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Post by MKAY315 on Dec 28, 2021 20:32:15 GMT
The 468 should have its frequency increased, and be merged with the 68. Merging the 68 & 468 would make it far too lengthy Especially with todays roads with 20mph on near enough most roads would make one want to scratch out their eyes. |
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Post by rift on Dec 28, 2021 21:03:34 GMT
The 468 should have its frequency increased, and be merged with the 68. Merging the 68 & 468 would make it far too lengthy While I agree, I do think there could be a case of extending the 68 to Norwood Junction rather than merging the 2, however it would likely involve cutting the route back from Euston to negate any length issues. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Dec 28, 2021 21:32:20 GMT
The 468 should have its frequency increased, and be merged with the 68. Merging the 68 & 468 would make it far too lengthy Plus, whilst I wouldn't be surprised if the 68 drops to every 10 mins, I reckon the overlap is still needed between N and Elephant. |
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Post by vjaska on Dec 28, 2021 22:05:04 GMT
Merging the 68 & 468 would make it far too lengthy While I agree, I do think there could be a case of extending the 68 to Norwood Junction rather than merging the 2, however it would likely involve cutting the route back from Euston to negate any length issues. The 196 already provides a link from Norwood Junction to Upper Norwood, West Norwood, Tulse Hill, Herne Hill & Elephant and is adequate enough from personal experience. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Dec 29, 2021 10:10:35 GMT
I have been looking at Sunday loadings on the London Road corridor between Brentford and Hounslow and also service levels on Sundays to West Middlesex Hospital.
As discussed previously I think the recent H22 extension is a waste of time and should be withdrawn between Twickenham Station and West Middlesex Hospital to create some savings and the 481 rerouted at Twickenham Road to run to Brentford County Court instead of entering the hospital grounds. The half hourly Sunday service on route 117 should really be increased to every 20mins given that it provides the direct link between Hounslow town centre and West Middlesex Hospital, the weekday service is consistently well loaded to the hospital.
On the London Road corridor the 237 is heavily loaded with trips to Westfield and could do with an increase in frequency from every 12mins to x10mins. The 235 and E8 are less busy and their combined frequency is probably excessive on Sundays. I would suggest reducing the 235 from x12mins to x15mins on Sundays, which would probably be adequate for the extremities of the route to North Brentford Quarter and Sunbury, the core being compensated by the increases on routes 117 and 237. That leaves the E8 which at every 10mins is very generous on Sundays between Brentford and Hounslow, but perhaps difficult to do anything about as the Brentford to Ealing Broadway section may need it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2022 13:58:13 GMT
Frequency increase on route 287 from every 15 mins to every 12 mins. PVR changed to 9.
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Post by sam97 on Jan 15, 2022 13:05:37 GMT
The 468 should have its frequency increased, and be merged with the 68. Merging the 68 & 468 would make it far too lengthy Not to mention there’s X68. Yes, it’s an express route but it’s also serves well. Plus the 468 had a frequency reduction couple years back so did the 68, several months back. So I don’t see tfl re-increase the frequency. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Apr 1, 2022 18:19:20 GMT
Is the 195 that well used over the Hanwell to Brentford extension where it parallels the E8? I can understand the desire to provide better links to Ealing Hospital from Boston Manor and Brentford but can’t imagine there is much demand for Brentford to Southall journeys. The 195 doesn’t serve the Brentford High Street stops to allow same stop interchange with the 235, 237 and 267 which also puts it at a disadvantage compared to the E8.
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Post by route53 on Apr 3, 2022 9:31:16 GMT
Now the 180 is being removed from Greenwich the 177 needs extra capacity as the bus will be completely rammed with passengers being left behind (as is always the case with both routes currently running on that corridor) it’ll be even worse soon, the 177 won’t cope on its own.
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Post by evergreenadam on Nov 9, 2022 6:04:38 GMT
As bus usage continues to grow back towards pre-pandemic levels of use, which ones are regularly experiencing overcrowding? Please limit your responses to reporting on current situation rather than what has been experienced in the past.
