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Post by wirewiper on Jun 14, 2022 17:29:22 GMT
I think the Night Tube could of stayed withdrawn after covid tbh , none of the tube driver's wanted changes to current rotas and it must cost a lot of money every weekend for a few Night owls surely better to have an enhanced Night bus network instead and totally agree about trying to bring in revenue i.e advertising bus routes locally have express routes maybe with higher fares that connect to towns outside London maybe cheaper alternatives lots of ways to generate revenue with a huge machine like tfl . There is a question about if night services are needed at all, many country towns don’t have them and people manage without them. A lot of the night tube usage wasn’t additional journeys, it just moved the time some people travelled. But if going to have night journeys then the biggest mistake was not making midnight the cut off for daily journeys, anyone who chooses to return early hours of following day and should have been part of next days ticket and fare cap. Would have helped cover the extra cost Even some commercial operators have a cut-off well after midnight - on Reading Buses' five 24-hour routes, day tickets can be until 04.00 the following morning. Even the cheaper evening tickets issued after 18.00 are valid until then.
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Post by WH241 on Jun 14, 2022 17:33:01 GMT
Probably cause more upset with this post but in these times of cuts I really don't see the value on these weekend bus services and the night tube itself! I didn't realise until recently just how infrequent trains ran on the night service. The whole point of the services is to link people up with the night tube itself. At what point do we stop cutting and actually try to generate demand which in turn brings in revenue Routes like the N145 carried hardly any passengers and probably didn’t even cover costs! Weekend Night buses are a nice luxury but not going to bring in money.
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Post by WH241 on Jun 14, 2022 17:36:53 GMT
The whole point of the services is to link people up with the night tube itself. At what point do we stop cutting and actually try to generate demand which in turn brings in revenue I think the Night Tube could of stayed withdrawn after covid tbh , none of the tube driver's wanted changes to current rotas and it must cost a lot of money every weekend for a few Night owls surely better to have an enhanced Night bus network instead and totally agree about trying to bring in revenue i.e advertising bus routes locally have express routes maybe with higher fares that connect to towns outside London maybe cheaper alternatives lots of ways to generate revenue with a huge machine like tfl . Higher fares? I see enough complaints here about the ridiculous cheap bus fares let alone premium fares. I think I suggested something about charging more on N routes before and that went down like a lead balloon. The fares freeze was the worse thing it has made people far too sensitive to price increases. I wonder what fares would be now it reality if they had continued rising.
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Post by enviroPB on Jun 14, 2022 18:02:02 GMT
The 114, 123 and 307 to name a few were interesting new orbital night links, connecting areas in outer London that had previously been far from possible in the existing night network. The 123 especially I'd expect to have had lots of passengers that weren't even using the night tube but were simply using the bus from Wood Green/Tottenham to Walthamstow/Ilford. Worrying that we are now seeing the weekend night network under threat Trouble is, the 123, should have been made to divert at Bell Corner, via Hoe St, Walthamstow Central, Selborne Rd, Blackhorse Rd back to line of route and as N123 At the start of Night Tube, Bell Corner to the Central had 10bph at night in the form of N26, 34N and N73. There wasn't a great need for the 123 to divert. If anything, the N73 should have been sent via Blackhorse Road.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 14, 2022 19:20:41 GMT
I think the Night Tube could of stayed withdrawn after covid tbh , none of the tube driver's wanted changes to current rotas and it must cost a lot of money every weekend for a few Night owls surely better to have an enhanced Night bus network instead and totally agree about trying to bring in revenue i.e advertising bus routes locally have express routes maybe with higher fares that connect to towns outside London maybe cheaper alternatives lots of ways to generate revenue with a huge machine like tfl . Higher fares? I see enough complaints here about the ridiculous cheap bus fares let alone premium fares. I think I suggested something about charging more on N routes before and that went down like a lead balloon. The fares freeze was the worse thing it has made people far too sensitive to price increases. I wonder what fares would be now it reality if they had continued rising. The bus fare probably would have gone up by 5p so would be about £1.70 or £1.75 now.
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Post by WH241 on Jun 14, 2022 19:25:00 GMT
Higher fares? I see enough complaints here about the ridiculous cheap bus fares let alone premium fares. I think I suggested something about charging more on N routes before and that went down like a lead balloon. The fares freeze was the worse thing it has made people far too sensitive to price increases. I wonder what fares would be now it reality if they had continued rising. The bus fare probably would have gone up by 5p so would be about £1.70 or £1.75 now. 5p in 5 years? doubt it to be honest... must be more than that.
