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Post by route53 on May 8, 2022 13:30:58 GMT
I wonder if the 401 could be extended to Bluewater?
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Post by ADH45258 on May 8, 2022 14:05:41 GMT
I wonder if the 401 could be extended to Bluewater? If a Thamesmead to Bluewater link is needed, I think by far the easiest option would be to extend the 428 from Erith to Thamesmead. |
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Post by vjaska on May 8, 2022 14:19:22 GMT
I wonder if the 401 could be extended to Bluewater? I think certain individuals on here would have a fit given those against the Dartford consultation we’re happy for the 492 to be pulled back |
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Post by route53 on May 8, 2022 15:45:58 GMT
Fair enough about the 401, plus the fact that while I double demand for Bluewater won’t be falling anytime soon, Stratford Westfields will be reached with one change at Liverpool Street (soon to be Whitechapel once the Eastern branch is connected) within minutes
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Post by rift on May 8, 2022 20:31:20 GMT
Fair enough about the 401, plus the fact that while I double demand for Bluewater won’t be falling anytime soon, Stratford Westfields will be reached with one change at Liverpool Street (soon to be Whitechapel once the Eastern branch is connected) within minutes People can already take a bus to Woolwich then get the DLR to Westfield. I don’t think Crossrail will have any influence on this specific journey. |
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Post by ronnie on May 8, 2022 21:18:55 GMT
Fair enough about the 401, plus the fact that while I double demand for Bluewater won’t be falling anytime soon, Stratford Westfields will be reached with one change at Liverpool Street (soon to be Whitechapel once the Eastern branch is connected) within minutes Why go to Westfield when you can get the same shops at bluewater? I have now virtually abandoned Stratford despite it being much closer as I can zip down the A2 in 20-30 min to bluewater with free parking and far less crowds. Parking at Westfield is ludicrously expensive |
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Post by bus12451 on May 8, 2022 21:29:59 GMT
I am confused why it’s not already happened, the 428 should be extended to Thamesmead to provide links towards Dartford/Bluewater. I’d also consider rerouting the service to head via Amazon LCY3 not only because it is a large employer but another big warehouse is being built next door (IKEA) the route would then continue to Bluewater. New river crossing at Belvedere/Thamesmead Overground extension to Thamesmead (I’d go further towards Erith/Slade Green as lots of industry land is set to be released there) New bus service towards Eltham/Sidcup River pier for boat services. This would be great in a ideal world. A 428 extension to Thamesmead sounds reasonable. I wonder if the 428 could have been extended via the 99 and New Road to serve as a link between Upper Belvedere and Abbey Wood Station instead of the 469? I'd be careful about sending it through Amazon though as Amazon staff already get free travel across the Fastrack network and there are staff-only services running to/from Thamesmead during mornings and evenings. Out of curiosity, how would you reroute the 428 via Amazon? I'd expect the 96 and 492 to be rammed following that change as for those heading to Bluewater I think they'd be less likely to use the 428. |
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Post by route53 on May 8, 2022 22:10:41 GMT
Fair enough about the 401, plus the fact that while I double demand for Bluewater won’t be falling anytime soon, Stratford Westfields will be reached with one change at Liverpool Street (soon to be Whitechapel once the Eastern branch is connected) within minutes Why go to Westfield when you can get the same shops at bluewater? I have now virtually abandoned Stratford despite it being much closer as I can zip down the A2 in 20-30 min to bluewater with free parking and far less crowds. Parking at Westfield is ludicrously expensive Some people prefer Westfields and want the option just like you prefer Bluewater |
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Post by route53 on May 8, 2022 22:11:12 GMT
Fair enough about the 401, plus the fact that while I double demand for Bluewater won’t be falling anytime soon, Stratford Westfields will be reached with one change at Liverpool Street (soon to be Whitechapel once the Eastern branch is connected) within minutes People can already take a bus to Woolwich then get the DLR to Westfield. I don’t think Crossrail will have any influence on this specific journey. They won’t have to go all the way to Woolwich when Abbey Wood is nearer. |
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Post by londoscraper on May 9, 2022 9:16:03 GMT
It would be awkward to re-route the 428 towards Amazon LCY3 as the way it comes into Dartford would mean going back round and up towards Temple Hill. I think it might be logistic to send a TFL service in that direction as the area is now becoming a big employer for certain parts of SE London nearby and with Dartford station being so far a regular TFL service could be the answer.
I believe the staff bus services from Thamesmead/Woolwich have to be paid for.
Now that the 428 is completely double decked it makes sense to extend it to Thamesmead and I agree on sending it via the new re-routed 469.
If we aren’t going to get big infrastructure projects any time soon let’s think logically on how to connect major parts of our suburbs.
