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Post by danorak on May 9, 2022 14:27:27 GMT
There was a plan to extend the 428 westwards some time ago that didn't go ahead but I can't remember the exact details without ploughing through old TLBs. I think it was via the 99 to Upper Belvedere, the 401 to Lower Belvedere and then up Crabtree Manorway. May not have the exact details right but it was something like that.
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Post by beaver14uk on May 9, 2022 21:56:41 GMT
Yes I think terminating at upper Belvedere or running via Heron Hill to Belvedere Industrial Estate. quote author=" danorak" source="/post/693082/thread" timestamp="1652106447"]There was a plan to extend the 428 westwards some time ago that didn't go ahead but I can't remember the exact details without ploughing through old TLBs. I think it was via the 99 to Upper Belvedere, the 401 to Lower Belvedere and then up Crabtree Manorway. May not have the exact details right but it was something like that. [/quote] |
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Post by stuckonthe486 on May 9, 2022 23:03:32 GMT
I wonder if the 401 could be extended to Bluewater? That’s not a bad call. Not so much as a shopping trip (though it will be) but as one to allow people in Thamesmead to access jobs in Bluewater. Run on from Bexleyheath to Bexley Village and on to Dartford Road, Old Bexley Lane, and fast down the A2. (Guess you could do something else that involves Darent Valley Hospital too.) Think we’re imagining a world where public transport in the outer suburbs and country fringes is taken seriously, sadly. |
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Post by greenboy on May 10, 2022 7:13:19 GMT
I wonder if the 401 could be extended to Bluewater? That’s not a bad call. Not so much as a shopping trip (though it will be) but as one to allow people in Thamesmead to access jobs in Bluewater. Run on from Bexleyheath to Bexley Village and on to Dartford Road, Old Bexley Lane, and fast down the A2. (Guess you could do something else that involves Darent Valley Hospital too.) Think we’re imagining a world where public transport in the outer suburbs and country fringes is taken seriously, sadly. I hate to put a dampener on things but this 401 to Bluewater idea really is pie in the sky especially at a time when other routes to Bluewater have been cut. Thamesmead to Bluewater can be done with a simple change of bus at Bexleyheath or at Erith using the 229/428 or it's about 20 minutes on the train from Abbey Wood to Greenhithe. I would suggest bus links from Thamesmead to places like Lewisham, Eltham and Welling are more important. |
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Post by vjaska on May 10, 2022 10:26:55 GMT
That’s not a bad call. Not so much as a shopping trip (though it will be) but as one to allow people in Thamesmead to access jobs in Bluewater. Run on from Bexleyheath to Bexley Village and on to Dartford Road, Old Bexley Lane, and fast down the A2. (Guess you could do something else that involves Darent Valley Hospital too.) Think we’re imagining a world where public transport in the outer suburbs and country fringes is taken seriously, sadly. I hate to put a dampener on things but this 401 to Bluewater idea really is pie in the sky especially at a time when other routes to Bluewater have been cut. Thamesmead to Bluewater can be done with a simple change of bus at Bexleyheath or at Erith using the 229/428 or it's about 20 minutes on the train from Abbey Wood to Greenhithe. I would suggest bus links from Thamesmead to places like Lewisham, Eltham and Welling are more important. Why would people from Thamesmead want to go to Lewisham when Woolwich practically offers the same things it does? |
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Post by rift on May 10, 2022 10:46:36 GMT
I hate to put a dampener on things but this 401 to Bluewater idea really is pie in the sky especially at a time when other routes to Bluewater have been cut. Thamesmead to Bluewater can be done with a simple change of bus at Bexleyheath or at Erith using the 229/428 or it's about 20 minutes on the train from Abbey Wood to Greenhithe. I would suggest bus links from Thamesmead to places like Lewisham, Eltham and Welling are more important. Why would people from Thamesmead want to go to Lewisham when Woolwich practically offers the same things it does? I wouldn’t say so, the retail offering in Woolwich is pretty poor when compared to Lewisham, Bexleyheath and Bromley |
