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Post by hk4 on Jul 25, 2024 10:39:07 GMT
K5 is a route that needs to be changed, although it's designed to serve the back roads, it has so much more potential - linking Morden to Kingston. I know it's a stretch, but if you heavily alter the route to make it DD or 12m friendly, and extend it up to Richmond - you could have vital links and a very busy service. The route would be long but it would give places like Motspur Park and Wimbledon Chase a decent connection to large towns like Kingston, Morden and Richmond.
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Post by southlondon413 on Jul 25, 2024 11:09:03 GMT
K5 is a route that needs to be changed, although it's designed to serve the back roads, it has so much more potential - linking Morden to Kingston. I know it's a stretch, but if you heavily alter the route to make it DD or 12m friendly, and extend it up to Richmond - you could have vital links and a very busy service. The route would be long but it would give places like Motspur Park and Wimbledon Chase a decent connection to large towns like Kingston, Morden and Richmond. If it was heavily altered to go double decker then some of those back roads around the Merton Park, Motspur Park, New Malden and Kingston areas could no longer be served by the “K5”. You need an entirely new route which would be superfluous as most of those areas are connected with just one change of bus. |
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Post by hk4 on Jul 28, 2024 11:01:23 GMT
I think that there is actually room for the buses to be decked around Merton & Motspur Park. In Motspur Park, there's always DDs being used on RR and it's only trees that cause minor issues.
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Post by hk4 on Jul 28, 2024 11:21:07 GMT
You could have the route continue via Kenley Road from Morden, or go straight up Mostyn Road. From there it could continue it's regular route until Raynes Park. From Raynes Park it could follow Grand Drive instead of Bushey Road until Westway, where it then traverses down Crossway onto West Barnes Lane. There is a width restriction there, but if widened for buses then they can fit - if not, it can be routed via 131 from Raynes Park to West Barnes Level Crossing, following original route to Motspur Park Station. From Motspur Park Station, it could either continue onto Motspur Park (OG route), or continue or West Barnes Lane then Blakes Lane. Blakes Lane is quite narrow, but it would ultimately serve a school and bring you closer to Malden Junction Roundabout. From Malden Junction Roundabout, rather than following the original route leading off from Kingston Road down Rodney Road, with adjustment to the bollards - it could head down Presburg Road, then traversing down Thetford Road until South Lane, where the bus would go until the end of South Lane - serving all the roads around the area, I believe there also needs to be road furniture adjustments on South Lane. From there it would follow the original route until Gloucester Road bus stop, where instead of heading down to Norbiton Station, it would follow 213 all the way to Kingston. There it could terminate or head further, but preferably not to Ham - it could go all the way up to Richmond following 65 and other similar routes, but those are all achievable by a train. If the route ends at Kingston, then the K4 could withdraw from Kingston to Kingston Hospital, and instead follow the old K5 route in Ham. Yellow is roughly the route I just said, and red is the original route:  |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Jul 28, 2024 11:29:14 GMT
You could have the route continue via Kenley Road from Morden, or go straight up Mostyn Road. From there it could continue it's regular route until Raynes Park. From Raynes Park it could follow Grand Drive instead of Bushey Road until Westway, where it then traverses down Crossway onto West Barnes Lane. There is a width restriction there, but if widened for buses then they can fit - if not, it can be routed via 131 from Raynes Park to West Barnes Level Crossing, following original route to Motspur Park Station. From Motspur Park Station, it could either continue onto Motspur Park (OG route), or continue or West Barnes Lane then Blakes Lane. Blakes Lane is quite narrow, but it would ultimately serve a school and bring you closer to Malden Junction Roundabout. From Malden Junction Roundabout, rather than following the original route leading off from Kingston Road down Rodney Road, with adjustment to the bollards - it could head down Presburg Road, then traversing down Thetford Road until South Lane, where the bus would go until the end of South Lane - serving all the roads around the area, I believe there also needs to be road furniture adjustments on South Lane. From there it would follow the original route until Gloucester Road bus stop, where instead of heading down to Norbiton Station, it would follow 213 all the way to Kingston. There it could terminate or head further, but preferably not to Ham - it could go all the way up to Richmond following 65 and other similar routes, but those are all achievable by a train. If the route ends at Kingston, then the K4 could withdraw from Kingston to Kingston Hospital, and instead follow the old K5 route in Ham. Yellow is roughly the route I just said, and red is the original route: As someone who's used the K5 a fair bit I don't agree with this. I agree with southlondon413's point that this isn't really the K5 anymore, and, while a Kingston-Morden direct link could be nice, I think that the 164-57, 93-57 or 93-SL7 caters for this demand sufficiently. Also I would not send a route down Friars Stile Road, least of all a double deck route, just send it via the normal 371 route. Anyway, if a Richmond-Morden link is desperately needed, extend the proposed SL493 to Morden. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Jul 28, 2024 11:47:45 GMT
There’s certainly a missing direct link between Lower Morden - New Malden - Kingston, which would be good to fill.
