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Post by jm on Mar 28, 2023 17:15:11 GMT
I guess one of the big challenges will be sourcing enough drivers to introduce these routes as it’s already a challenge to get staff (are the current express routes popular with drivers and therefore easier to fill the rotas?)
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Post by Volvo on Mar 28, 2023 17:19:40 GMT
Honestly with all the roadworks/temp lights, LTNs closing side roads and 20mph limits actually forcing everyone to go much slower. Your better off getting tube/train where you can.
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Post by JUNIOR26 on Mar 28, 2023 17:55:43 GMT
Sadiq has confirmed the number of the Harrow to North Finchley portion as X183 Makes sense, as the proposed Harrow to North Finchley route goes via Northwick Park and Hendon, which I knew it was going to go via the 183 route. I wouldn't be surprised if the 183 gets a slight reduction in frequency. There's was talk a while ago about a potential express route going along the 183 route. I guess the North Finchley to Walthamstow one would be provisionally numbered 'X34'. |
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Post by ServerKing on Mar 28, 2023 18:31:01 GMT
Sadiq has confirmed the number of the Harrow to North Finchley portion as X183 Makes sense, as the proposed Harrow to North Finchley route goes via Northwick Park and Hendon, which I knew it was going to go via the 183 route. I wouldn't be surprised if the 183 gets a slight reduction in frequency. There's was talk a while ago about a potential express route going along the 183 route. I guess the North Finchley to Walthamstow one would be provisionally numbered 'X34'. Wouldn't be much of an express route, sitting on roads narrowed by Khan himself during covid, cheek by jowl with the regular 34, 184, 232... then those joyous cycle lanes and 20 zones in Walthamstow  As for the 183, the traffic in Hendon is brutal when joining the A5 Edgware Road from the train station as you go over the M1. Road speeds are too low, many more are working from home or on 3 or 4 day working weeks, so in the daytimes, the buses will carry oxygen after rush hour and school run is done. There seems to be a lot of money to waste (such as naming Overground lines) now the begging bowl has been put away  |
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 28, 2023 18:36:53 GMT
I was looking back at the last tender result and the X26 was £2,747.000 a year. That would be nearly half the £6m budget TFL have set out this year.
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Post by northlondon83 on Mar 28, 2023 19:03:39 GMT
I think the Bromley to Bexley link should be diverted to Abbey Wood, or possibly Thamesmead. Bromley has no links to the Elizabeth line But Bromley already has fantastic fast trains to Victoria from Bromley South. If you're thinking of Canary Wharf, a longer X239 would fix that issue. Still, links from Abbey Wood and Thamesmead across southern parts of Greenwich and Bexley like Eltham and Sidcup are non existent. Not sure how much demand there would be from Bromley to Abbey Wood but I think an Elizabeth line link would be good. An X239 extension to Bromley would be better to connect to the Super Loop |
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Post by cardinal on Mar 28, 2023 19:06:33 GMT
I was looking back at the last tender result and the X26 was £2,747.000 a year. That would be nearly half the £6m budget TFL have set out this year. x15 min and you’re looking closer to £5m Not getting carried away with any of this yet. For all that is known currently , how do we know standard routes like the 34, 183 & 269 will be cut in frequency as a consequence. That must be very likely. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Mar 28, 2023 19:10:41 GMT
An express services stops at key places picking them up and taking across long distances without stopping. A limited stop service just skips out a few stops in between. The 607 is a classic limited stop. If it was express it wouldn’t stop every few stops. It would go Shepherds Bush, no stop until Acton High Street, then nothing until Ealing, nothing until Southall and then nothing until Uxbridge. But it stops at quite a few additional stops in between. The X140 would be better by getting rid of a few stops, all fine between Harrow and Yeading but is there really a need for 3 stops from White Hart roundabout to the Grapes? I get that at White Hart Roundabout different buses call at each stop but surely it would save time to get rid of the least busy stop? |
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Post by VMH2537 on Mar 28, 2023 19:13:11 GMT
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 28, 2023 19:13:48 GMT
