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Post by greenboy on Mar 21, 2023 7:41:23 GMT
I have said to you before, do NOT trust the polls, they are no longer a true credible reflection of how people vote. Their collection methods are outdated and seems to have assume that everyone is online and uses a smartphone and always 'downloads the app' It really makes me laugh when people like yourself really think the champagne socialist Labour party is the party of the poor when they are a million miles from it. The only person who was going to attempt to put the party on a course they were years ago was Corbyn and look how that went with the public, despite many press etc making out he was the messiah. The biggest mistake the Conservatives made was to go for Liz Truss, Sunak was clearly a much better option but they went for Truss because I feel they think Sunak's face would not stand up well with most voters. If a general election was held now, I still think Labour would win. Not by a huge majority, but still more seats than the Tories, possibly a majority government but possibly a minority one too. But Labour aren't great and I think that Keir Starmer is about as great as Rishi so it's a case of choosing between two poor candidates. As for everyone else, there's no point voting for them because it will lead to a hung parliament. But as the election is nearly 2 years away, things could change in favour of the Tories Exactly that, the next election is probably nearly two years away and a lot could change between now and then and I'd take opinion polls with a pinch of salt.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 21, 2023 10:46:38 GMT
I have said to you before, do NOT trust the polls, they are no longer a true credible reflection of how people vote. Their collection methods are outdated and seems to have assume that everyone is online and uses a smartphone and always 'downloads the app' It really makes me laugh when people like yourself really think the champagne socialist Labour party is the party of the poor when they are a million miles from it. The only person who was going to attempt to put the party on a course they were years ago was Corbyn and look how that went with the public, despite many press etc making out he was the messiah. The biggest mistake the Conservatives made was to go for Liz Truss, Sunak was clearly a much better option but they went for Truss because I feel they think Sunak's face would not stand up well with most voters. If a general election was held now, I still think Labour would win. Not by a huge majority, but still more seats than the Tories, possibly a majority government but possibly a minority one too. But Labour aren't great and I think that Keir Starmer is about as great as Rishi so it's a case of choosing between two poor candidates. As for everyone else, there's no point voting for them because it will lead to a hung parliament. But as the election is nearly 2 years away, things could change in favour of the Tories I expect Labour to win the next election, but do not think it would be anything the win that these so called pollsters are predicting. The same way they failed to see Conservatives making a record landslide victory at the last election.
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Post by wirewiper on Apr 21, 2023 9:18:01 GMT
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Post by enviroPB on Apr 21, 2023 10:02:40 GMT
Five months for the Prime Minister to wait on a report, only for his Deputy to walk out the door instead of being sacked. The optics of sleaze and scandal by this current Conservative government does not look great for Rishi Sunak. Essentially picking up where Boris left off. Oh well, at least the childcare bill is mostly beneficial for Britons and there's no conflict of interest with his non-dom wife conducting business in the childcare sector....
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Post by SILENCED on Apr 21, 2023 10:11:42 GMT
Five months for the Prime Minister to wait on a report, only for his Deputy to walk out the door instead of being sacked. The optics of sleaze and scandal by this current Conservative government does not look great for Rishi Sunak. Essentially picking up where Boris left off. Oh well, at least the childcare bill is mostly beneficial for Britons and there's no conflict of interest with his non-dom wife conducting business in the childcare sector.... Could be worse, we could have had an air force jet drop a bomb on one of our own cities. Go Putin! đ
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Post by northlondon83 on May 6, 2023 9:17:30 GMT
Thursday was a bad day for the Tories, losing over 1000 councillors, showing how much discontent there is in the country! Some party members blame the leadership (or lack of) of Boris Johnson and Liz Truss. It's far too early to say but are the Tories heading for defeat at the end of the year?
