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Post by route53 on May 24, 2022 9:47:38 GMT
So opens London’s newest railway and it’ll be serving nearby Abbey Wood. Spoken to quite a few colleagues who live around Abbey Wood and Woolwich and they’re really looking forward to the new line! I really think that Crossrail will be a game changer around that part of SE London, I don’t think people have anticipate the potential shift from the Jubilee line to Crossrail, also from SE and Thameslink (the latter being redundant on arrival) I’m planning on riding the new line next week. Thameslink most certainly isn't redundant, a full service has now resumed and it will continue to provide a useful service. If there is any reduction as a result of Crossrail opening it should be on Southeastern to Cannon Street. Crossrail is faster to Farringdon and serves more areas where people want to go than Thameslink does and to those east of Woolwich/Abbey Wood, Thameslink is most certainly redundant as it’s slow, it’ll only really be useful from Charlton inwards but Crossrail is the game changer this neck of the woods has been waiting for, Thameslink is back to 2tph (after only four years) but Crossrail will be 12tph |
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Post by twobellstogo on May 24, 2022 9:55:58 GMT
Thameslink most certainly isn't redundant, a full service has now resumed and it will continue to provide a useful service. If there is any reduction as a result of Crossrail opening it should be on Southeastern to Cannon Street. Crossrail is faster to Farringdon and serves more areas where people want to go than Thameslink does and to those east of Woolwich/Abbey Wood, Thameslink is most certainly redundant as it’s slow, it’ll only really be useful from Charlton inwards but Crossrail is the game changer this neck of the woods has been waiting for, Thameslink is back to 2tph (after only four years) but Crossrail will be 12tph I think if I was heading north I’d use the Lizzie line, but would still use Thameslink/SE if heading south from London Bridge, changing there. |
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Post by enviroPB on May 24, 2022 9:59:42 GMT
So opens London’s newest railway and it’ll be serving nearby Abbey Wood. Spoken to quite a few colleagues who live around Abbey Wood and Woolwich and they’re really looking forward to the new line! I really think that Crossrail will be a game changer around that part of SE London, I don’t think people have anticipate the potential shift from the Jubilee line to Crossrail, also from SE and Thameslink (the latter being redundant on arrival) I’m planning on riding the new line next week. Thameslink most certainly isn't redundant, a full service has now resumed and it will continue to provide a useful service. If there is any reduction as a result of Crossrail opening it should be on Southeastern to Cannon Street. Indeed, Thameslink is very useful for crossing the Thames around south east London and slices through central London northwards quite nicely. Personally I have used it from north west London (predominantly Mill Hill and West Hampstead) to get to Greenwich and Woolwich with ease. It's probably best not to mention reliability comparing Southeastern and Thameslink, not a fair fight really!   |
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Post by overgroundcommuter on May 26, 2022 23:20:17 GMT
Thameslink most certainly isn't redundant, a full service has now resumed and it will continue to provide a useful service. If there is any reduction as a result of Crossrail opening it should be on Southeastern to Cannon Street. Crossrail is faster to Farringdon and serves more areas where people want to go than Thameslink does and to those east of Woolwich/Abbey Wood, Thameslink is most certainly redundant as it’s slow, it’ll only really be useful from Charlton inwards but Crossrail is the game changer this neck of the woods has been waiting for, Thameslink is back to 2tph (after only four years) but Crossrail will be 12tph It's an absolute game changer. I watched a TikTok from an Abbey Wood resident who now leaves at 8.30 and is at Tottenham Court Road with time to spare before starting work at 9am. Unthinkable when they had to do Abbey Wood to Charing Cross and then the Northern Line. Until the Autumn, Abbey Wood will still be a frustrating place to reach on Sundays with only snail paced Southeastern and Thameslink services serving the station or the even slower RRBs. |
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Post by cl54 on May 27, 2022 4:46:23 GMT
So opens London’s newest railway and it’ll be serving nearby Abbey Wood. Spoken to quite a few colleagues who live around Abbey Wood and Woolwich and they’re really looking forward to the new line! I really think that Crossrail will be a game changer around that part of SE London, I don’t think people have anticipate the potential shift from the Jubilee line to Crossrail, also from SE and Thameslink (the latter being redundant on arrival) I’m planning on riding the new line next week. Thameslink most certainly isn't redundant, a full service has now resumed and it will continue to provide a useful service. If there is any reduction as a result of Crossrail opening it should be on Southeastern to Cannon Street. The Cannon Street trains run in a loop via the Greenwich line and back to Cannon Street via the Bexleyheath line (and in the opposite direction). Reduction therefore difficult. |
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Post by route53 on May 27, 2022 7:22:03 GMT
