesn't need one and uses one for the sake of it, should be charged an appropriate amount for doing so with the money strictly for transport investment What is your evidence that road charging would reduce the amount of vehicles. It is a load of rubbish, same way how we thought the congestion charging would have done that in the zone 1 area. It only took a few years after for those saying they would not pay, to end up paying and resorting back to square one. The Ulez is a waste of time a joke and it is already said it would NOT reduce emissions further. Nothing more than a smoke screen for Khan like how Boris had his LT's and other projects there to prop his own career, nothing else. Bahahaha, you would be lucky if that money is ring fenced for public transport investments. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Feb 4, 2023 0:02:54 GMT
Out of interest, when is the time to do this? Personally, and I'm going to get so much stick for this but what's new on here anyway, I don't think they've actually gone far enough - rather than a ULEZ, they should start prepping for road charging in an effort to reduce the amount of vehicles on the roads but in a way that for people who need a car for their job or a particular important reason that means public transport is inadequate for them, there is a discount but anyone else who doesn't need one and uses one for the sake of it, should be charged an appropriate amount for doing so with the money strictly for transport investment Not during the middle of a cost of living crisis and just when we are sort of recovering from Covid etc , People are already deserting London and not going to Town Centres etc and all new vehicles from 2030 will have to be electric which will eventually reduce the number of co2 emitting vehicles and what we forget in London quite a lot is that A lot of the workforce commute in (as the cost of living in London is ridiculous compared to elsewhere the south east is ridiculous really) but your "white van man" , your city workers , people who live on the outskirts Ongar , Brentwood , Thurrock might work in Romford or Dagenham or where transport isn't so great and the cost of a new vehicle or 62.50 a week is just too much at the moment with rising energy food and all the rest of it , I would say maybe 2025 when hopefully things are back to near normal but definitely not now a lot of people are struggling a car isn't always a luxury especially if you live outside of London but have to come here often for work or family commitments it's a necessity . Something you mentioned is that some people who are already on their knees may not even be able to get another vehicle which is newer as they may have to buy it on hp, and may already have a bad credit so would be refused. it can also happen a lot with sole traders. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Feb 4, 2023 0:05:54 GMT
ULEZ expansion: London mayor gives councils Thursday deadlineMayor of London Sadiq Khan has given Conservative councils until Thursday to sign a legal agreement allowing work to get under way to expand the Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ).www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-64485157ULEZ expansion: London Mayor Sadiq Khan and Martin Lewis clashConsumer finance expert Martin Lewis has told an event in London the planned timing of a clear-air zone expansion in the capital "is pretty tough".www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-64499710
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Post by vjaska on Feb 4, 2023 1:13:23 GMT
Out of interest, when is the time to do this? Personally, and I'm going to get so much stick for this but what's new on here anyway, I don't think they've actually gone far enough - rather than a ULEZ, they should start prepping for road charging in an effort to reduce the amount of vehicles on the roads but in a way that for people who need a car for their job or a particular important reason that means public transport is inadequate for them, there is a discount but anyone else who doesn't need one and uses one for the sake of it, should be charged an appropriate amount for doing so with the money strictly for transport investment What is your evidence that road charging would reduce the amount of vehicles. It is a load of rubbish, same way how we thought the congestion charging would have done that in the zone 1 area. It only took a few years after for those saying they would not pay, to end up paying and resorting back to square one. The Ulez is a waste of time a joke and it is already said it would NOT reduce emissions further. Nothing more than a smoke screen for Khan like how Boris had his LT's and other projects there to prop his own career, nothing else. Bahahaha, you would be lucky if that money is ring fenced for public transport investments. What is your evidence that it wouldn't baring in mind, the Congestion Charge is a watered down version of it that only affects a small area and charges far less than it probably should? Like I said, a road pricing scheme can be tailored to give discounts for those who work or have a genuine need to use a car and for those who don't, cough up if you want to use it otherwise the roads will eventually grind to a halt whether you like it or not. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Feb 4, 2023 8:23:52 GMT
