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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 6, 2022 7:18:17 GMT
At that point the 78 may aswell be retained , the extra buses required for the 381 and 388 would not be far of the 78s current PVR All three routes aren't even with the same operator how would that work?? Also that Putney review looking obsolete now; unless if this was it all along This probably was it. It may have just been canteen gossip what we heard last year but it initially involved the 14 remaining between AF and Piccadilly Circus with the 74 and 430 dropping to every 12 mins and the 430 extended to Marble Arch. Since then either ususgae and finances got worse and the 414 was found to be an alternative to replace both the 14 and 74 (I'm assuming it will go up to every 6 mins). Possibly it was realised that the 49 wasn't needed to Clapham Junction and the 19 diversion was needed via Sydney Street and it was felt that could maintain the S Kensington to West end link so the 14 could be withdrawn. Unless there will be more smaller consultations I'm surprised nothing didn't go in Barnes. I had invisaged the 33/419/485/533 removing either the 209 or 378.
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Post by greenboy on Jun 6, 2022 7:31:07 GMT
All three routes aren't even with the same operator how would that work?? Also that Putney review looking obsolete now; unless if this was it all along This probably was it. It may have just been canteen gossip what we heard last year but it initially involved the 14 remaining between AF and Piccadilly Circus with the 74 and 430 dropping to every 12 mins and the 430 extended to Marble Arch. Since then either ususgae and finances got worse and the 414 was found to be an alternative to replace both the 14 and 74 (I'm assuming it will go up to every 6 mins). Possibly it was realised that the 49 wasn't needed to Clapham Junction and the 19 diversion was needed via Sydney Street and it was felt that could maintain the S Kensington to West end link so the 14 could be withdrawn. Unless there will be more smaller consultations I'm surprised nothing didn't go in Barnes. I had invisaged the 33/419/485/533 removing either the 209 or 378. Maybe I'm a bit cynical but I can't help thinking that another factor in the 49 change was removing a Shepherds Bush to Clapham Junction link to push more people onto LO although there is still the 295 via a different route.
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Post by wirewiper on Jun 6, 2022 7:37:19 GMT
This probably was it. It may have just been canteen gossip what we heard last year but it initially involved the 14 remaining between AF and Piccadilly Circus with the 74 and 430 dropping to every 12 mins and the 430 extended to Marble Arch. Since then either ususgae and finances got worse and the 414 was found to be an alternative to replace both the 14 and 74 (I'm assuming it will go up to every 6 mins). Possibly it was realised that the 49 wasn't needed to Clapham Junction and the 19 diversion was needed via Sydney Street and it was felt that could maintain the S Kensington to West end link so the 14 could be withdrawn. Unless there will be more smaller consultations I'm surprised nothing didn't go in Barnes. I had invisaged the 33/419/485/533 removing either the 209 or 378. Maybe I'm a bit cynical but I can't help thinking that another factor in the 49 change was removing the Shepherds Bush to Clapham Junction link to push more people onto LO. Which is ironic because when they suspend LO between Shepherd's Bush and Clapham Junction for engineering work what do they do? Tell people to use local bus services!
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 6, 2022 7:37:20 GMT
This probably was it. It may have just been canteen gossip what we heard last year but it initially involved the 14 remaining between AF and Piccadilly Circus with the 74 and 430 dropping to every 12 mins and the 430 extended to Marble Arch. Since then either ususgae and finances got worse and the 414 was found to be an alternative to replace both the 14 and 74 (I'm assuming it will go up to every 6 mins). Possibly it was realised that the 49 wasn't needed to Clapham Junction and the 19 diversion was needed via Sydney Street and it was felt that could maintain the S Kensington to West end link so the 14 could be withdrawn. Unless there will be more smaller consultations I'm surprised nothing didn't go in Barnes. I had invisaged the 33/419/485/533 removing either the 209 or 378. Maybe I'm a bit cynical but I can't help thinking that another factor in the 49 change was removing the Shepherds Bush to Clapham Junction link to push more people onto LO. Quite possibly though may also have been motivated by the 27 maintaing the Kensington to Clapham Junction link (with 295 and 345 still linking the area to Shepherds Bush and S Kensington).
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Post by rif153 on Jun 6, 2022 8:12:49 GMT
This probably was it. It may have just been canteen gossip what we heard last year but it initially involved the 14 remaining between AF and Piccadilly Circus with the 74 and 430 dropping to every 12 mins and the 430 extended to Marble Arch. Since then either ususgae and finances got worse and the 414 was found to be an alternative to replace both the 14 and 74 (I'm assuming it will go up to every 6 mins). Possibly it was realised that the 49 wasn't needed to Clapham Junction and the 19 diversion was needed via Sydney Street and it was felt that could maintain the S Kensington to West end link so the 14 could be withdrawn. Unless there will be more smaller consultations I'm surprised nothing didn't go in Barnes. I had invisaged the 33/419/485/533 removing either the 209 or 378. Maybe I'm a bit cynical but I can't help thinking that another factor in the 49 change was removing a Shepherds Bush to Clapham Junction link to push more people onto LO although there is still the 295 via a different route. I know there are freight paths on the WLL but I think we could really do with an enhanced service to ease overcrowding especially since the Southern services have been hacked back to a very sparse service. Of course TFL don’t have the money for such improvements.