Found the below to show how fares have been slow to increase
2004: 70p 2005: £1 2006: £1 2007: £1 2008: 90p 2009: £1 2010: £1.20 2011: £1.30 2012 (original): £1.40 2012 (revised): £1.35 2013: £1.40 2014: £1.45 2015: £1.50 2016: £1.50
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Post by ronnie on Jun 14, 2022 22:30:00 GMT
The bus fare probably would have gone up by 5p so would be about £1.70 or £1.75 now. 5p in 5 years? doubt it to be honest... must be more than that.
Found the below to show how fares have been slow to increase
2004: 70p 2005: £1 2006: £1 2007: £1 2008: 90p 2009: £1 2010: £1.20 2011: £1.30 2012 (original): £1.40 2012 (revised): £1.35 2013: £1.40 2014: £1.45 2015: £1.50 2016: £1.50
Think would have been £1.90 by now
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Post by vjaska on Jun 14, 2022 22:40:07 GMT
The whole point of the services is to link people up with the night tube itself. At what point do we stop cutting and actually try to generate demand which in turn brings in revenue Routes like the N145 carried hardly any passengers and probably didn’t even cover costs! Weekend Night buses are a nice luxury but not going to bring in money. I wasn't talking about the N145, I was talking about them in general and as others mentioned, some routes actually carried good loadings.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 14, 2022 22:42:28 GMT
I think the Night Tube could of stayed withdrawn after covid tbh , none of the tube driver's wanted changes to current rotas and it must cost a lot of money every weekend for a few Night owls surely better to have an enhanced Night bus network instead and totally agree about trying to bring in revenue i.e advertising bus routes locally have express routes maybe with higher fares that connect to towns outside London maybe cheaper alternatives lots of ways to generate revenue with a huge machine like tfl . There is a question about if night services are needed at all, many country towns don’t have them and people manage without them. Are you suggesting London should have no night tube services or no night bus services? If it's the latter, could you explain how you come to such a shocking conclusion?
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 14, 2022 23:33:09 GMT
I think the Night Tube could of stayed withdrawn after covid tbh , none of the tube driver's wanted changes to current rotas and it must cost a lot of money every weekend for a few Night owls surely better to have an enhanced Night bus network instead and totally agree about trying to bring in revenue i.e advertising bus routes locally have express routes maybe with higher fares that connect to towns outside London maybe cheaper alternatives lots of ways to generate revenue with a huge machine like tfl . Higher fares? I see enough complaints here about the ridiculous cheap bus fares let alone premium fares. I think I suggested something about charging more on N routes before and that went down like a lead balloon.
The fares freeze was the worse thing it has made people far too sensitive to price increases. I wonder what fares would be now it reality if they had continued rising. Sorry I could not resist I remember when night bus was premium fare. I think it ended in 2001, certain passes were also not accepted on night buses.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 14, 2022 23:35:19 GMT
The bus fare probably would have gone up by 5p so would be about £1.70 or £1.75 now. 5p in 5 years? doubt it to be honest... must be more than that.
Found the below to show how fares have been slow to increase
2004: 70p 2005: £1 2006: £1 2007: £1 2008: 90p 2009: £1 2010: £1.20 2011: £1.30 2012 (original): £1.40 2012 (revised): £1.35 2013: £1.40 2014: £1.45 2015: £1.50 2016: £1.50
I would say the fares above which are Oyster, only really gained major traction around 2008. Even in 2004, not much people were using it even though it was cheaper, a lot of people were still paying cash fares which were higher.
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Post by COBO on Jun 23, 2022 20:20:18 GMT
Will there be a date on when the N145 will be officially be withdrawn?
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Post by WH241 on Jun 23, 2022 21:06:57 GMT
Will there be a date on when the N145 will be officially be withdrawn? As the N145 never restarted it’s already withdrawn! It never ran after the first lockdown. There won’t be an official end date.
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Post by COBO on Aug 7, 2022 23:50:11 GMT
Will there be a date on when the N145 will be officially be withdrawn? As the N145 never restarted it’s already withdrawn! It never ran after the first lockdown. There won’t be an official end date. Oh but why does London Bus net are still showing that the 145 has a weekend night service even though it's been offically been withdrawn.
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Post by WH241 on Aug 8, 2022 9:00:14 GMT
As the N145 never restarted it’s already withdrawn! It never ran after the first lockdown. There won’t be an official end date. Oh but why does London Bus net are still showing that the 145 has a weekend night service even though it's been offically been withdrawn. Because the site is run by a single person who may not have had the time to update it? Not sure what point you making? the service has been officially withdrawn by TfL its almost like you implying the service might start again!
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