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Post by vjaska on May 10, 2022 11:08:42 GMT
Why would people from Thamesmead want to go to Lewisham when Woolwich practically offers the same things it does? I wouldn’t say so, the retail offering in Woolwich is pretty poor when compared to Lewisham, Bexleyheath and Bromley Even then, they already have links to Bexleyheath so again, why would a link to Lewisham from Thamesmead be required when the links they do seem to want either be to Central London or to Bluewater judging by the discussion in this thread |
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Post by cl54 on May 10, 2022 11:46:23 GMT
I hate to put a dampener on things but this 401 to Bluewater idea really is pie in the sky especially at a time when other routes to Bluewater have been cut. Thamesmead to Bluewater can be done with a simple change of bus at Bexleyheath or at Erith using the 229/428 or it's about 20 minutes on the train from Abbey Wood to Greenhithe. I would suggest bus links from Thamesmead to places like Lewisham, Eltham and Welling are more important. Why would people from Thamesmead want to go to Lewisham when Woolwich practically offers the same things it does? Shopping in Woolwich is dying by the week. Large recently closed New Look store has become a Job Centre. |
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Post by route53 on May 10, 2022 12:15:52 GMT
I hate to put a dampener on things but this 401 to Bluewater idea really is pie in the sky especially at a time when other routes to Bluewater have been cut. Thamesmead to Bluewater can be done with a simple change of bus at Bexleyheath or at Erith using the 229/428 or it's about 20 minutes on the train from Abbey Wood to Greenhithe. I would suggest bus links from Thamesmead to places like Lewisham, Eltham and Welling are more important. Why would people from Thamesmead want to go to Lewisham when Woolwich practically offers the same things it does? Woolwich has been dying since the mid 2000s, it needs a massive regeneration which CrossRail will hopefully bring, all they have done to Woolwich is neglected the old town centre and made the former Royal Arsenal development a little urban riverside yuppie village on the other side of the busy road with trendy pubs and a M&S. Lewisham on the other hand is growing and is being visibly regenerated plus the fact that they’re redeveloping the shopping centre. |
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Post by route53 on May 10, 2022 12:18:32 GMT
That’s not a bad call. Not so much as a shopping trip (though it will be) but as one to allow people in Thamesmead to access jobs in Bluewater. Run on from Bexleyheath to Bexley Village and on to Dartford Road, Old Bexley Lane, and fast down the A2. (Guess you could do something else that involves Darent Valley Hospital too.) Think we’re imagining a world where public transport in the outer suburbs and country fringes is taken seriously, sadly. I hate to put a dampener on things but this 401 to Bluewater idea really is pie in the sky especially at a time when other routes to Bluewater have been cut. Thamesmead to Bluewater can be done with a simple change of bus at Bexleyheath or at Erith using the 229/428 or it's about 20 minutes on the train from Abbey Wood to Greenhithe. I would suggest bus links from Thamesmead to places like Lewisham, Eltham and Welling are more important. Well sadly in 4 days time Thamesmead’s only link (albeit from Thamesmead East) to Lewisham is being severed thanks the the restructuring of the 180 into a 472A, they can however still change at Woolwich but it’s not the same or as convenient |
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Post by danorak on May 10, 2022 12:31:57 GMT
Why would people from Thamesmead want to go to Lewisham when Woolwich practically offers the same things it does? Shopping in Woolwich is dying by the week. Large recently closed New Look store has become a Job Centre. I only shop in Woolwich because it's usually the quickest place to get to. As a shopping destination, it's pretty hopeless now. A tiny Sainsburys, average Lidl, huge Tescos with few open checkouts, long queues on the self-checkouts and perpetually failing escalators. Wilkos & Marks etc have gone. The shopping park in Charlton is my preferred destination but it's dreadful for confirmed pedestrians like me and as TfL refuse to run a direct bus, I end up going into Woolwich and out again to avoid crossing too many roads with heavy shopping. If I lived in Thamesmead, I'd head for Bexleyheath. |
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Post by stuckonthe486 on May 10, 2022 13:10:20 GMT