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Post by bluepuffy on Jul 28, 2024 13:01:42 GMT
There’s certainly a missing direct link between Lower Morden - New Malden - Kingston, which would be good to fill. I'm not sure how well this would work, but what if the 413 was diverted to follow the 163 to A298, then followed the 152 to New Malden Fountain Roundabout, then the 131's routing or the 213's routing to Kingston? The 413 seems like the best candidate for a route that already exists, the only problem is that well, the 213 and 413 would now both go to Kingston and start at Sutton Bushey Road. |
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Post by hk4 on Jul 28, 2024 14:16:03 GMT
How about a brand new route, could call it the 513 starting at St Helier Station, heading west on Green Lane until A24, where it heads South West until Garth Road, where it follows the 293 until Lower Morden Roundabout. Then it heads up North to Westway where it connects to Crossway/West Barnes Lane (if width restriction is removed). The bus heads South West down West Barnes Lane, either staying on West Barnes Lane/Blakes Lane or continuing onto Motspur Park. Once on Malden Road, it could head north following 213 until Langley Grove, where instead of turning, it could head all the way up to Coombe Lane West where it could follow 57 towards Kingston. If it is an SD route, it would go via Norbiton Station, if not it would continue following the 57 all the way to Fairfield Bus Station or another terminus in or around Kingston, such as Kingston Hall Road or new stand created in Hampton Wick or even as far as Hampton Court.
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Post by hk4 on Jul 28, 2024 14:26:50 GMT
This would be 16.6km, you could go an extra few km to West Molesey, meaning that the 411 could merge to be this route.  |
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Post by evergreenadam on Jul 28, 2024 14:27:40 GMT
There’s certainly a missing direct link between Lower Morden - New Malden - Kingston, which would be good to fill. I'm not sure how well this would work, but what if the 413 was diverted to follow the 163 to A298, then followed the 152 to New Malden Fountain Roundabout, then the 131's routing or the 213's routing to Kingston? The 413 seems like the best candidate for a route that already exists, the only problem is that well, the 213 and 413 would now both go to Kingston and start at Sutton Bushey Road. Yes, that would link the huge area around West Sutton, Stonecot Hill and Lower Morden to New Malden and Kingston for the first time. The fact that the route would start and terminate at the same places as the 213 is not a problem. Something would need to replace the 413 between Lower Morden and Morden. |
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Post by hk4 on Jul 28, 2024 14:45:59 GMT
I'm not sure how well this would work, but what if the 413 was diverted to follow the 163 to A298, then followed the 152 to New Malden Fountain Roundabout, then the 131's routing or the 213's routing to Kingston? The 413 seems like the best candidate for a route that already exists, the only problem is that well, the 213 and 413 would now both go to Kingston and start at Sutton Bushey Road. Yes, that would link the huge area around West Sutton, Stonecot Hill and Lower Morden to New Malden and Kingston for the first time. The fact that the route would start and terminate at the same places as the 213 is not a problem. Something would need to replace the 413 between Lower Morden and Morden. Which is why I think that a whole new route would work like 513 as I posted |
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Post by bluepuffy on Jul 28, 2024 16:18:30 GMT
I'm not sure how well this would work, but what if the 413 was diverted to follow the 163 to A298, then followed the 152 to New Malden Fountain Roundabout, then the 131's routing or the 213's routing to Kingston? The 413 seems like the best candidate for a route that already exists, the only problem is that well, the 213 and 413 would now both go to Kingston and start at Sutton Bushey Road. Yes, that would link the huge area around West Sutton, Stonecot Hill and Lower Morden to New Malden and Kingston for the first time. The fact that the route would start and terminate at the same places as the 213 is not a problem. Something would need to replace the 413 between Lower Morden and Morden. Could the 470 be diverted to West Sutton & Lower Morden after serving St Helier? |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 28, 2024 16:34:49 GMT
This would be 16.6km, you could go an extra few km to West Molesey, meaning that the 411 could merge to be this route. View AttachmentI don’t think the 411 should be merged into anything IMO - it exists to provide a Kingston to West Molesey link as well as the corridor in between & I don’t see any reason to potentially decrease the reliability along the current 411 section for new links that hardly anyone would use or require. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2024 15:00:34 GMT
Tbh the 490 should be decked, only reason it can’t is due to a low tree at Pools on the Park. Easy swap with the R70 now though. The Richmond area bus routes need another review in my opinion in due course. Route 490 being converted to a double deck operation should really happen on its next contract in 2026. Whoever thought redirecting the H22 away from Richmond was a smart move clearly doesn't live around the area. That's the main reason why the 490 suffers these days. It would've been fine operating SDs if the H22 stayed in its original form alleviating the pain between Richmond & Sixth Cross Road which is actually a very busy corridor. These days the H22 operates quite light whereas the 490 is packed. The R70 also is more busy since the change too. It would help if the frequency of that route returned to every 10 minutes instead of 12 and if the H22 doesn't return, deck the 490 when the contract renews and re-route it to where the H37 temporarily terminated at Richmond Station. |
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Post by georgboy on Aug 15, 2024 10:35:10 GMT
There’s certainly a missing direct link between Lower Morden - New Malden - Kingston, which would be good to fill. As a local I simply don't think it necessary. Like I drive, my mother doesn't. Obviously one bus would be preferable but like she pointed out she has so many different ways to getting to Kingston from there already. 163 to Raynes Park then 131/57 or the Train. Even getting in the 293 and then the 406. And if you want one bus you can walk through the cemetery or the public footpath to Motspur Park to get the K5 Monday to Saturday obviously |
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