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Post by cl54 on Nov 9, 2022 11:40:17 GMT
Now the 180 is being removed from Greenwich the 177 needs extra capacity as the bus will be completely rammed with passengers being left behind (as is always the case with both routes currently running on that corridor) it’ll be even worse soon, the 177 won’t cope on its own. As far as I've seen the 177 is coping well. What has happened is that the Elizabeth line at Woolwich has created much greater demand than expected on all routes serving it. Last night i walked away from the station and boarded a 51 in Hare Street. The bus was loaded in excess of capacity by the time we got to Thomas Street. Somebody pushed the bell to get off in Vincent Road which gave the driver a problem as another 10 or so people wanted to board despite there being passengers standing by the front doors. Last week buses were getting full loads outside the station. A thorough review is needed. There were long queues to on the two up escalators from the platform. Demand for buses will only increase. |
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Post by greenboy on Nov 9, 2022 15:06:19 GMT
Now the 180 is being removed from Greenwich the 177 needs extra capacity as the bus will be completely rammed with passengers being left behind (as is always the case with both routes currently running on that corridor) it’ll be even worse soon, the 177 won’t cope on its own. As far as I've seen the 177 is coping well. What has happened is that the Elizabeth line at Woolwich has created much greater demand than expected on all routes serving it. Last night i walked away from the station and boarded a 51 in Hare Street. The bus was loaded in excess of capacity by the time we got to Thomas Street. Somebody pushed the bell to get off in Vincent Road which gave the driver a problem as another 10 or so people wanted to board despite there being passengers standing by the front doors. Last week buses were getting full loads outside the station. A thorough review is needed. There were long queues to on the two up escalators from the platform. Demand for buses will only increase. I agree, the concerns expressed about the 177 seem to be unfounded, it's fine from what I've seen of it and from what others have reported. I've seen 51s passing Plumstead Common pretty full and I guess a lot of people from Welling are going to Woolwich for Crossrail into Central London rather than using Southeastern, by contrast the Orpington end of the 51 is pretty quiet so I don't think a frequency increase would be justified. Maybe reroute the 53 to Welling when it's cut back to Elephant & Castle? The PD section is only really for operational convenience and driver changeovers could be done in Woolwich town centre? |
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Post by abellion on Nov 9, 2022 15:39:51 GMT
Now the 180 is being removed from Greenwich the 177 needs extra capacity as the bus will be completely rammed with passengers being left behind (as is always the case with both routes currently running on that corridor) it’ll be even worse soon, the 177 won’t cope on its own. As far as I've seen the 177 is coping well. What has happened is that the Elizabeth line at Woolwich has created much greater demand than expected on all routes serving it. Last night i walked away from the station and boarded a 51 in Hare Street. The bus was loaded in excess of capacity by the time we got to Thomas Street. Somebody pushed the bell to get off in Vincent Road which gave the driver a problem as another 10 or so people wanted to board despite there being passengers standing by the front doors. Last week buses were getting full loads outside the station. A thorough review is needed. There were long queues to on the two up escalators from the platform. Demand for buses will only increase. I’ve used the 51/89/486 trio quite a bit for the amazing BX driver + EN combination and the 51 is the only one of the three that I can never get a good downstairs seat on from Welling, mainly in the early morning. The 51 needs help for sure as the only link for pretty much it’s entire routing to and from Woolwich, with most buses between Sidcup and Woolwich being well loaded in both directions. I cant comment too much on Orpington however. |
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Post by greenboy on Nov 9, 2022 15:57:21 GMT
As far as I've seen the 177 is coping well. What has happened is that the Elizabeth line at Woolwich has created much greater demand than expected on all routes serving it. Last night i walked away from the station and boarded a 51 in Hare Street. The bus was loaded in excess of capacity by the time we got to Thomas Street. Somebody pushed the bell to get off in Vincent Road which gave the driver a problem as another 10 or so people wanted to board despite there being passengers standing by the front doors. Last week buses were getting full loads outside the station. A thorough review is needed. There were long queues to on the two up escalators from the platform. Demand for buses will only increase. I’ve used the 51/89/486 trio quite a bit for the amazing BX driver + EN combination and the 51 is the only one of the three that I can never get a good downstairs seat on from Welling, mainly in the early morning. The 51 needs help for sure as the only link for pretty much it’s entire routing to and from Woolwich, with most buses between Sidcup and Woolwich being well loaded in both directions. I cant comment too much on Orpington however. Another option for the 51 would be 8bph Woolwich to Sidcup/Foots Cray and 4bph to Orpington which is similar to how it used to operate. |
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Post by cl54 on Nov 9, 2022 19:32:40 GMT
As far as I've seen the 177 is coping well. What has happened is that the Elizabeth line at Woolwich has created much greater demand than expected on all routes serving it. Last night i walked away from the station and boarded a 51 in Hare Street. The bus was loaded in excess of capacity by the time we got to Thomas Street. Somebody pushed the bell to get off in Vincent Road which gave the driver a problem as another 10 or so people wanted to board despite there being passengers standing by the front doors. Last week buses were getting full loads outside the station. A thorough review is needed. There were long queues to on the two up escalators from the platform. Demand for buses will only increase. I agree, the concerns expressed about the 177 seem to be unfounded, it's fine from what I've seen of it and from what others have reported. I've seen 51s passing Plumstead Common pretty full and I guess a lot of people from Welling are going to Woolwich for Crossrail into Central London rather than using Southeastern, by contrast the Orpington end of the 51 is pretty quiet so I don't think a frequency increase would be justified. Maybe reroute the 53 to Welling when it's cut back to Elephant & Castle? The PD section is only really for operational convenience and driver changeovers could be done in Woolwich town centre? The stretch between Plumstead Common and Plumstead Station is well used. Woolwich changeovers block stops far too often. The part of the 51 to Welling takes ages and would destroy the 53. |
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