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Post by stuckonthe486 on Mar 28, 2023 14:57:23 GMT
I think this is a highly unrealistic idea and I question whether it will happen and if it does how much will it cost? Not only that but there will have to be cuts elsewhere for this to go ahead. Also, where on earth is the Royal Docks? My knowledge of East London beyond Beckton isn't great but I'm assuming it's either there or around Silvertown. Silvertown, North Woolwich and Beckton, basically. The southern bit of the borough of Newham that faces the Thames around Royal Victoria Dock, Royal Albert Dock and George V Dock. |
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Post by wirewiper on Mar 28, 2023 14:58:58 GMT
I think this is a highly unrealistic idea and I question whether it will happen and if it does how much will it cost? Not only that but there will have to be cuts elsewhere for this to go ahead. Also, where on earth is the Royal Docks? My knowledge of East London beyond Beckton isn't great but I'm assuming it's either there or around Silvertown. At the moment most of the routes are conceptual, and are subject to consultation. Of all the routes, perhaps the route to and around the "Royal Docks" has the most potential to be influenced by this process, especially given the shape-shifting nature of this part of London. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Mar 28, 2023 14:59:46 GMT
According to the RouteONE article about the launch, the Abellio vehicle was adorned with the new livery and logo for "launch purposes" so is unlikely to retain the vinyls. On the finished product I would expect the branding to be route-specific, it may also feature connections with other Superloop routes. The routes are to be consulted on between now and 2024, although the branding could appear on the existing routes sooner than that. www.route-one.net/news/tfl-unveils-superloop-express-bus-plans-for-london/No doubt the Son of a Bus Driver is going to advertise this to the London Assembly as added resources in lieu of ULEZ, but it's very likely no new route will be borne before August of this year. I believe TfL have commissioned this project some time ago, but the consultation date precludes the revised start date for ULEZ so it's further evidence that the Mayor is unduly rushing the ULEZ expansion. Let us never forget that this project only makes up for just over 1% of the cuts over the last few years. |
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Post by lundnah on Mar 28, 2023 15:00:56 GMT
I don't like the routes they've picked and it's not the brand I would have come up with and the new livery is not how I'd have done it and I would have linked different places and the route numbers are wrong and I don't think they're proper express buses and I would have done all this differently and I don't think it'll work but I'm not going to go on about it.
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Post by wirewiper on Mar 28, 2023 15:03:17 GMT
I don't like the routes they've picked and it's not the brand I would have come up with and the new livery is not how I'd have done it and I would have linked different places and the route numbers are wrong and I don't think they're proper express buses and I would have done all this differently and I don't think it'll work but I'm not going to go on about it. You are Diamond Geezer and I claim my £5! |
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Post by greenboy on Mar 28, 2023 15:08:25 GMT
I think the Bromley to Bexley link should be diverted to Abbey Wood, or possibly Thamesmead. Bromley has no links to the Elizabeth line I'm not sure Bromley needs a link to the Elizabeth Line other than the existing Thameslink service to Farringdon. |
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Post by greenboy on Mar 28, 2023 15:15:23 GMT
The problem I have with the mockup is it just doesn't look like an Express bus, just looks like an ordinary slow stopping service bus. Perhaps it is my age, but I expect those big diagonal go faster stripes that were popular in 1980s and 1990s, or perhaps it was Express branded vehicles always had double headlights to show they mean business. If a short stubby double deck bus, instead of a sleek 13m (ish) single deck is what TfL think that an express bus concept needs to attract passengers then I clearly don't understand the concept properly. I thought the concept was to attract people from their cars by offering an alternative, not just another low spec urban bus. I must be wrong, just appears to be an ordinary route with a bit of branding. My thoughts exactly and if they want something that's going to get people out of their cars and onto buses they need to be looking at something like this... www.transdevbus.co.uk/_/witchway-and-cityzap-sky-class-luxury-amazing-value |
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Post by lonmark on Mar 28, 2023 15:23:15 GMT
I hope the Superloop route for Bromley to Croydon isn't the 119, but something more like the old 726. As long as it didn't go via Shortland station low bridge!! |
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Post by southlondon413 on Mar 28, 2023 15:25:12 GMT
The problem I have with the mockup is it just doesn't look like an Express bus, just looks like an ordinary slow stopping service bus. Perhaps it is my age, but I expect those big diagonal go faster stripes that were popular in 1980s and 1990s, or perhaps it was Express branded vehicles always had double headlights to show they mean business. If a short stubby double deck bus, instead of a sleek 13m (ish) single deck is what TfL think that an express bus concept needs to attract passengers then I clearly don't understand the concept properly. I thought the concept was to attract people from their cars by offering an alternative, not just another low spec urban bus. I must be wrong, just appears to be an ordinary route with a bit of branding. My thoughts exactly and if they want something that's going to get people out of their cars and onto buses they need to be looking at something like this... www.transdevbus.co.uk/_/witchway-and-cityzap-sky-class-luxury-amazing-valueApple and orange comparison. A colourful livery isn’t going to get anyone out of their cars in London when what matters most to Londoners is speed, ease of access to services, reliability and cost. In fact cost is a pretty big one for most passengers as seen with the £2 fare and some of the huge increases in patronage. The services you cite are ones people are taking over long distance so of course comfort matters, most people in London aren’t travelling long distances so having reliable, fast services are more important. |