That’s not a bad call. Not so much as a shopping trip (though it will be) but as one to allow people in Thamesmead to access jobs in Bluewater. Run on from Bexleyheath to Bexley Village and on to Dartford Road, Old Bexley Lane, and fast down the A2. (Guess you could do something else that involves Darent Valley Hospital too.) Think we’re imagining a world where public transport in the outer suburbs and country fringes is taken seriously, sadly. I hate to put a dampener on things but this 401 to Bluewater idea really is pie in the sky especially at a time when other routes to Bluewater have been cut. Thamesmead to Bluewater can be done with a simple change of bus at Bexleyheath or at Erith using the 229/428 or it's about 20 minutes on the train from Abbey Wood to Greenhithe. I would suggest bus links from Thamesmead to places like Lewisham, Eltham and Welling are more important. I think you may have missed the second paragraph about "imagining a world where public transport in the outer suburbs is taken seriously" - we're clearly not in that world at the moment, but we are in a thread where we're tossing around ideas. And if you want Thamesmead to be less car dependent, then links to places like Bluewater have to be more credible and attractive than "change in Bexleyheath and make your way through the scrum to get on a 96" or "get a bus to Abbey Wood, get on an infrequent train and then get another bus which works on a different fare system to the first bus". |
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Post by greenboy on May 10, 2022 13:58:03 GMT
I hate to put a dampener on things but this 401 to Bluewater idea really is pie in the sky especially at a time when other routes to Bluewater have been cut. Thamesmead to Bluewater can be done with a simple change of bus at Bexleyheath or at Erith using the 229/428 or it's about 20 minutes on the train from Abbey Wood to Greenhithe. I would suggest bus links from Thamesmead to places like Lewisham, Eltham and Welling are more important. I think you may have missed the second paragraph about "imagining a world where public transport in the outer suburbs is taken seriously" - we're clearly not in that world at the moment, but we are in a thread where we're tossing around ideas. And if you want Thamesmead to be less car dependent, then links to places like Bluewater have to be more credible and attractive than "change in Bexleyheath and make your way through the scrum to get on a 96" or "get a bus to Abbey Wood, get on an infrequent train and then get another bus which works on a different fare system to the first bus". There are currently around 10bph between Bexleyheath and Bluewater so it might be a case of being careful what you wish for but if there is a magic money tree available for Thamesmead I think there might be other priorities. |
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Post by greenboy on May 10, 2022 15:29:36 GMT
I hate to put a dampener on things but this 401 to Bluewater idea really is pie in the sky especially at a time when other routes to Bluewater have been cut. Thamesmead to Bluewater can be done with a simple change of bus at Bexleyheath or at Erith using the 229/428 or it's about 20 minutes on the train from Abbey Wood to Greenhithe. I would suggest bus links from Thamesmead to places like Lewisham, Eltham and Welling are more important. Well sadly in 4 days time Thamesmead’s only link (albeit from Thamesmead East) to Lewisham is being severed thanks the the restructuring of the 180 into a 472A, they can however still change at Woolwich but it’s not the same or as convenient Maybe extend the 122 to Thamesmead replacing the 301 which could just be Thamesmead to Bexleyheath? Could curtail the 122 at Brockley Rise and extend the 172 to Crystal Palace? |
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Post by vjaska on May 10, 2022 15:43:54 GMT
Well sadly in 4 days time Thamesmead’s only link (albeit from Thamesmead East) to Lewisham is being severed thanks the the restructuring of the 180 into a 472A, they can however still change at Woolwich but it’s not the same or as convenient Maybe extend the 122 to Thamesmead replacing the 301 which could just be Thamesmead to Bexleyheath? Could curtail the 122 at Brockley Rise and extend the 172 to Crystal Palace? The 301 has been welcomed by locals from all accounts I've read or heard and your proposing to cut some of it back in favour of meddling with a long established route like the 122? |
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