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Post by WH241 on Dec 31, 2021 21:05:01 GMT
Would that be legal? Tower Transit would arguably be operating as one huge company from their end while Stagecoach and RATP have mini divisions. It could be a conflict of interest when routes like the 30 and 205 come up where both operators could probably feasibly bid from both X and LI. However on that note Tower Transit did mention they'd hope for a similar deal for LI to be announced the same time the X one is finalised. This does back up your Stagecoach theory, but could also be with Go Ahead or Arriva as other major operators in the area. But the question is would operators like Go Ahead want to be part of a partnership where they don't own 100%? Although going back to the NatEx/Stagecoach merger it does bring up more for LI. If NatEx have leased a portion of LI direct from the leaseholder then it will give National Express control of that portion for Stagecoach's services too. Maybe we could see a case where Stagecoach actively start using LI themselves should that happen. Mention Stagecoach for a couple reasons. Two, their market share has declined in the last ten years as cheaper rivals have arrived in East London. They also have a general over supply of garage space when you include WH, and the potential for relocation/redevelopment of Leyton garage which I believe is freehold. Similar has been the case for RATP and Tower in West London, although they've chosen to just mothball a garage rather than redevelop WH has been downsized recently so don’t think that could take on all the current routes at LI. T might have some space but not sure? |
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Post by MKAY315 on Dec 31, 2021 21:26:42 GMT
Oh yes another thing to add. The 155 bus route tender being announced and the Sutton garage bus routes up for tender. I'm going to say the 155 will be retained but it may go electric and thus sending it's WHVs to Sutton.
A plot twist for the 432 is that it could perhaps get the frogfaces from the 259 should it's LT conversion go ahead
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Post by TB123 on Dec 31, 2021 21:28:06 GMT
Oh yes another thing to add. The 155 bus route tender being announced and the Sutton garage bus routes up for tender. I'm going to say the 155 will be retained but it may go electric and thus sending it's WHVs to Sutton. A plot twist for the 432 is that it could perhaps get the frogfaces from the 259 should it's LT conversion go ahead It's already been confirmed the HVs from the 259 are off to the 221, sorry to pour water on that! |
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Post by MKAY315 on Dec 31, 2021 21:29:35 GMT
Oh yes another thing to add. The 155 bus route tender being announced and the Sutton garage bus routes up for tender. I'm going to say the 155 will be retained but it may go electric and thus sending it's WHVs to Sutton. A plot twist for the 432 is that it could perhaps get the frogfaces from the 259 should it's LT conversion go ahead It's already been confirmed the HVs from the 259 are off to the 221, sorry to pour water on that! *sighs* I tried 😔😂. The 47 I think is another route that may go electric and then it's hybrids may go onto the 199. |
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Post by TB123 on Dec 31, 2021 21:33:12 GMT
It's already been confirmed the HVs from the 259 are off to the 221, sorry to pour water on that! *sighs* I tried 😔😂. The 47 I think is another route that may go electric and then it's hybrids may go onto the 199. It'd surely just make more sense for the 47 to keep it's buses and the 199 to then get new buses? Doesn't appear to be the same priority of putting new buses on zone1 routes nowadays |
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Post by WH241 on Dec 31, 2021 21:34:18 GMT
Not buses but do predict a big return to the office in 2022 and home working becomes less popular as people grow frustrated with the lack of contact and video calls.
Also think we could have a massive boom in tourism over the summer as long as the pandemic is under control.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Dec 31, 2021 23:01:41 GMT
Now into the last hour of 2021...
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Post by DT 11 on Dec 31, 2021 23:03:09 GMT
*sighs* I tried 😔😂. The 47 I think is another route that may go electric and then it's hybrids may go onto the 199. It'd surely just make more sense for the 47 to keep it's buses and the 199 to then get new buses? Doesn't appear to be the same priority of putting new buses on zone1 routes nowadays The 47 however finishes at the garage. Very easy for Pantograph technology if needed also the 199 and also the 53 at Plumstead overall these routes have high mileage. |
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Post by MKAY315 on Dec 31, 2021 23:03:12 GMT
*sighs* I tried 😔😂. The 47 I think is another route that may go electric and then it's hybrids may go onto the 199. It'd surely just make more sense for the 47 to keep it's buses and the 199 to then get new buses? Doesn't appear to be the same priority of putting new buses on zone1 routes nowadays Stranger things have happened. You never know. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Dec 31, 2021 23:31:07 GMT
Last 30 minutes
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Post by LondonNorthern on Dec 31, 2021 23:52:17 GMT
Less than 10 minutes until 2022. Hopefully we'll see fireworks in less than 10 minutes
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jan 1, 2022 0:04:48 GMT
HAPPY NEW YEAR!
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Post by vjaska on Jan 1, 2022 0:45:56 GMT
It'd surely just make more sense for the 47 to keep it's buses and the 199 to then get new buses? Doesn't appear to be the same priority of putting new buses on zone1 routes nowadays Stranger things have happened. You never know. The current trend shows very few Central London routes going electric due to the vast majority already having compliant routes. Almost all the ones that converted had some sort of mitigating circumstance bar the 23 & 94 mainly due to the ULEZ introduction & operator changes. The electric conversion is geared more towards Outer London |
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Post by TB123 on Jan 1, 2022 0:48:35 GMT
Stranger things have happened. You never know. The current trend shows very few Central London routes going electric due to the vast majority already having compliant routes. Almost all the ones that converted had some sort of mitigating circumstance bar the 23 & 94 mainly due to the ULEZ introduction & operator changes. The electric conversion is geared more towards Outer London Suspect the 23 and 94 would have probably gotten new buses electric or not. But the presence of charging points already at S and for the C3 at X probably tipped the balance. Common sense. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jan 1, 2022 1:00:04 GMT
Not buses but do predict a big return to the office in 2022 and home working becomes less popular as people grow frustrated with the lack of contact and video calls. Also think we could have a massive boom in tourism over the summer as long as the pandemic is under control. Hopefully we see the high street somewhat recover, albeit in a bit of a different fashion with perhaps some large brands but there also being more local shops & more experiences. I think that would solve the high street problem combined with lower parking fees. Must ask especially to those who live on the fringes of London as ultimately some of these "towns" such as Kingston, Sutton, Enfield etc (as they seem to look like what a stereotypical UK town centre would look like) would some of these towns in some way benefit from a scheme such as Park & Ride to perhaps tackle congestion? |
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