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Post by vjaska on Dec 17, 2023 18:33:14 GMT
I don’t think the 23 needs to go back to crossing the city - like the 11, it was heavily prone to congestion when in it’s Liverpool Street to Westbourne Park form and whilst I agree that the Hammersmith routing was a waste and that Aldwych isn’t ideal, I don’t think lengthning the route without serious reduction in congestion is the answer either Yes I mean by 2017 when it was cutback to Aldwych it really felt inevitably the time had come to shorten it. If anything the 9 could possibly be able to handle an extension. I Still find slightly odd that the 9 cutback to Aldwych with the longer routing from Ladbroke Grove replaced it especially when the 9 was inevitably looking the Mortlake section. I agree, I think the 9 is a better candidate especially now it’s rerouted away from Piccadilly Circus |
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Post by southlondonbus on Dec 17, 2023 18:41:47 GMT
Yes I mean by 2017 when it was cutback to Aldwych it really felt inevitably the time had come to shorten it. If anything the 9 could possibly be able to handle an extension. I Still find slightly odd that the 9 cutback to Aldwych with the longer routing from Ladbroke Grove replaced it especially when the 9 was inevitably looking the Mortlake section. I agree, I think the 9 is a better candidate especially now it’s rerouted away from Piccadilly Circus The 9 is still able to manage end to end in around 45 mins compared to alot of routes really. Ironically Mortlake to Aldwych was still very doable as a route in 1992 and beyond had it not been for the Bridge. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Dec 17, 2023 23:04:31 GMT
Late evening service x20mins on route 33 is pretty poor considering what an important route it is.
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Post by southlondonbus on Dec 18, 2023 9:15:06 GMT
Late evening service x20mins on route 33 is pretty poor considering what an important route it is. But does the route cope alright. Freqs can seem low but in reality the demand may not be there. |
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Post by matthieu1221 on Dec 18, 2023 21:41:52 GMT
Yes I mean by 2017 when it was cutback to Aldwych it really felt inevitably the time had come to shorten it. If anything the 9 could possibly be able to handle an extension. I Still find slightly odd that the 9 cutback to Aldwych with the longer routing from Ladbroke Grove replaced it especially when the 9 was inevitably looking the Mortlake section. I agree, I think the 9 is a better candidate especially now it’s rerouted away from Piccadilly Circus Are you suggesting a re-reroute back via Pall Mall? Because it no longer does that. Gets stuck on the approach to Pic Circus like all the other routes.
Issue with the 23 is that east of Aldwych it's relatively congestion free (the 26 and 15 are pretty nippy east of that). It's only Trafalgar Square and the Strand which really jam up. So the 23 is going to a not very ideal terminus and suffering a whole lot of congestion due to it whilst not really serving the bulk of the passengers on it.
Aside from chop it back which is very much not ideal, TfL should look at modifying the taxi stand outside of Charing Cross and the overspill outside McDonald's which ends up overspilling onto the bus lane and have a look at the loading arrangements along the Strand (including perhaps, making the bus lane 24h -- or at least 6am-midnight rather than the current gap between morning and evening peak).
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Post by evergreenadam on Dec 19, 2023 7:13:28 GMT
I agree, I think the 9 is a better candidate especially now it’s rerouted away from Piccadilly Circus Are you suggesting a re-reroute back via Pall Mall? Because it no longer does that. Gets stuck on the approach to Pic Circus like all the other routes.
Issue with the 23 is that east of Aldwych it's relatively congestion free (the 26 and 15 are pretty nippy east of that). It's only Trafalgar Square and the Strand which really jam up. So the 23 is going to a not very ideal terminus and suffering a whole lot of congestion due to it whilst not really serving the bulk of the passengers on it.
Aside from chop it back which is very much not ideal, TfL should look at modifying the taxi stand outside of Charing Cross and the overspill outside McDonald's which ends up overspilling onto the bus lane and have a look at the loading arrangements along the Strand (including perhaps, making the bus lane 24h -- or at least 6am-midnight rather than the current gap between morning and evening peak).
The Strand is a nightmare for congestion, certainly needs attention as it affects so many bus routes on the main east-west corridor. |
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Post by COBO on Jan 28, 2024 14:02:59 GMT
Routes 92 and 297 need to go back to old frequencies the 92 every 8 minutes in the day and every 10 minutes in evening and the 297 running every 10 minutes in the day time and every 12 minutes in the evening. How did both of their frequecies get cut?