Crossrail is faster to Farringdon and serves more areas where people want to go than Thameslink does and to those east of Woolwich/Abbey Wood, Thameslink is most certainly redundant as it’s slow, it’ll only really be useful from Charlton inwards but Crossrail is the game changer this neck of the woods has been waiting for, Thameslink is back to 2tph (after only four years) but Crossrail will be 12tph It's an absolute game changer. I watched a TikTok from an Abbey Wood resident who now leaves at 8.30 and is at Tottenham Court Road with time to spare before starting work at 9am. Unthinkable when they had to do Abbey Wood to Charing Cross and then the Northern Line. Until the Autumn, Abbey Wood will still be a frustrating place to reach on Sundays with only snail paced Southeastern and Thameslink services serving the station or the even slower RRBs. It’s rather amazing, a colleague of mine used to commute to Rotherhithe from Plumstead Common via the 53 to Woolwich, 472 to North Greenwich, Jubilee to Canada Water then Overground to Rotherhithe, she would often be stuck in traffic on the 472 then she would have to let two or three Jubilee trains go before she could get on. Now she gets the 53 to Woolwich, Elizabeth line to Whitechapel then Overground to Rotherhithe and she’s arriving at work half an hour early with ease and no stress. I myself decided to use the Jubilee line the other day and it was quite pleasant, it’ll be even better once the Stratford branch is connected to the core I think there will be a time table recast on the NK Line at some point, the fact that the sheer number of people who have switched to Crossrail alone is just cause for it, will be interesting to see how busy Thameslink will be going forward compared to Crossrail, also how busy the Charing Cross services will be since that was the most popular and busiest service on the line, I think that will still be popular since Lewisham is a major destination and interchange to other parts of South London and to Victoria, plus it gives us a connection to SW London via Waterloo East. I’d suggest that someone should do a race from Abbey Wood to Farringdon via Thameslink and Crossrail but it really wouldn’t be a fair contest as the Thameslink will still be meandering through Greenwich by the time the opponent has reached Farringdon 😂 |
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Post by route53 on Jun 17, 2022 7:38:49 GMT
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Post by Busboy105 on Jun 17, 2022 9:15:30 GMT
Is it even needed when some passengers can just get a bus to Abbey Wood to catch the Elizabeth line? |
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Post by route53 on Jun 17, 2022 9:18:49 GMT
Is it even needed when some passengers can just get a bus to Abbey Wood to catch the Elizabeth line? Thamesmead is a big area, not all of it borders Abbey Wood, and the DLR will connect Thamesmead to places not served by the Lizzie line, even with the Lizzie Line transportation in SE London still needs improvement. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Jun 17, 2022 11:21:24 GMT
Is it even needed when some passengers can just get a bus to Abbey Wood to catch the Elizabeth line? Thamesmead is a big area, not all of it borders Abbey Wood, and the DLR will connect Thamesmead to places not served by the Lizzie line, even with the Lizzie Line transportation in SE London still needs improvement. However, as Thamesmead is a big area, a new station still wouldn't serve everywhere, and might need at least 3 DLR stops to cover. A DLR extension would also be quite expensive coming off the Beckton branch, requiring a new tunnel under the river. An alternative might be to utilise the existing Woolwich line, either branching off just south of the Thames, or with trains reversing at Woolwich Arsenal. In this direction, the Ridgeway footpath could also form part of the alignment. Yes not all of Thamesmead directly borders Abbey Wood, but the rest instead has a quick bus connection to either Belvedere or Plumstead Station, or Woolwich if using the Elizabeth Line. In my opinion, I think the best solution in the short term for areas without a train service such as Thamesmead, is to make changes to the ticketing system. Bus fares should be better integrated with other transport modes, as is the case in many European cities. Effectively something similar to the current hopper fare, giving bus passengers a fixed period of time in which to tap in at a train station (and vice versa), with some kind of add-on bus fare charged instead of the standard £1.55. Might also encourage more passengers to travel by train/tube who are not in walking distance of a station. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2022 7:50:12 GMT
Thamesmead is a big area, not all of it borders Abbey Wood, and the DLR will connect Thamesmead to places not served by the Lizzie line, even with the Lizzie Line transportation in SE London still needs improvement. However, as Thamesmead is a big area, a new station still wouldn't serve everywhere, and might need at least 3 DLR stops to cover. A DLR extension would also be quite expensive coming off the Beckton branch, requiring a new tunnel under the river. An alternative might be to utilise the existing Woolwich line, either branching off just south of the Thames, or with trains reversing at Woolwich Arsenal. In this direction, the Ridgeway footpath could also form part of the alignment. Yes not all of Thamesmead directly borders Abbey Wood, but the rest instead has a quick bus connection to either Belvedere or Plumstead Station, or Woolwich if using the Elizabeth Line. In my opinion, I think the best solution in the short term for areas without a train service such as Thamesmead, is to make changes to the ticketing system. Bus fares should be better integrated with other transport modes, as is the case in many European cities. Effectively something similar to the current hopper fare, giving bus passengers a fixed period of time in which to tap in at a train station (and vice versa), with some kind of add-on bus fare charged instead of the standard £1.55. Might also encourage more passengers to travel by train/tube who are not in walking distance of a station. What would changing the ticketing system do? Thamesmead has needed a rail link for years particularly to connect to the north of the River Thames. Not everyone wants to go to Abbey Wood and board the Lizzie Line. |
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Post by route53 on Jun 18, 2022 8:04:23 GMT
