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Post by greenboy on Oct 21, 2023 6:18:23 GMT
It's only intended for emergency use, when Parliament Square is closed, as buses standing there block the bus lane. I think it would be easier to extend the 53 back to Whitehall again rather than Lambeth Bridge. Sightseeing buses stand in the bus lane along Lambeth Palace Road so it shouldn't make much difference. A bigger problem is that TfL is removing the roundabouts either side of Lambeth Bridge for another idiotic cycling scheme. What's idiotic about making cycling safer? Anyway the 53 might just as well return to Whitehall as do that. Another option would be the Concert Hall stand when the 77 moves into Waterloo Station but apparently that's being removed due to redevelopment. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 21, 2023 8:34:53 GMT
Sightseeing buses stand in the bus lane along Lambeth Palace Road so it shouldn't make much difference. A bigger problem is that TfL is removing the roundabouts either side of Lambeth Bridge for another idiotic cycling scheme. What's idiotic about making cycling safer? Anyway the 53 might just as well return to Whitehall as do that. Another option would be the Concert Hall stand when the 77 moves into Waterloo Station but apparently that's being removed due to redevelopment. The thing is more cycle works would likely delays traffic over Westminster Bridge meaning the 53 would hit traffic in order to reach Whitehall. Also more delays in the area would likely reduce use further on the 12/453. People simply won't sit in traffic jams indefinitely. |
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Post by greenboy on Oct 21, 2023 8:59:03 GMT
What's idiotic about making cycling safer? Anyway the 53 might just as well return to Whitehall as do that. Another option would be the Concert Hall stand when the 77 moves into Waterloo Station but apparently that's being removed due to redevelopment. The thing is more cycle works would likely delays traffic over Westminster Bridge meaning the 53 would hit traffic in order to reach Whitehall. Also more delays in the area would likely reduce use further on the 12/453. People simply won't sit in traffic jams indefinitely. Regardless of any cycle lane works I don't think there's much likelihood of the 53 being extended anywhere, a cutback to Elephant & Castle is probably more likely although Lower Marsh does at least give same stop interchange with four other routes across Westminster Bridge. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 21, 2023 9:15:51 GMT
The thing is more cycle works would likely delays traffic over Westminster Bridge meaning the 53 would hit traffic in order to reach Whitehall. Also more delays in the area would likely reduce use further on the 12/453. People simply won't sit in traffic jams indefinitely. Regardless of any cycle lane works I don't think there's much likelihood of the 53 being extended anywhere, a cutback to Elephant & Castle is probably more likely although Lower Marsh does at least give same stop interchange with four other routes across Westminster Bridge. Probably lack of stand space was the reason it didn't get cut to Elephant in 2019 thou as we know running to Lambeth North does provide a hospital link which tfl would probably face opposition to. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Oct 21, 2023 9:24:14 GMT
And 289 on Sundays, gets extremely busy The tender results announced this week included that the 289 will get fully double decked! |
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Post by cybermike137 on Oct 21, 2023 9:40:58 GMT
And 289 on Sundays, gets extremely busy The tender results announced this week included that the 289 will get fully double decked! I know and I am very excited that our garage will be fully electric |
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Post by TB123 on Oct 21, 2023 9:44:44 GMT
The tender results announced this week included that the 289 will get fully double decked! I know and I am very excited that our garage will be fully electric Interesting to see if the 198 & 410 are after all swapped out for the 50s & 194s as seems possible. I even wonder if the 198 would possibly have a 157 style arrangement, buses parked at TC Monday-Saturday, drivers from TH. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 21, 2023 10:06:37 GMT
I know and I am very excited that our garage will be fully electric Interesting to see if the 198 & 410 are after all swapped out for the 50s & 194s as seems possible If TH is confirmed to be going fully electric, then the 198 and 410 will have to leave. The only other possibility would be for the 410 to go to N instead of TC. This could actually work well in terms of driver availability - if the 137 fully moves to BN, then this along with the 50 would complete the reshuffle. Then the 194 and 198 swapping alongside. |
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Post by cybermike137 on Oct 21, 2023 11:35:20 GMT
Interesting to see if the 198 & 410 are after all swapped out for the 50s & 194s as seems possible If TH is confirmed to be going fully electric, then the 198 and 410 will have to leave. The only other possibility would be for the 410 to go to N instead of TC. This could actually work well in terms of driver availability - if the 137 fully moves to BN, then this along with the 50 would complete the reshuffle. Then the 194 and 198 swapping alongside. 410 is moving to TC, but not sure what route is coming to TH, apart from 663 |
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Post by londonbuses on Dec 11, 2023 18:39:57 GMT
Would it be worth changing the K2's timetable to have 8bph running between Kingston Hospital and Tolworth, and alternate buses (so 4bph) running through to Hook?
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Post by Green Kitten on Dec 16, 2023 9:18:27 GMT
Whatever became of the 407/443 plans? I suppose London Buses had a rethink with the trend of longer merged routes?
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Post by greenboy on Dec 16, 2023 9:36:14 GMT
Whatever became of the 407/443 plans? I suppose London Buses had a rethink with the trend of longer merged routes? As far as I'm aware they're supposed to be happening next year although any feedback from the original consultation is surely irrelevant now? |
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Post by evergreenadam on Dec 16, 2023 10:59:51 GMT
Would it be worth changing the K2's timetable to have 8bph running between Kingston Hospital and Tolworth, and alternate buses (so 4bph) running through to Hook? Would be interested to know the reasons behind your proposal. Recently I have observed the terrible reliability problems with the 281, with buses not making it through to Tolworth. Maybe the time has come to shorten the 281 to a Hounslow to Kingston route and let something else provide a more reliable service between Tolworth and Kingston. |
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Post by ian on Dec 16, 2023 11:27:16 GMT
For the first time since the start of Covid, I have noticed a couple of instances of the 251 being full up/not letting passengers on board - it used to be a regular occurrence in 2019 and earlier. The new buses are a help but passengers are clearly returning. Always the same places - heading eastbound through Mill Hill at about 8 am and westbound about 4-5pm.
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Post by greenboy on Dec 16, 2023 11:36:55 GMT
For the first time since the start of Covid, I have noticed a couple of instances of the 251 being full up/not letting passengers on board - it used to be a regular occurrence in 2019 and earlier. The new buses are a help but passengers are clearly returning. Always the same places - heading eastbound through Mill Hill at about 8 am and westbound about 4-5pm. School traffic? It's the same on a lot of routes. |
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