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Post by evergreenadam on Jan 28, 2024 17:37:53 GMT
Routes 92 and 297 need to go back to old frequencies the 92 every 8 minutes in the day and every 10 minutes in evening and the 297 running every 10 minutes in the day time and every 12 minutes in the evening. How did both of their frequecies get cut? Are they overcrowded? Which sections are affected? |
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Post by COBO on Jan 28, 2024 17:45:49 GMT
Routes 92 and 297 need to go back to old frequencies the 92 every 8 minutes in the day and every 10 minutes in evening and the 297 running every 10 minutes in the day time and every 12 minutes in the evening. How did both of their frequecies get cut? Are they overcrowded? Which sections are affected? In terms of the 92 the Wembley to Greenford part. In terms of the 297 the Neasden to Ealing Broadway part. |
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Post by londonbuses on Feb 25, 2024 13:12:21 GMT
South West London frequency/bus type changes:
6bph > 7.5bph - 120 163 281
5bph > 6bph - 57 81 118 157 213 267 493
4bph > 5bph - 201 258 278 440 K3 R68 SL7
3bph > 4bph - 117 203 406 411 418 423 482 H28
2bph > 3bph - 481 U7
Sunday service - K4 K5 S3
Double deckers - 33 95 152 164 190 195 290 293 350 355 371 440 490 E7 U7
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Post by vjaska on Feb 25, 2024 13:31:03 GMT
South West London frequency/bus type changes: 6bph > 7.5bph - 120 163 281 5bph > 6bph - 57 81 157 213 267 493 4bph > 5bph - 201 258 278 440 K3 R68 SL7 3bph > 4bph - 117 203 406 411 418 423 482 H28 2bph > 3bph - 481 U7 Sunday service - K4 K5 S3 Double deckers - 33 95 152 164 190 195 290 293 350 355 371 440 490 E7 U7 I’d advocate the 118 should also be increased in frequency to 6bph |
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Post by londonbuses on Feb 25, 2024 13:33:05 GMT
South West London frequency/bus type changes: 6bph > 7.5bph - 120 163 281 5bph > 6bph - 57 81 157 213 267 493 4bph > 5bph - 201 258 278 440 K3 R68 SL7 3bph > 4bph - 117 203 406 411 418 423 482 H28 2bph > 3bph - 481 U7 Sunday service - K4 K5 S3 Double deckers - 33 95 152 164 190 195 290 293 350 355 371 440 490 E7 U7 I’d advocate the 118 should also be increased in frequency to 6bph Definitely agree with that, I totally forgot the route when making the list. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Feb 25, 2024 13:35:52 GMT
South West London frequency/bus type changes: 6bph > 7.5bph - 120 163 281 5bph > 6bph - 57 81 157 213 267 493 4bph > 5bph - 201 258 278 440 K3 R68 SL7 3bph > 4bph - 117 203 406 411 418 423 482 H28 2bph > 3bph - 481 U7 Sunday service - K4 K5 S3 Double deckers - 33 95 152 164 190 195 290 293 350 355 371 440 490 E7 U7 I’d advocate the 118 should also be increased in frequency to 6bph I Still find it odd the 118 didn't increase to every 10 mins back in the boom years in 2001. |
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Post by vjaska on Feb 25, 2024 13:46:27 GMT
I’d advocate the 118 should also be increased in frequency to 6bph I Still find it odd the 118 didn't increase to every 10 mins back in the boom years in 2001. I liken it as the runt of the litter in terms of Brixton Hill routes, a sort of forgotten child if you wish. It was the only route along there with a Sunday and evening single decker allocation before the new contract in 2001 |
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Post by southlondonbus on Feb 25, 2024 14:45:36 GMT
I Still find it odd the 118 didn't increase to every 10 mins back in the boom years in 2001. I liken it as the runt of the litter in terms of Brixton Hill routes, a sort of forgotten child if you wish. It was the only route along there with a Sunday and evening single decker allocation before the new contract in 2001 Was it actually contracted for SDs on Sundays or just a necessity due to needing the Metros for Routemaster routes? |
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