In my opinion they should bring the election forward to May 2024, I don't see many people wanting another winter election
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Post by ronnie on May 6, 2023 9:38:03 GMT
Thursday was a bad day for the Tories, losing over 1000 councillors, showing how much discontent there is in the country! Some party members blame the leadership (or lack of) of Boris Johnson and Liz Truss. It's far too early to say but are the Tories heading for defeat at the end of the year? In my opinion they should bring the election forward to May 2024, I don't see many people wanting another winter election On the contrary the longer time they have for elections the better the chances of them saving face There was a lot of discontent against BoJo towards the end and Truss added fuel to the fire. Think Sunak managed to stem the decline (can only get better from here!) - if either BoJo / Truss had been in power now, the losses would have been higher
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Post by northlondon83 on May 6, 2023 9:43:13 GMT
Thursday was a bad day for the Tories, losing over 1000 councillors, showing how much discontent there is in the country! Some party members blame the leadership (or lack of) of Boris Johnson and Liz Truss. It's far too early to say but are the Tories heading for defeat at the end of the year? In my opinion they should bring the election forward to May 2024, I don't see many people wanting another winter election On the contrary the longer time they have for elections the better the chances of them saving face There was a lot of discontent against BoJo towards the end and Truss added fuel to the fire. Think Sunak managed to stem the decline (can only get better from here!) - if either BoJo / Truss had been in power now, the losses would have been higher Yeah I agree, appointing Truss was a big mistake, she clearly showed she had no clue how to run a country. I agree Rishi Sunak is the best out of the last three, BoJo did some good things for the country like the vaccine rollout, however even without the coronavirus there would still have been some issue that would have brought him down. I'd say that Rishi is probably the best PM in the post Brexit era (Theresa May onwards). Theresa May was just weak and the country was stuck in instability with Brexit not moving forward. Unfortunately there were a lot of MPs from other parties who wanted to block Brexit from happening which didn't really help. Some interesting opinion polls: www.ipsos.com/en-uk/uk-opinion-pollsThe Tories were ahead in the polls until around late 2021, when the partygate scandal emerged, and it just got worse from there. The only thing that perhaps helped Boris stay in power in 2022 was the war in Ukraine, as most people approved Boris's dealing with Russia/Ukraine however his government were still held back by other controversies. Liz Truss had a favourability rating of just 5% by the time she resigned in October 2022 even Boris didn't manage to go that low! Most people are against Brexit... I can't see either government holding a second referendum but if they did Remain would surely win. But these are just opinion polls so are unlikely to be accurate
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Post by vjaska on May 6, 2023 10:09:26 GMT
Thursday was a bad day for the Tories, losing over 1000 councillors, showing how much discontent there is in the country! Some party members blame the leadership (or lack of) of Boris Johnson and Liz Truss. It's far too early to say but are the Tories heading for defeat at the end of the year? In my opinion they should bring the election forward to May 2024, I don't see many people wanting another winter election On the contrary the longer time they have for elections the better the chances of them saving face There was a lot of discontent against BoJo towards the end and Truss added fuel to the fire. Think Sunak managed to stem the decline (can only get better from here!) - if either BoJo / Truss had been in power now, the losses would have been higher Why on earth would you want them to save face? They shown time and again that they are only interested in themselves and their rich mates - give someone else a go now. What decline has Sunak stemmed considering theyâve just lost around 1,000 councillors?
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Post by mkay315 on May 6, 2023 10:24:50 GMT
On the contrary the longer time they have for elections the better the chances of them saving face There was a lot of discontent against BoJo towards the end and Truss added fuel to the fire. Think Sunak managed to stem the decline (can only get better from here!) - if either BoJo / Truss had been in power now, the losses would have been higher Yeah I agree, appointing Truss was a big mistake, she clearly showed she had no clue how to run a country. I agree Rishi Sunak is the best out of the last three, BoJo did some good things for the country like the vaccine rollout, however even without the coronavirus there would still have been some issue that would have brought him down. I'd say that Rishi is probably the best PM in the post Brexit era (Theresa May onwards). Theresa May was just weak and the country was stuck in instability with Brexit not moving forward. Unfortunately there were a lot of MPs from other parties who wanted to block Brexit from happening which didn't really help. Some interesting opinion polls: www.ipsos.com/en-uk/uk-opinion-pollsThe Tories were ahead in the polls until around late 2021, when the partygate scandal emerged, and it just got worse from there. The only thing that perhaps helped Boris stay in power in 2022 was the war in Ukraine, as most people approved Boris's dealing with Russia/Ukraine however his government were still held back by other controversies. Liz Truss had a favourability rating of just 5% by the time she resigned in October 2022  even Boris didn't manage to go that low! Most people are against Brexit... I can't see either government holding a second referendum but if they did Remain would surely win. But these are just opinion polls so are unlikely to be accurate With regards to the referendum that was a big mistake that was caused. I personally voted to remain in the EU because of the pros and cons on weighing up the options. Now some are crying about the mistake they made voting to leave. Erm what did you expect. You can't have your cake and eat it. You can't expect to leave an establishment and still maintain all it's perks.