Out of interest, when is the time to do this? Personally, and I'm going to get so much stick for this but what's new on here anyway, I don't think they've actually gone far enough - rather than a ULEZ, they should start prepping for road charging in an effort to reduce the amount of vehicles on the roads but in a way that for people who need a car for their job or a particular important reason that means public transport is inadequate for them, there is a discount but anyone else who doesn't need one and uses one for the sake of it, should be charged an appropriate amount for doing so with the money strictly for transport investment What is your evidence that road charging would reduce the amount of vehicles. It is a load of rubbish, same way how we thought the congestion charging would have done that in the zone 1 area. It only took a few years after for those saying they would not pay, to end up paying and resorting back to square one. The Ulez is a waste of time a joke and it is already said it would NOT reduce emissions further. Nothing more than a smoke screen for Khan like how Boris had his LT's and other projects there to prop his own career, nothing else. Bahahaha, you would be lucky if that money is ring fenced for public transport investments. Exactly it's like that Boris Island and the Garden Bridge that Boris Johnson proposed (thankfully they didn't take place). Or a more recent example was the Marble Arch mound which I believe was operational for less than 6 months and looked hideous. Complete and utter waste of money just like ULEZ. No wander people are annoyed. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Feb 4, 2023 9:12:28 GMT
What is your evidence that road charging would reduce the amount of vehicles. It is a load of rubbish, same way how we thought the congestion charging would have done that in the zone 1 area. It only took a few years after for those saying they would not pay, to end up paying and resorting back to square one. The Ulez is a waste of time a joke and it is already said it would NOT reduce emissions further. Nothing more than a smoke screen for Khan like how Boris had his LT's and other projects there to prop his own career, nothing else. Bahahaha, you would be lucky if that money is ring fenced for public transport investments. What is your evidence that it wouldn't baring in mind, the Congestion Charge is a watered down version of it that only affects a small area and charges far less than it probably should? Like I said, a road pricing scheme can be tailored to give discounts for those who work or have a genuine need to use a car and for those who don't, cough up if you want to use it otherwise the roads will eventually grind to a halt whether you like it or not. How would you establish a genuine need though? Places like Beckton Tesco are built almost exclusively for car users who do big weekly shops and would be useless if people stopped using cars. The focus really should be on widening roads where possible to alleviate traffic. People are more likely to just move out of London, and not work in London should you make it hard to drive around. Cars play a massive part in the economy of the city and restricting them even more would do a lot more damage than good. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Feb 4, 2023 9:16:37 GMT
What is your evidence that road charging would reduce the amount of vehicles. It is a load of rubbish, same way how we thought the congestion charging would have done that in the zone 1 area. It only took a few years after for those saying they would not pay, to end up paying and resorting back to square one. The Ulez is a waste of time a joke and it is already said it would NOT reduce emissions further. Nothing more than a smoke screen for Khan like how Boris had his LT's and other projects there to prop his own career, nothing else. Bahahaha, you would be lucky if that money is ring fenced for public transport investments. What is your evidence that it wouldn't baring in mind, the Congestion Charge is a watered down version of it that only affects a small area and charges far less than it probably should? Like I said, a road pricing scheme can be tailored to give discounts for those who work or have a genuine need to use a car and for those who don't, cough up if you want to use it otherwise the roads will eventually grind to a halt whether you like it or not. There's still been lots of traffic on inner London roads despite ULEZ though? What's to say that expanding it to everywhere within London is a good idea? Traffic levels are surely lower in outer London, and yes there's hotspots like Southall but how is it going to help people who live in outer London and have a need to use the car because of poor public transport connections |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Feb 4, 2023 9:43:56 GMT
What is your evidence that it wouldn't baring in mind, the Congestion Charge is a watered down version of it that only affects a small area and charges far less than it probably should? Like I said, a road pricing scheme can be tailored to give discounts for those who work or have a genuine need to use a car and for those who don't, cough up if you want to use it otherwise the roads will eventually grind to a halt whether you like it or not. How would you establish a genuine need though? Places like Beckton Tesco are built almost exclusively for car users who do big weekly shops and would be useless if people stopped using cars. The focus really should be on widening roads where possible to alleviate traffic. People are more likely to just move out of London, and not work in London should you make it hard to drive around. Cars play a massive part in the economy of the city and restricting them even more would do a lot more damage than good. Please give an example where widening roads has successfully worked anywhere. In the USA they've tried it plenty of times on their own roads and traffic has only ever worsened. Ultimately by building more lanes, you're creating induced demand.
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Post by greenboy on Feb 4, 2023 9:47:39 GMT
There is a lot of concern about the effects this will have on the NHS including the care industry where it's already difficult to recruit staff. I suspect a few people who work in the ULEZ area but live outside of it are going to be reconsidering their employment options including bus drivers.
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