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Post by TB123 on Jun 6, 2022 8:28:48 GMT
All three routes aren't even with the same operator how would that work?? Also that Putney review looking obsolete now; unless if this was it all along This probably was it. It may have just been canteen gossip what we heard last year but it initially involved the 14 remaining between AF and Piccadilly Circus with the 74 and 430 dropping to every 12 mins and the 430 extended to Marble Arch. Since then either ususgae and finances got worse and the 414 was found to be an alternative to replace both the 14 and 74 (I'm assuming it will go up to every 6 mins). Possibly it was realised that the 49 wasn't needed to Clapham Junction and the 19 diversion was needed via Sydney Street and it was felt that could maintain the S Kensington to West end link so the 14 could be withdrawn. Unless there will be more smaller consultations I'm surprised nothing didn't go in Barnes. I had invisaged the 33/419/485/533 removing either the 209 or 378. The 414 will be increased from 7.5bph to 8bph with some extra peak journeys.
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Post by SILENCED on Jun 6, 2022 8:59:05 GMT
This probably was it. It may have just been canteen gossip what we heard last year but it initially involved the 14 remaining between AF and Piccadilly Circus with the 74 and 430 dropping to every 12 mins and the 430 extended to Marble Arch. Since then either ususgae and finances got worse and the 414 was found to be an alternative to replace both the 14 and 74 (I'm assuming it will go up to every 6 mins). Possibly it was realised that the 49 wasn't needed to Clapham Junction and the 19 diversion was needed via Sydney Street and it was felt that could maintain the S Kensington to West end link so the 14 could be withdrawn. Unless there will be more smaller consultations I'm surprised nothing didn't go in Barnes. I had invisaged the 33/419/485/533 removing either the 209 or 378. The 414 will be increased from 7.5bph to 8bph with some extra peak journeys. So goes from a bus every 8m to a bus every 7m 30s Know there are a lot of everything must be DD fans on here, so straight choice, no variations, would you rather the additional capacity was provided :- A) An additional DD every 2 hours B) A 10.2m E200 every hour Hyperthetical, so things like cost and staffing to be ignored.
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Post by TB123 on Jun 6, 2022 9:02:39 GMT
The 414 will be increased from 7.5bph to 8bph with some extra peak journeys. So goes from a bus every 8m to a bus every 7m 30s Indeed and the core Brompton road goes from a bus every 4 minutes pre 2022 to bus every 7m30s post 2023
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 6, 2022 9:02:47 GMT
The 414 will be increased from 7.5bph to 8bph with some extra peak journeys. So goes from a bus every 8m to a bus every 7m 30s Currently combined every 5 mins on the 14/414.
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Post by COBO on Jun 8, 2022 16:56:56 GMT
Will the N72 also be discontinued?
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Jun 8, 2022 17:03:34 GMT
Will the N72 also be discontinued? Yes
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2022 15:35:46 GMT
Any news on any frequency changes to -
9,148,N414 ?
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 12, 2022 16:45:22 GMT
Any news on any frequency changes to - 9,148,N414 ? I'd be surprised if the 9 and 148 didn't go back to every 8 mins if the 12 and 23 are changed/withdrawn. Then again there 148 joins the 453 to Westminster and the 9 and 328 between HS Ken and Hammersmith so may be considered just enough on their current freqs.
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Post by YX10FFN on Jun 12, 2022 17:03:44 GMT
Any news on any frequency changes to - 9,148,N414 ? I'd be surprised if the 9 and 148 didn't go back to every 8 mins if the 12 and 23 are changed/withdrawn. Then again there 148 joins the 453 to Westminster and the 9 and 328 between HS Ken and Hammersmith so may be considered just enough on their current freqs. Without the 23's support I would hope the 9 would get at least some kind of increase if not back to their freqs pre-covid. Especially on weekends the 9 can often leave Hyde Park Corner close to full whilst the 23 would pick up the stragglers.
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Post by rif153 on Jun 12, 2022 19:00:43 GMT
I'd be surprised if the 9 and 148 didn't go back to every 8 mins if the 12 and 23 are changed/withdrawn. Then again there 148 joins the 453 to Westminster and the 9 and 328 between HS Ken and Hammersmith so may be considered just enough on their current freqs. Without the 23's support I would hope the 9 would get at least some kind of increase if not back to their freqs pre-covid. Especially on weekends the 9 can often leave Hyde Park Corner close to full whilst the 23 would pick up the stragglers. The 9 can get quite busy after events at the Albert Hall. There'll also be even more pressure on the 52 on the HSK-Hyde Park Corner section.
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