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Post by ronnie on Dec 5, 2021 14:42:30 GMT
Closing the H&C Line i can agree with but the Circle Line too? No way. What I think they'll do is: Cut the Bakerloo north of Stone bridge Park Withdraw the H&C line and use the extra trains for the District and the Circle. (The H&C line is shut most weekends anyway) Reduce the Jubilee Lines frequency even more Withdraw the Woodford- Hainault shuttle Reducing the Jubilee overall? Really?
Maybe north of Wembley Park or West Hampstead but certainly not the eastern section...surely?
I think a lot of the Jubilee or Bakerloo line closing because of lack of funding is purely a PR stunt to receive funding from the government in the form of another bailout. Same with the 100 bus routes potentially being withdrawn. They couldn't even withdraw the 19/N271 because of how strongly opposed local government was of the changes, surely they wouldn't go as far as to withdraw 100?
Agree. The jubilee serves areas which are relatively poor in terms of tube connectivity already. Why reduce it further? I use jubilee every day now (well Monday to Thursday) and at times there are annoying 6-8 min gaps off peak resulting in the first train getting rammed. Frequencies have already been hacked back quite a bit on buses in this part Why not the central for example between Ealing Broadway and North Acton for example considering you will have tfl rail already at E Broadway
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Post by LondonNorthern on Dec 5, 2021 14:55:29 GMT
Reducing the Jubilee overall? Really?
Maybe north of Wembley Park or West Hampstead but certainly not the eastern section...surely?
I think a lot of the Jubilee or Bakerloo line closing because of lack of funding is purely a PR stunt to receive funding from the government in the form of another bailout. Same with the 100 bus routes potentially being withdrawn. They couldn't even withdraw the 19/N271 because of how strongly opposed local government was of the changes, surely they wouldn't go as far as to withdraw 100?
Agree. The jubilee serves areas which are relatively poor in terms of tube connectivity already. Why reduce it further? I use jubilee every day now (well Monday to Thursday) and at times there are annoying 6-8 min gaps off peak resulting in the first train getting rammed. Frequencies have already been hacked back quite a bit on buses in this part Why not the central for example between Ealing Broadway and North Acton for example considering you will have tfl rail already at E Broadway I think we should try and let Central London recover, and as much as it'll pee some people off I do think we should be looking at outer sections of the tube for reductions before ferociously killing the inner sections of the tube as plenty of them have massive interchanges from bus to train such as Finsbury Park/Manor House on the Picadilly.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 5, 2021 15:12:26 GMT
Agree. The jubilee serves areas which are relatively poor in terms of tube connectivity already. Why reduce it further? I use jubilee every day now (well Monday to Thursday) and at times there are annoying 6-8 min gaps off peak resulting in the first train getting rammed. Frequencies have already been hacked back quite a bit on buses in this part Why not the central for example between Ealing Broadway and North Acton for example considering you will have tfl rail already at E Broadway I think we should try and let Central London recover, and as much as it'll pee some people off I do think we should be looking at outer sections of the tube for reductions before ferociously killing the inner sections of the tube as plenty of them have massive interchanges from bus to train such as Finsbury Park/Manor House on the Picadilly. If you begin looking at outer sections, your are risking the wrath of people who only need to go find comments made by Khan and throw them right back at him. The only sensible way to do it is to take overlapping tube sections where any change is almost non existent (no Piccadilly where the Metropolitan exists, no Bakerloo where the Overground exists, no Circle where multiple different lines exist, etc) Removing stuff like the Hainault loop is going to run the risk of making Essex and other counties effectively cease to trust London & TfL in the future
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Post by greenboy on Dec 5, 2021 15:35:19 GMT
Agree. The jubilee serves areas which are relatively poor in terms of tube connectivity already. Why reduce it further? I use jubilee every day now (well Monday to Thursday) and at times there are annoying 6-8 min gaps off peak resulting in the first train getting rammed. Frequencies have already been hacked back quite a bit on buses in this part Why not the central for example between Ealing Broadway and North Acton for example considering you will have tfl rail already at E Broadway I think we should try and let Central London recover, and as much as it'll pee some people off I do think we should be looking at outer sections of the tube for reductions before ferociously killing the inner sections of the tube as plenty of them have massive interchanges from bus to train such as Finsbury Park/Manor House on the Picadilly. I think it's going to be quite a while before Central London fully recovers, tourism returns etc, and I really don't think closing the Bakerloo south of Paddington and the W&C is going to cause that much hardship.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Dec 5, 2021 15:35:57 GMT
I think we should try and let Central London recover, and as much as it'll pee some people off I do think we should be looking at outer sections of the tube for reductions before ferociously killing the inner sections of the tube as plenty of them have massive interchanges from bus to train such as Finsbury Park/Manor House on the Picadilly. I think it's going to be quite a while before Central London fully recovers, tourism returns etc, and I really don't think closing the Bakerloo south of Paddington and the W&C is going to cause that much hardship. Fair enough
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Post by M1104 on Dec 5, 2021 15:55:57 GMT
Controversial time. If you were TfL and you had to close or two or even a branch to save money which one would it be. Some individual tube stations could also be targeted but in conjunction with alterations to local bus services. One example could be the closure of South Wimbledon Station with the 219¹ rerouted from there to terminate at Morden. ¹ - converted to DDs
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Post by Green Kitten on Dec 5, 2021 15:59:55 GMT
Controversial time. If you were TfL and you had to close or two or even a branch to save money which one would it be. I would close the following: Bakerloo Circle Hammersmith & City Bakerloo between Elephant & Castle and Paddington would seem the obvious one to 'mothball' along with the W&C Line. You might as well close the whole thing (Queen’s Park to Harrow & Wealdstone belongs to Network Rail). Maida Vale and Warwick Avenue are in very well off areas and Kilburn High Road is down the road from Kilburn Park.