I was looking back at the last tender result and the X26 was £2,747.000 a year. That would be nearly half the £6m budget TFL have set out this year. x15 min and you’re looking closer to £5m Not getting carried away with any of this yet. For all that is known currently , how do we know standard routes like the 34, 183 & 269 will be cut in frequency as a consequence. That must be very likely. I was thinking the 6m budget would be for the addional cost to the X26. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Mar 28, 2023 19:20:32 GMT
I was looking back at the last tender result and the X26 was £2,747.000 a year. That would be nearly half the £6m budget TFL have set out this year. x15 min and you’re looking closer to £5m Not getting carried away with any of this yet. For all that is known currently , how do we know standard routes like the 34, 183 & 269 will be cut in frequency as a consequence. That must be very likely. That is where TfL will loose the confidence. Not everyone has access to the fast routs. I specifically avoid the x26 when going to work as it stops on Grove Road at the top of the high street in Sutton and I live at the bottom. Even then the 213 stops far closer to my office than the x26 does. |
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Post by uakari on Mar 28, 2023 19:21:03 GMT
I was looking back at the last tender result and the X26 was £2,747.000 a year. That would be nearly half the £6m budget TFL have set out this year. x15 min and you’re looking closer to £5m Not getting carried away with any of this yet. For all that is known currently , how do we know standard routes like the 34, 183 & 269 will be cut in frequency as a consequence. That must be very likely. Well obviously they'll cut the 34 because it's the last high frequency route left in Barnet and we just know TfL can't have that. I mean it doesn't even go to North Finchley so what even is the point of it? 😏 |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Mar 28, 2023 19:29:38 GMT
Makes sense, as the proposed Harrow to North Finchley route goes via Northwick Park and Hendon, which I knew it was going to go via the 183 route. I wouldn't be surprised if the 183 gets a slight reduction in frequency. There's was talk a while ago about a potential express route going along the 183 route. I guess the North Finchley to Walthamstow one would be provisionally numbered 'X34'. Wouldn't be much of an express route, sitting on roads narrowed by Khan himself during covid, cheek by jowl with the regular 34, 184, 232... then those joyous cycle lanes and 20 zones in Walthamstow As for the 183, the traffic in Hendon is brutal when joining the A5 Edgware Road from the train station as you go over the M1. Road speeds are too low, many more are working from home or on 3 or 4 day working weeks, so in the daytimes, the buses will carry oxygen after rush hour and school run is done. There seems to be a lot of money to waste (such as naming Overground lines) now the begging bowl has been put away To be honest, saying this as a bus enthusiast, any attempt of improving orbital public transport should have been done using rail transport as an alternative instead of bus travel. Far less prone to traffic which renders orbital routes impossible to implement or annoying to use, |
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Post by vjaska on Mar 28, 2023 19:44:08 GMT
Wouldn't be much of an express route, sitting on roads narrowed by Khan himself during covid, cheek by jowl with the regular 34, 184, 232... then those joyous cycle lanes and 20 zones in Walthamstow As for the 183, the traffic in Hendon is brutal when joining the A5 Edgware Road from the train station as you go over the M1. Road speeds are too low, many more are working from home or on 3 or 4 day working weeks, so in the daytimes, the buses will carry oxygen after rush hour and school run is done. There seems to be a lot of money to waste (such as naming Overground lines) now the begging bowl has been put away To be honest, saying this as a bus enthusiast, any attempt of improving orbital public transport should have been done using rail transport as an alternative instead of bus travel. Far less prone to traffic which renders orbital routes impossible to implement or annoying to use, Implementing an orbital express cost is easier and less costly than even planning a new orbital rail line. The idea of the bus being used isn’t the issue - it’s the implementation that’s key such as robust priority and the consequences to existing routes on the orbital corridor |
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Post by rift on Mar 28, 2023 20:40:50 GMT
An express version of the 161 was consulted in the 2017 EL proposals, but never came to fruition. I do think they should also have feeder services that connect Inner London areas on the edge (Woolwich, Streatham, Putney) to link to these routes. |
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