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Post by ronnie on May 6, 2023 10:34:32 GMT
On the contrary the longer time they have for elections the better the chances of them saving face There was a lot of discontent against BoJo towards the end and Truss added fuel to the fire. Think Sunak managed to stem the decline (can only get better from here!) - if either BoJo / Truss had been in power now, the losses would have been higher Why on earth would you want them to save face? They shown time and again that they are only interested in themselves and their rich mates - give someone else a go now. What decline has Sunak stemmed considering theyâve just lost around 1,000 councillors? Not disagreeing completely but do you really want me to believe that everyone in Labour / Lib Dem / greens is a Saint and and we will have paradise if they get into power? Believe me I have lived in Labour run boroughs for the past decade and I would throw the lot out tomorrow if I could. Donât forget the corruption at tower hamlets, our dear mayor and his policies benefitting the Lycra brigade etc etc. happy to have a detailed debate some day about how âwell-runâ tower hamlets was that even someone like lutfur Rehman managed to beat them!
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Post by vjaska on May 6, 2023 13:57:29 GMT
Why on earth would you want them to save face? They shown time and again that they are only interested in themselves and their rich mates - give someone else a go now. What decline has Sunak stemmed considering theyâve just lost around 1,000 councillors? Not disagreeing completely but do you really want me to believe that everyone in Labour / Lib Dem / greens is a Saint and and we will have paradise if they get into power? Believe me I have lived in Labour run boroughs for the past decade and I would throw the lot out tomorrow if I could. Donât forget the corruption at tower hamlets, our dear mayor and his policies benefitting the Lycra brigade etc etc. happy to have a detailed debate some day about how âwell-runâ tower hamlets was that even someone like lutfur Rehman managed to beat them! Where did I say everyone else in other parties are saints and that weâll have paradise if someone gets in? I was a very vocal critic of Corbyn & his front bench for example despite having previously voted Labour and was delighted when he left with most of his cronies. Iâm not giving leeway to a party who has been in charge for 13 years and pretty much destroyed this country. Iâve lived in the same Labour borough for all my 34 years - theyâre far from perfect and absolutely hopeless on several aspects but I still wouldnât swap them for Tories who my class and age would instantly make me worse off given their policies are for rich and older people.
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Post by northlondon83 on May 12, 2023 8:18:35 GMT
Boris Johnson considered sending foul mouthed rant video to Rishi Sunak when Sunak resigned last July www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/johnson-thought-about-sending-sunak-foul-mouthed-video-over-resignation/ar-AA1b3YLFApparantly Boris was unhappy about the way that Rishi Sunak resigned and thought about calling Sunak a c### All this infighting will cost them the election, it seems like no one agrees with each other! But Boris was a walking disaster especially in his final few months, he definitely tarnished the party's reputation but was also becoming more arrogant towards the end of his reign. Reason I say 'reign' is because he basically acted like he was the King.
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 12, 2023 8:36:31 GMT
Boris Johnson considered sending foul mouthed rant video to Rishi Sunak when Sunak resigned last July www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/johnson-thought-about-sending-sunak-foul-mouthed-video-over-resignation/ar-AA1b3YLFApparantly Boris was unhappy about the way that Rishi Sunak resigned and thought about calling Sunak a c### All this infighting will cost them the election, it seems like no one agrees with each other! But Boris was a walking disaster especially in his final few months, he definitely tarnished the party's reputation but was also becoming more arrogant towards the end of his reign. Reason I say 'reign' is because he basically acted like he was the King. Analysts are saying Starmer has not made enough inroad on the local elections to make a majority and may end up with a coalition; seems like 2010 all over again. They were expecting Conservatives to be doing much worse! They also are unsure if the rise of Lib Dems/Greens in a lot of voting were down to protest votes or otherwise. In fighting is never new and has been going on for years, before most of it was published in newspaper, now most of it is shown online.
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 12, 2023 8:37:49 GMT
Thursday was a bad day for the Tories, losing over 1000 councillors, showing how much discontent there is in the country! Some party members blame the leadership (or lack of) of Boris Johnson and Liz Truss. It's far too early to say but are the Tories heading for defeat at the end of the year? In my opinion they should bring the election forward to May 2024, I don't see many people wanting another winter election Most general elections tends to be around April/May
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