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Post by vjaska on May 9, 2022 9:57:21 GMT
It would be awkward to re-route the 428 towards Amazon LCY3 as the way it comes into Dartford would mean going back round and up towards Temple Hill. I think it might be logistic to send a TFL service in that direction as the area is now becoming a big employer for certain parts of SE London nearby and with Dartford station being so far a regular TFL service could be the answer. I believe the staff bus services from Thamesmead/Woolwich have to be paid for. Now that the 428 is completely double decked it makes sense to extend it to Thamesmead and I agree on sending it via the new re-routed 469. If we aren’t going to get big infrastructure projects any time soon let’s think logically on how to connect major parts of our suburbs. Wouldn’t that overbus that section having both the 428 & 469 running along there especially New Road which already has more than enough routes even before the 469 being re-routed that way. The only way I could see an extended 428 work is if the 469 is withdrawn which isn’t feasible in that scenario or the 428 runs via the new 180 routing from Erith & then runs via the 401 |
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Post by twobellstogo on May 9, 2022 11:09:06 GMT
It would be awkward to re-route the 428 towards Amazon LCY3 as the way it comes into Dartford would mean going back round and up towards Temple Hill. I think it might be logistic to send a TFL service in that direction as the area is now becoming a big employer for certain parts of SE London nearby and with Dartford station being so far a regular TFL service could be the answer. I believe the staff bus services from Thamesmead/Woolwich have to be paid for. Now that the 428 is completely double decked it makes sense to extend it to Thamesmead and I agree on sending it via the new re-routed 469. If we aren’t going to get big infrastructure projects any time soon let’s think logically on how to connect major parts of our suburbs. Wouldn’t that overbus that section having both the 428 & 469 running along there especially New Road which already has more than enough routes even before the 469 being re-routed that way. The only way I could see an extended 428 work is if the 469 is withdrawn which isn’t feasible in that scenario or the 428 runs via the new 180 routing from Erith & then runs via the 401 Yes - let’s not have even more buses down New Road. Hard to believe it wasn’t really all that long ago that New Road had no bus running along it! I agree : if the 428 was extended to Thamesmead via the 469 you’d have to do something else with the 469, or curtail it at Abbey Wood, and I’m not certain there’s the space to do that. |
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Post by vjaska on May 9, 2022 11:33:16 GMT
Wouldn’t that overbus that section having both the 428 & 469 running along there especially New Road which already has more than enough routes even before the 469 being re-routed that way. The only way I could see an extended 428 work is if the 469 is withdrawn which isn’t feasible in that scenario or the 428 runs via the new 180 routing from Erith & then runs via the 401 Yes - let’s not have even more buses down New Road. Hard to believe it wasn’t really all that long ago that New Road had no bus running along it! I agree : if the 428 was extended to Thamesmead via the 469 you’d have to do something else with the 469, or curtail it at Abbey Wood, and I’m not certain there’s the space to do that. Indeed, only option I could see with regards to the 469 is to merge it with the B11 at Yarnton Way so in effect a Bexleyheath to Queen Elizabeth Hospital but that’s not for me to decide |
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Post by bus12451 on May 9, 2022 12:38:47 GMT
It would be awkward to re-route the 428 towards Amazon LCY3 as the way it comes into Dartford would mean going back round and up towards Temple Hill. I think it might be logistic to send a TFL service in that direction as the area is now becoming a big employer for certain parts of SE London nearby and with Dartford station being so far a regular TFL service could be the answer. I believe the staff bus services from Thamesmead/Woolwich have to be paid for. Now that the 428 is completely double decked it makes sense to extend it to Thamesmead and I agree on sending it via the new re-routed 469. If we aren’t going to get big infrastructure projects any time soon let’s think logically on how to connect major parts of our suburbs. Yes that particular area at the former Littlebrook Power Station is seeing vast redevelopment with another warehouse approved recently next to Amazon and IKEA but unfortunately I can't see TfL being interested in providing a service there especially with KCC being unlikely to fund it. Rerouting the 428 via Amazon will at least double the journey time between Dartford and Bluewater so you'll end up with more people changing onto the 96 and 492 at Dartford. |
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Post by bus12451 on May 9, 2022 13:29:42 GMT
It would be awkward to re-route the 428 towards Amazon LCY3 as the way it comes into Dartford would mean going back round and up towards Temple Hill. I think it might be logistic to send a TFL service in that direction as the area is now becoming a big employer for certain parts of SE London nearby and with Dartford station being so far a regular TFL service could be the answer. I believe the staff bus services from Thamesmead/Woolwich have to be paid for. Now that the 428 is completely double decked it makes sense to extend it to Thamesmead and I agree on sending it via the new re-routed 469. If we aren’t going to get big infrastructure projects any time soon let’s think logically on how to connect major parts of our suburbs. Wouldn’t that overbus that section having both the 428 & 469 running along there especially New Road which already has more than enough routes even before the 469 being re-routed that way. The only way I could see an extended 428 work is if the 469 is withdrawn which isn’t feasible in that scenario or the 428 runs via the new 180 routing from Erith & then runs via the 401 I think londoscraper meant to say that the 428 could run via the 99 and New Road with the 469 remaining as it currently is along Abbey Road and Gilbert Road. |
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