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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Dec 17, 2021 20:43:50 GMT
The 92 and 395 need a increase with their frequencies. The 487 could do with a conversion to double deck operation. Decking the 487 was mentioned in the Old Oak paper - I feel it may be decked on retender either with VWH's ex 295 or new electrics, especially as the existing DE's aren't eligible for a new contract. |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Dec 17, 2021 20:47:10 GMT
On match days at Twickenham, the 110 could definitely do with double decking. There is a shuttle (run generally using buses from Q and RA, either 12m SEe's or hybrid DD's) but this would provide even more assistance, alongside a cheaper fare (£1.55 compared to £3, way there only, free on return) |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Dec 17, 2021 20:50:48 GMT
I think the 110 and 391 were probably the wrong two routes to join together due to the now indirect and long nature of the 110. The 419 probably was the better choice as its shorter and more direct to Hammersmith but obviously the Bridge Troubles put that out. If it was able to take DDs then the H37 could have taken on the 337 effectively removing a route to Manor Circus and one from the bus station. In fact had the routing remained the same as the 37 then the 337 probably would have run from Hounslow to CJ anyways in 1991. The H37 works as a short frequent route and the 337 would wreck it. There's so much traffic en route and it would be unworkable. But I agree the 110 is too long, the Chiswick High Road is a nightmare. Could the routeing be swapped with the 190, this could also enable it to be decked as objections iirc are on Sandycoombe Road. |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Dec 17, 2021 20:53:48 GMT
Write your opinions on routes that need a significant change, whether that be frequency increases, route extensions and so on. Here are my opinions. The R68, R70 and 490 get ridiculously packed running along the Richmond to Twickenham corridor. Even to the point that you'll most likely be squashed at the front door in rush hour at Richmond station. Not to mention George Street and the bus station. Personally, I'd like to see a partial double deck allocation on one of these routes. The R68 could also do with a frequency increase. The 33 is a known busy route, there were a couple of unusual times recently when there were SPs full on the 33 and this wasn't during strike. One 33 on a DD had people standing by the luggage area. Personally would like to see it upgraded like the 371. The 267 desperately needs a frequency increase, it is even less likely to board the bus at rush hour than the 237. I use it everyday and even during the 'school service' fiasco I can tell you that even today, half the time the bus driver will drive past you because he can't let you on. What do you think? I agree with the R68 but there are some stand constraints at KRP. Could the H22 return to it's original LoR, the 33 decked, the R68 upped 1bph and the 267 up 2bph? |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Dec 17, 2021 20:56:09 GMT
Where are you trying to board the 267 and in which direction? The 490, R68, R70 situation is of course the result of withdrawing route H22 between Twickenham and Richmond and diverting it to West Middlesex Hospital. TfL assured everyone that there would be sufficient capacity available on the remaining routes. It doesn’t help that the frequent 33 does not serve Richmond Station. Incidentally I have had cause to use the 110 and 481 in the Whitton area recently. The 110 is building up a decent base of patronage on the new direct Whitton to Richmond section with evidence of local journeys within Whitton, longer journeys to Richmond and even the new stops on the A316 being used. The 481 seems to have a loyal following in Whitton, particularly on the Hospital Bridge Road section where it runs alone. Quite surprising for a route that only runs every 30 minutes. The Whitton to Isleworth link is useful but would be much better patronised if it ran through to Brentford County Court, opening up interchange with other bus routes on London Road and a direct service to schools and Morrison’s. Brentford to Twickenham and back. Brentford is usually the busiest section going towards fulwell, and isleworth tends to be the busiest section towards hammermsith. Half the time I do not even get allowed on the bus as there isn't sufficient space. The R68 is definitely a route that has always been really busy but tfl seems to ignore it, same with routes like the 281. Could the r68 take double deckers or is there a restriction in Kew or something? But to be honest, there wasn't sufficient capacity even before the H22 had been withdrawn from Manor Circus to Heath Road. But now it is even worse to the point that something needs to be done. The 481 being extended to Brentford county court would be a fantastic extension, would help relieve stress on the 267. Similar to how the E1 is going to relieve stress on the 65 once it's extended to Gillette Corner. The H22 perhaps could have been extended to Brentford instead. I do think that the 391 really could have been extended elsewhere rather than withdrawing the route, such as to Central Middlesex hospital or Kingston. What do you think? There's no restriction in Kew, maybe there are just resident objections? I agree with you on the 481, maybe with an increase to 3bph? I don't know whether the E1 extension is going ahead, no news on it from TfL. |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Dec 17, 2021 20:59:26 GMT
Where are you trying to board the 267 and in which direction? The 490, R68, R70 situation is of course the result of withdrawing route H22 between Twickenham and Richmond and diverting it to West Middlesex Hospital. TfL assured everyone that there would be sufficient capacity available on the remaining routes. It doesn’t help that the frequent 33 does not serve Richmond Station. Incidentally I have had cause to use the 110 and 481 in the Whitton area recently. The 110 is building up a decent base of patronage on the new direct Whitton to Richmond section with evidence of local journeys within Whitton, longer journeys to Richmond and even the new stops on the A316 being used. The 481 seems to have a loyal following in Whitton, particularly on the Hospital Bridge Road section where it runs alone. Quite surprising for a route that only runs every 30 minutes. The Whitton to Isleworth link is useful but would be much better patronised if it ran through to Brentford County Court, opening up interchange with other bus routes on London Road and a direct service to schools and Morrison’s. I've been on a few 110s and its usage seems average even between the Richmond to Whitton area where the loads are over half full. Personally, I have no problem with the route, it's even smart at some places but I just think it's just too long and feels like 2 routes joined together to make one extremely long route. I think it would be much more efficient if the route was split in half with the Hammersmith to Richmond sector being the "391" and the Richmond to Hounslow sector being the "110". That way, the route would be less prone to delays. Agree but I think stand constraints in Richmond would put a stop to your plans. If you see my Withdrawn/new routes ideas proposals with the 378/419/485/493 with new route 437 that could maybe create enough stand space, also using the old H22 stand. But still stand space is extremely tight in Richmond. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Dec 17, 2021 22:38:07 GMT
The 92 and 395 need a increase with their frequencies. The 487 could do with a conversion to double deck operation. Decking the 487 was mentioned in the Old Oak paper - I feel it may be decked on retender either with VWH's ex 295 or new electrics, especially as the existing DE's aren't eligible for a new contract. I imagine this time around it'll probably have some sort of bus either diverted or bought for the 487 and then plot twist, it goes back to using 58 reg DEs  |
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Post by COBO on Dec 17, 2021 22:46:49 GMT
Oh and the H17 need to be be converted to double deck operation.
