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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Jan 28, 2022 13:13:59 GMT
Stop accusing me of that. I’m fed up you accusing me of that. I’m not for crying out loud not posting to boost my post count I don’t give a d*mn about my post count. Okay 👍 Now stop making that hurtful accusation it’s a genuine comment I am not making comments to boost my post now stop making these hurtful accusation. Don’t you ever make that hurtful accusation ever again 😡 Is it that hurtful of an accusation thou. I don’t think it is, ultimately on this forum sometimes silly things are just suggested. I second that. Take things in the spirit they are intended and, from where I am sitting, it hasn't been with malicious intent. It's just gentle teasing but I would recommend to the person who made that comment, leave it for a bit as it obviously cuts deeper than you intended.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 28, 2022 14:10:07 GMT
Exactly, the reason the shuttle exists is because of the refurbishment of trains which the video does mention. The 3 stations are top of least used but have you taken into account the people who use that section of track as well as why they might not be as busy as other parts of the Underground such as the catchment of the surrounding areas I did think about the people who use that section of track I think that part of the line could be shut and be replaced by a bus route. Why is that section not as busy as the other parts of Underhanded? What LondonNorthern said, the areas are as densely populated compared to other parts - look at the top 10 least used Underground Stations and you'll notice a trend with almost all 10 (North Ealing is a big outlier) - they're located towards the outer end of the Underground with the Central having 4 in the top 5 if you also include Theydon Bois. The only way to save money through line closures should it be necessary and without disproportionately effecting people is to close parallel lines. Closing a section that has no alternative transport link will drive people to other means and given the low usage, would you really actually save enough money. On the railways, many least used stations, all of which usually handle far less passengers than Grange Hill, Chigwell or Roding Valley, are left open because it becomes more expensive to simply shut them.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jan 28, 2022 15:41:36 GMT
I did think about the people who use that section of track I think that part of the line could be shut and be replaced by a bus route. Why is that section not as busy as the other parts of Underhanded? What LondonNorthern said, the areas are as densely populated compared to other parts - look at the top 10 least used Underground Stations and you'll notice a trend with almost all 10 (North Ealing is a big outlier) - they're located towards the outer end of the Underground with the Central having 4 in the top 5 if you also include Theydon Bois. The only way to save money through line closures should it be necessary and without disproportionately effecting people is to close parallel lines. Closing a section that has no alternative transport link will drive people to other means and given the low usage, would you really actually save enough money. On the railways, many least used stations, all of which usually handle far less passengers than Grange Hill, Chigwell or Roding Valley, are left open because it becomes more expensive to simply shut them. Stations like North Ealing are also pretty good for those driving in from say Buckinghamshire down the A40 as you can easily park in North Ealing & catch a Picadilly Line into town. However it’s not too surprising it’s not used a lot because Ealing Broadway offers far more alternatives as well as W Acton not being too far down the road. I imagine stations like North Ealing have pretty niche markets but ones that it seemingly upholds to. Just like how plenty of people drive into Epping, park & head into town. Perhaps looking at the Woodford to Hainault section off peak might be a slightly better idea to trim the fat because in all honesty from what I’ve seen it carries oxygen, however as you’ve mentioned given the state of bus services in inner Essex/Harlow & how many of them have disappeared since ~2012 the tube is really the only option in some cases. I imagine if the line was closed altogether including during the peaks it would only move people to their cars, which in the case of Chigwell they already own.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 28, 2022 16:04:29 GMT
What LondonNorthern said, the areas are as densely populated compared to other parts - look at the top 10 least used Underground Stations and you'll notice a trend with almost all 10 (North Ealing is a big outlier) - they're located towards the outer end of the Underground with the Central having 4 in the top 5 if you also include Theydon Bois. The only way to save money through line closures should it be necessary and without disproportionately effecting people is to close parallel lines. Closing a section that has no alternative transport link will drive people to other means and given the low usage, would you really actually save enough money. On the railways, many least used stations, all of which usually handle far less passengers than Grange Hill, Chigwell or Roding Valley, are left open because it becomes more expensive to simply shut them. Stations like North Ealing are also pretty good for those driving in from say Buckinghamshire down the A40 as you can easily park in North Ealing & catch a Picadilly Line into town. However it’s not too surprising it’s not used a lot because Ealing Broadway offers far more alternatives as well as W Acton not being too far down the road. I imagine stations like North Ealing have pretty niche markets but ones that it seemingly upholds to. Just like how plenty of people drive into Epping, park & head into town. Perhaps looking at the Woodford to Hainault section off peak might be a slightly better idea to trim the fat because in all honesty from what I’ve seen it carries oxygen, however as you’ve mentioned given the state of bus services in inner Essex/Harlow & how many of them have disappeared since ~2012 the tube is really the only option in some cases. I imagine if the line was closed altogether including during the peaks it would only move people to their cars, which in the case of Chigwell they already own. The frequency on the shuttle is around 20 minutes currently so if you trim further, your simply going to cause further patronage loss with little gain.
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Post by WH241 on Jan 28, 2022 17:40:35 GMT
What LondonNorthern said, the areas are as densely populated compared to other parts - look at the top 10 least used Underground Stations and you'll notice a trend with almost all 10 (North Ealing is a big outlier) - they're located towards the outer end of the Underground with the Central having 4 in the top 5 if you also include Theydon Bois. The only way to save money through line closures should it be necessary and without disproportionately effecting people is to close parallel lines. Closing a section that has no alternative transport link will drive people to other means and given the low usage, would you really actually save enough money. On the railways, many least used stations, all of which usually handle far less passengers than Grange Hill, Chigwell or Roding Valley, are left open because it becomes more expensive to simply shut them. Stations like North Ealing are also pretty good for those driving in from say Buckinghamshire down the A40 as you can easily park in North Ealing & catch a Picadilly Line into town. However it’s not too surprising it’s not used a lot because Ealing Broadway offers far more alternatives as well as W Acton not being too far down the road. I imagine stations like North Ealing have pretty niche markets but ones that it seemingly upholds to. Just like how plenty of people drive into Epping, park & head into town. Perhaps looking at the Woodford to Hainault section off peak might be a slightly better idea to trim the fat because in all honesty from what I’ve seen it carries oxygen, however as you’ve mentioned given the state of bus services in inner Essex/Harlow & how many of them have disappeared since ~2012 the tube is really the only option in some cases. I imagine if the line was closed altogether including during the peaks it would only move people to their cars, which in the case of Chigwell they already own. I assume most passengers on the loop travel into central London so in this case might not have the choice of using a car but could end up driving to other stations but think parking is pretty limited.
Would closing the line have any impact on access to Hainualt depot? do trains enter from both directions?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jan 28, 2022 17:58:49 GMT
Would closing the line have any impact on access to Hainualt depot? do trains enter from both directions? Trains can enter/leave service from Grange Hill.
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