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Post by stuckonthe486 on Mar 28, 2023 15:32:32 GMT
The problem I have with the mockup is it just doesn't look like an Express bus, just looks like an ordinary slow stopping service bus. Perhaps it is my age, but I expect those big diagonal go faster stripes that were popular in 1980s and 1990s, or perhaps it was Express branded vehicles always had double headlights to show they mean business. If a short stubby double deck bus, instead of a sleek 13m (ish) single deck is what TfL think that an express bus concept needs to attract passengers then I clearly don't understand the concept properly. I thought the concept was to attract people from their cars by offering an alternative, not just another low spec urban bus. I must be wrong, just appears to be an ordinary route with a bit of branding. My thoughts exactly and if they want something that's going to get people out of their cars and onto buses they need to be looking at something like this... www.transdevbus.co.uk/_/witchway-and-cityzap-sky-class-luxury-amazing-valueI was up in Manchester recently and they looked fantastic. |
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Post by greenboy on Mar 28, 2023 15:34:06 GMT
Apple and orange comparison. A colourful livery isn’t going to get anyone out of their cars in London when what matters most to Londoners is speed, ease of access to services, reliability and cost. In fact cost is a pretty big one for most passengers as seen with the £2 fare and some of the huge increases in patronage. The services you cite are ones people are taking over long distance so of course comfort matters, most people in London aren’t travelling long distances so having reliable, fast services are more important. Surely people will be travelling considerable distances on these services if they ever come to fruition? If you really think a bog standard bus with cans and bottles rolling around and rubbish strewn everywhere is going to persuade anyone to leave their car at home then good luck with that! |
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Post by enviroPB on Mar 28, 2023 15:38:30 GMT
No doubt the Son of a Bus Driver is going to advertise this to the London Assembly as added resources in lieu of ULEZ, but it's very likely no new route will be borne before August of this year. I believe TfL have commissioned this project some time ago, but the consultation date precludes the revised start date for ULEZ so it's further evidence that the Mayor is unduly rushing the ULEZ expansion. Let us never forget that this project only makes up for just over 1% of the cuts over the last few years. Let's also not forget it's an election year next year and Sadiq has already falsely claimed Crossrail changes over London as added bus resources for ULEZ. He's likely to claim the Superloop routes under the same umbrella, whilst brushing off the reality that most if not all of these improvements will not come in time by August 29th. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Mar 28, 2023 15:57:00 GMT
Apple and orange comparison. A colourful livery isn’t going to get anyone out of their cars in London when what matters most to Londoners is speed, ease of access to services, reliability and cost. In fact cost is a pretty big one for most passengers as seen with the £2 fare and some of the huge increases in patronage. The services you cite are ones people are taking over long distance so of course comfort matters, most people in London aren’t travelling long distances so having reliable, fast services are more important. Surely people will be travelling considerable distances on these services if they ever come to fruition? If you really think a bog standard bus with cans and bottles rolling around and rubbish strewn everywhere is going to persuade anyone to leave their car at home then good luck with that! Cans and bottles on buses are just a part of life, regardless of where you are in the country. It happens. Exactly like I said having good, reliable and fast services will attract people. It’s why people continue to use the x26 from New Malden to Sutton, despite the 213, it’s why they continue to use the x140 from Hayes to Harrow, despite the 140. But it doesn’t mean they are travelling really far on them. The x26 attracts longer distance journeys because it connects to Heathrow, but most of the journeys I’ve seen are ones covered by slower routes. People in London want to move at a faster pace and are often living far closer than their countryside counterparts to their local shops. Having a branded bus running past their homes in smaller towns and villages reminds them the bus is there to use but in London there is almost always a bus available. We need TfL to promote the bus as fast, reliable and above all else safe but TfL seem intent on making the bus the poor mans alternative. Branding won’t change that opinion within TfL. |
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Post by WH241 on Mar 28, 2023 16:18:26 GMT
Apple and orange comparison. A colourful livery isn’t going to get anyone out of their cars in London when what matters most to Londoners is speed, ease of access to services, reliability and cost. In fact cost is a pretty big one for most passengers as seen with the £2 fare and some of the huge increases in patronage. The services you cite are ones people are taking over long distance so of course comfort matters, most people in London aren’t travelling long distances so having reliable, fast services are more important. Surely people will be travelling considerable distances on these services if they ever come to fruition? If you really think a bog standard bus with cans and bottles rolling around and rubbish strewn everywhere is going to persuade anyone to leave their car at home then good luck with that! Before today’s announcement you have often said about high spec buses similar to outside London! What makes you think these buses won’t have rubbish on them? The same passengers will use these buses as other non express ones. |
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Post by exbox on Mar 28, 2023 16:47:04 GMT
Not sure that these routes would be suitable for EVs, unless there is some facility for opportunity charging at each end. Range is going to be an issue - for now EVs are best suited for routes that travel at walking pace around Zone 1.
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