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Post by paulo on Dec 18, 2021 0:23:06 GMT
Write your opinions on routes that need a significant change, whether that be frequency increases, route extensions and so on. Here are my opinions. The R68, R70 and 490 get ridiculously packed running along the Richmond to Twickenham corridor. Even to the point that you'll most likely be squashed at the front door in rush hour at Richmond station. Not to mention George Street and the bus station. Personally, I'd like to see a partial double deck allocation on one of these routes. The R68 could also do with a frequency increase. The 33 is a known busy route, there were a couple of unusual times recently when there were SPs full on the 33 and this wasn't during strike. One 33 on a DD had people standing by the luggage area. Personally would like to see it upgraded like the 371. The 267 desperately needs a frequency increase, it is even less likely to board the bus at rush hour than the 237. I use it everyday and even during the 'school service' fiasco I can tell you that even today, half the time the bus driver will drive past you because he can't let you on. What do you think? I agree with the R68 but there are some stand constraints at KRP. Could the H22 return to it's original LoR, the 33 decked, the R68 upped 1bph and the 267 up 2bph? I believe there have been some discussions about the 33 being converted to DD using the ex 111 SPs that are currently covering the 65. It would see the DEs depart instead. Not sure what the outcome was though or whether a decision has in fact been made. The challenge may well be that the 33 is up for tender soon and there is no money in the tfl coffers for maintaining DDs at contract renewal |
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Post by rugbyref on Dec 19, 2021 9:17:49 GMT
On match days at Twickenham, the 110 could definitely do with double decking. There is a shuttle (run generally using buses from Q and RA, either 12m SEe's or hybrid DD's) but this would provide even more assistance, alongside a cheaper fare (£1.55 compared to £3, way there only, free on return) I chose the 110 as it was a route not previously ridden, and it was heaving. Possibly because the shuttle started from A316, whereas the 110 was nearer the pubs frequented? |
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Post by ian on Dec 20, 2021 5:11:21 GMT
I really hope they can do something to sort out the peak hours capacity issues on 251 - the seemingly unsolvable problem of overhanging trees clashing with the need for DDs etc Could it take 12m buses on retender? Hmm, good question. I can't think of any glaring obvious reason why not in turns of turns or bends, though obviously the whole Lawrence St to Totteridge station section is essentially a country lane so there may be some challenges. |
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Post by LondonExplorer316 on Dec 20, 2021 15:52:33 GMT
Write your opinions on routes that need a significant change, whether that be frequency increases, route extensions and so on. Here are my opinions. The R68, R70 and 490 get ridiculously packed running along the Richmond to Twickenham corridor. Even to the point that you'll most likely be squashed at the front door in rush hour at Richmond station. Not to mention George Street and the bus station. Personally, I'd like to see a partial double deck allocation on one of these routes. The R68 could also do with a frequency increase. The 33 is a known busy route, there were a couple of unusual times recently when there were SPs full on the 33 and this wasn't during strike. One 33 on a DD had people standing by the luggage area. Personally would like to see it upgraded like the 371. The 267 desperately needs a frequency increase, it is even less likely to board the bus at rush hour than the 237. I use it everyday and even during the 'school service' fiasco I can tell you that even today, half the time the bus driver will drive past you because he can't let you on. What do you think? Most likely route to be DD would be the 490 which I guess could use E40Hs currently serving the 63 if they are not all needed back at QB. One problem: 490 can't take them apparently due to the Pools on the Park bit bearing in mind that every DD 490 has only run to the Station |
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Post by evergreenadam on Dec 22, 2021 15:00:52 GMT
There is a shuttle (run generally using buses from Q and RA, either 12m SEe's or hybrid DD's) but this would provide even more assistance, alongside a cheaper fare (£1.55 compared to £3, way there only, free on return) I chose the 110 as it was a route not previously ridden, and it was heaving. Possibly because the shuttle started from A316, whereas the 110 was nearer the pubs frequented? Or there had been a long gap in service which is not uncommon on rugby match days. |
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Post by intro on Dec 28, 2021 2:15:55 GMT
The 468 should have its frequency increased, and be merged with the 68.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 28, 2021 13:35:35 GMT
The 468 should have its frequency increased, and be merged with the 68. Merging the 68 & 468 would make it far too lengthy |
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