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Post by greenboy on Dec 5, 2021 16:06:52 GMT
Bakerloo between Elephant & Castle and Paddington would seem the obvious one to 'mothball' along with the W&C Line. You might as well close the whole thing (Queen’s Park to Harrow & Wealdstone belongs to Network Rail). Maida Vale and Warwick Avenue are in very well off areas and Kilburn High Road is down the road from Kilburn Park. Yes possibly although I did wonder if the LO service to and from Euston would be able to cope on its own.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Dec 5, 2021 16:09:59 GMT
You might as well close the whole thing (Queen’s Park to Harrow & Wealdstone belongs to Network Rail). Maida Vale and Warwick Avenue are in very well off areas and Kilburn High Road is down the road from Kilburn Park. Yes possibly although I did wonder if the LO service to and from Euston would be able to cope on its own. I doubt the battering of the 18s frequency also helped.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2021 16:41:35 GMT
Reducing the Jubilee overall? Really?
Maybe north of Wembley Park or West Hampstead but certainly not the eastern section...surely?
I think a lot of the Jubilee or Bakerloo line closing because of lack of funding is purely a PR stunt to receive funding from the government in the form of another bailout. Same with the 100 bus routes potentially being withdrawn. They couldn't even withdraw the 19/N271 because of how strongly opposed local government was of the changes, surely they wouldn't go as far as to withdraw 100?
Agree. The jubilee serves areas which are relatively poor in terms of tube connectivity already. Why reduce it further? I use jubilee every day now (well Monday to Thursday) and at times there are annoying 6-8 min gaps off peak resulting in the first train getting rammed. Frequencies have already been hacked back quite a bit on buses in this part Why not the central for example between Ealing Broadway and North Acton for example considering you will have tfl rail already at E Broadway What about West Acton residents? The central line imo shouldn't be touched west of White City
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2021 16:44:23 GMT
W&C Bakerloo north of Stonebridge Park, south of Paddington H&C or partial reduction Piccadilly west of Rayners Lane Chesham branch of Met line could be at risk but I wouldn't cut it, also Met line runs alongside the Chiltern Railway stopping at every station from Rickmansworth to Amersham, that could be at risk too?
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Post by ronnie on Dec 5, 2021 17:07:05 GMT
Agree. The jubilee serves areas which are relatively poor in terms of tube connectivity already. Why reduce it further? I use jubilee every day now (well Monday to Thursday) and at times there are annoying 6-8 min gaps off peak resulting in the first train getting rammed. Frequencies have already been hacked back quite a bit on buses in this part Why not the central for example between Ealing Broadway and North Acton for example considering you will have tfl rail already at E Broadway What about West Acton residents? The central line imo shouldn't be touched west of White City Precisely, that’s my point. If the residents of E / SE London can cope with no jubilee then am sure residents of West Acton won’t be too inconvenienced for the minor trek to N Acton, no?
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Post by vjaska on Dec 5, 2021 17:11:19 GMT
You might as well close the whole thing (Queen’s Park to Harrow & Wealdstone belongs to Network Rail). Maida Vale and Warwick Avenue are in very well off areas and Kilburn High Road is down the road from Kilburn Park. Yes possibly although I did wonder if the LO service to and from Euston would be able to cope on its own. Well if buses are forced to cope, I don't see why an Overground service should get preferential treatment
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Post by greenboy on Dec 5, 2021 17:20:44 GMT
Yes possibly although I did wonder if the LO service to and from Euston would be able to cope on its own. I doubt the battering of the 18s frequency also helped. Yes the 18 was a strange one, out of all the routes that could have been cut...........
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2021 17:25:13 GMT
What about West Acton residents? The central line imo shouldn't be touched west of White City Precisely, that’s my point. If the residents of E / SE London can cope with no jubilee then am sure residents of West Acton won’t be too inconvenienced for the minor trek to N Acton, no? It's still a 20 minute walk to North Acton though, and whilst I think most residents should be able to cope, the elderly may struggle. I don't think the Jubilee line should be cut though, it still has purpose, especially east of London Bridge
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