Thamesmead is a big area, not all of it borders Abbey Wood, and the DLR will connect Thamesmead to places not served by the Lizzie line, even with the Lizzie Line transportation in SE London still needs improvement. However, as Thamesmead is a big area, a new station still wouldn't serve everywhere, and might need at least 3 DLR stops to cover. A DLR extension would also be quite expensive coming off the Beckton branch, requiring a new tunnel under the river. An alternative might be to utilise the existing Woolwich line, either branching off just south of the Thames, or with trains reversing at Woolwich Arsenal. In this direction, the Ridgeway footpath could also form part of the alignment. Yes not all of Thamesmead directly borders Abbey Wood, but the rest instead has a quick bus connection to either Belvedere or Plumstead Station, or Woolwich if using the Elizabeth Line. In my opinion, I think the best solution in the short term for areas without a train service such as Thamesmead, is to make changes to the ticketing system. Bus fares should be better integrated with other transport modes, as is the case in many European cities. Effectively something similar to the current hopper fare, giving bus passengers a fixed period of time in which to tap in at a train station (and vice versa), with some kind of add-on bus fare charged instead of the standard £1.55. Might also encourage more passengers to travel by train/tube who are not in walking distance of a station. DLR to Thamesmead will bring about a much needed Thames Crossing this end of London to take the pressures off other cross river routes and a crossing that’s not a road either. I get that Thamesmead residents can get a bus to neighbouring areas with stations but just because the Elizabeth line is now open that should mean transportation improvements in SE London should stop there either. Thamesmead has been promised a rail link of some sort since the 1960s and is in need of one. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Jun 18, 2022 11:13:39 GMT
However, as Thamesmead is a big area, a new station still wouldn't serve everywhere, and might need at least 3 DLR stops to cover. A DLR extension would also be quite expensive coming off the Beckton branch, requiring a new tunnel under the river. An alternative might be to utilise the existing Woolwich line, either branching off just south of the Thames, or with trains reversing at Woolwich Arsenal. In this direction, the Ridgeway footpath could also form part of the alignment. Yes not all of Thamesmead directly borders Abbey Wood, but the rest instead has a quick bus connection to either Belvedere or Plumstead Station, or Woolwich if using the Elizabeth Line. In my opinion, I think the best solution in the short term for areas without a train service such as Thamesmead, is to make changes to the ticketing system. Bus fares should be better integrated with other transport modes, as is the case in many European cities. Effectively something similar to the current hopper fare, giving bus passengers a fixed period of time in which to tap in at a train station (and vice versa), with some kind of add-on bus fare charged instead of the standard £1.55. Might also encourage more passengers to travel by train/tube who are not in walking distance of a station. What would changing the ticketing system do? Thamesmead has needed a rail link for years particularly to connect to the north of the River Thames. Not everyone wants to go to Abbey Wood and board the Lizzie Line. In the longer term, Thamesmead could definitely benefit from a rail link - but my ticketing suggestion is a shorter term measure, that would also benefit any area in London that are not in walking distance of a train station (most of which have no chance of gaining a station in the future). It means that passengers who have to take a short bus journey to access a rail service will pay less money, bringing the combined fare closer to just a rail journey alone. Using Thamesmead as an example, someone commuting from there into central London currently has to pay £3.10 more everyday than someone who can walk to Abbey Wood Station. Many European cities currently have a system where a single ticket gives a passenger unlimited travel on any mode within a fixed amount of time. Given that not everywhere in London can be accessed by train, I think it would be beneficial to integrate buses into the fares system. This would mean that travelling by bus alone would remain unchanged, but would become cheaper when combined with a rail journey. |
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Post by vjaska on Jun 18, 2022 11:39:18 GMT
What would changing the ticketing system do? Thamesmead has needed a rail link for years particularly to connect to the north of the River Thames. Not everyone wants to go to Abbey Wood and board the Lizzie Line. In the longer term, Thamesmead could definitely benefit from a rail link - but my ticketing suggestion is a shorter term measure, that would also benefit any area in London that are not in walking distance of a train station (most of which have no chance of gaining a station in the future). It means that passengers who have to take a short bus journey to access a rail service will pay less money, bringing the combined fare closer to just a rail journey alone. Using Thamesmead as an example, someone commuting from there into central London currently has to pay £3.10 more everyday than someone who can walk to Abbey Wood Station. Many European cities currently have a system where a single ticket gives a passenger unlimited travel on any mode within a fixed amount of time. Given that not everywhere in London can be accessed by train, I think it would be beneficial to integrate buses into the fares system. This would mean that travelling by bus alone would remain unchanged, but would become cheaper when combined with a rail journey. Your calculations are out of date as the bus fares are £1.65 so it would be £3.20 extra unless I’m wrong? |
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