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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2022 18:25:12 GMT
The tram network should have spread out all over South London by now, I’d definitely sort that out. In what way? I'd agree in terms of extension to Palace & Sutton but beyond that, I can't see how it could be done without bringing the road network to a grinding halt. Beckenham Junction and Birkbeck to Crystal Palace for sure. Then from Beckenham Junction I’d definitely build a line to Bromley North via Shortlands somehow. From there I’d take over the Bromley North to Grove Park line definitely. |
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Post by LondonExplorer316 on Aug 12, 2022 19:00:56 GMT
Will be updated laterwith more details:
New zone system: 1-9
Bus system based on these zones, with Z1 being 1-99 and Z9 being 800-899 (potentially a spreadsheet showing these routes with people here contributing with their own ideas seeing as I'm npt too familiar with every area in the whole city)
Prefix routes only being in one area
Tramways across the metropolis
Commercial companies in the Home counties merged into existing companies in London (GAL commercial being merged into mainstream GAL for example)
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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 12, 2022 20:52:39 GMT
Will be updated laterwith more details: New zone system: 1-9 Bus system based on these zones, with Z1 being 1-99 and Z9 being 800-899 (potentially a spreadsheet showing these routes with people here contributing with their own ideas seeing as I'm npt too familiar with every area in the whole city) Prefix routes only being in one area Tramways across the metropolis Commercial companies in the Home counties merged into existing companies in London (GAL commercial being merged into mainstream GAL for example) The zone system might not work because of trunk routes like the 34, 53, 37 etc because they would go too far out of their 'zones' |
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Post by twobellstogo on Aug 12, 2022 20:55:16 GMT
Will be updated laterwith more details: New zone system: 1-9 Bus system based on these zones, with Z1 being 1-99 and Z9 being 800-899 (potentially a spreadsheet showing these routes with people here contributing with their own ideas seeing as I'm npt too familiar with every area in the whole city) Prefix routes only being in one area Tramways across the metropolis Commercial companies in the Home counties merged into existing companies in London (GAL commercial being merged into mainstream GAL for example) That’s all a bit like a wheel reinvention, but the one that worries me here is the last one - are you a) suggesting that (eg) Metrobus be forced to merge with Go Ahead London? b) also suggesting that independents are shotgun married with London bus companies (eg Falcon forced into a merger with RATP London)? |
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Post by abellion on Aug 12, 2022 21:01:10 GMT
Will be updated laterwith more details: New zone system: 1-9 Bus system based on these zones, with Z1 being 1-99 and Z9 being 800-899 (potentially a spreadsheet showing these routes with people here contributing with their own ideas seeing as I'm npt too familiar with every area in the whole city) Prefix routes only being in one area Tramways across the metropolis Commercial companies in the Home counties merged into existing companies in London (GAL commercial being merged into mainstream GAL for example) A zonal numbering scheme would be a massive inconvenience for everyone. I can't understand why so many people suggest renumberings, 99%* of the time it's just a bunch of effort for no reason, and plenty of route numbers are established. London passengers can barely handle a curtailment, let alone every single route changing number! * 99% mainly because of the recent consultations - one instance being the 414, 430 and 507 which ought to be numbered 14, 74 and 11. |
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Post by LondonExplorer316 on Aug 13, 2022 8:39:59 GMT
Will be updated laterwith more details: New zone system: 1-9 Bus system based on these zones, with Z1 being 1-99 and Z9 being 800-899 (potentially a spreadsheet showing these routes with people here contributing with their own ideas seeing as I'm npt too familiar with every area in the whole city) Prefix routes only being in one area Tramways across the metropolis Commercial companies in the Home counties merged into existing companies in London (GAL commercial being merged into mainstream GAL for example) That’s all a bit like a wheel reinvention, but the one that worries me here is the last one - are you a) suggesting that (eg) Metrobus be forced to merge with Go Ahead London? b) also suggesting that independents are shotgun married with London bus companies (eg Falcon forced into a merger with RATP London)? In reference to: a) Yes it would be merged into GAL in that case b) I am considering allowing independents remain that wa |
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 13, 2022 8:52:04 GMT
That’s all a bit like a wheel reinvention, but the one that worries me here is the last one - are you a) suggesting that (eg) Metrobus be forced to merge with Go Ahead London? b) also suggesting that independents are shotgun married with London bus companies (eg Falcon forced into a merger with RATP London)? In reference to: a) Yes it would be merged into GAL in that case b) I am considering allowing independents remain that wa What advantage/benefit would you envisage this makes? |
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Post by twobellstogo on Aug 13, 2022 8:56:37 GMT
That’s all a bit like a wheel reinvention, but the one that worries me here is the last one - are you a) suggesting that (eg) Metrobus be forced to merge with Go Ahead London? b) also suggesting that independents are shotgun married with London bus companies (eg Falcon forced into a merger with RATP London)? In reference to: a) Yes it would be merged into GAL in that case b) I am considering allowing independents remain that way a) I don’t see that would be of any advantage. b) I am pretty sure that the staff/owners of Falcon/White bus/Go-Coach etc will be distinctly upset and angry if you forced them into mergers with larger companies. Being taken over with their blessing is one thing, your proposal to force them into mergers is, sorry to say, a pretty bad, not to say heartless idea, and I think you need to reconsider that one. |
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Post by rif153 on Aug 13, 2022 10:49:46 GMT
Will be updated laterwith more details: New zone system: 1-9 Bus system based on these zones, with Z1 being 1-99 and Z9 being 800-899 (potentially a spreadsheet showing these routes with people here contributing with their own ideas seeing as I'm npt too familiar with every area in the whole city) Prefix routes only being in one area Tramways across the metropolis Commercial companies in the Home counties merged into existing companies in London (GAL commercial being merged into mainstream GAL for example) Like others I don't see the point of zonal renumbering, it would be expensive and confusing especially when many routes cross several zones. Despite this, I'm intrigued to know if you envisage the zones system affecting bus routes in any others ways, like in terms of fares or is it purely cosmetic? |
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